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PtldPlatypus said:
I "dodged your question" because I assumed it was rhetorical, since you and I both already knew the answer thereto.

Also, it's disingenuous to claim that me saying a trade for him would "be worth a shot" equates to me "pining for Isaac". You're better than that.
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Why would you think that? Have we met? I don't know you or your motivations, but knee injuries that linger for a young player are historically not an opportunity to swoop in for value. I pointed this out and you persisted downplaying the severity of his injury.

Even in retrospect, my guessing you might have alternative reasons to pursue him seems reasonable. If he didn't have the knee injury issues, of course everyone including the Magic would be very interested in having him in their mix. I hope he bucks the odds but reality sucks some times.

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PtldPlatypus said:
Rather than snark, why not analyze? Which part of his plan do you find to be unrealistic? And what would make that aspect more plausible?
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You can't just sign-and-trade Nurkic and Ant wherever, Phoenix isn't giving up Ayton for nothing, neither is Brooklyn with their main piece back for Harden. You can't trade a pick with a player that's being sign-and-traded due to timeline/tampering issues. You also get hard-capped if you sign and trade for a player and Dame, Simmons, Ayton, Hart, the #1 pick, dead money, and minimum roster spots would already be past that. Also, Nurkic and Simons contracts wouldn't be able to match $60M+ in incoming salary. Basically, the whole thing doesn't make sense, but things like this have been explained ad nauseum throughout this forum (which is pretty smart CBA wise) that I felt no motivation to go through explaining everything wrong with it.
 
BonesJones said:
You also get hard-capped if you sign and trade for a player
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I thought the hard cap for S/T was only for teams receiving a player in such a manner. You're saying a team sending a S/T player out is also hard-capped? That's (unfortunate) news to me.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I thought the hard cap for S/T was only for teams receiving a player in such a manner. You're saying a team sending a S/T player out is also hard-capped? That's (unfortunate) news to me.
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He's saying "And Dame, Simmons, Ayton, etc would be past that"
You have to put the whole situation into place.
The Blazers best trade asset was CJ and they didn't get as much as many might have liked.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I thought the hard cap for S/T was only for teams receiving a player in such a manner. You're saying a team sending a S/T player out is also hard-capped? That's (unfortunate) news to me.
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No. That's not what I'm saying. DeAndre Ayton is a free agent this summer. Thus, we'd be sign and trading for him.
 
BonesJones said:
No. That's not what I'm saying. DeAndre Ayton is a free agent this summer. Thus, we'd be sign and trading for him.
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Ah, gotcha. Somehow I had forgotten or been unaware of that.

Thanks
 
BonesJones said:
You can't just sign-and-trade Nurkic and Ant wherever,
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?

BonesJones said:
Phoenix isn't giving up Ayton for nothing,
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Who said they were?

BonesJones said:
neither is Brooklyn with their main piece back for Harden.
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Again, nobody said they were. But the "main piece back for Harden" is having back surgery and may have alienated his teammates. If you stubbornly hold on to him for sunk cost reasons, then you're an idiot.

BonesJones said:
You can't trade a pick with a player that's being sign-and-traded due to timeline/tampering issues.
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This is genuine information! Can you give me a link to an explainer? I'd like to understand the "issues". (Of course, it would be irrelevant in the case of Ayton because he can't be signed before the draft, so we'd be trading the player we picked in the draft. And if the pick is traded to get Simmons, well, he's not being signed-and-traded.)

BonesJones said:
You also get hard-capped if you sign and trade for a player
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For one season, yes. But we would be left with practically the entire team we were playing as our actual team (and will be playing as our SL team) as our bench. We can handle one season with a bench of guys like Brandon Williams, Drew Eubanks, Trendon Watford, Keon Johnson et. al.
 
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BonesJones said:
You can't trade a pick with a player that's being sign-and-traded due to timeline/tampering issues.
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I haven't seen that rule before

so, Blazers could not S&T Simons + Bledsoe + Milwaukee pick for a player?
 
wizenheimer said:
I haven't seen that rule before

so, Blazers could not S&T Simons + Bledsoe + Milwaukee pick for a player?
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This is why I said “You have to put the whole situation in place”
Too many variables to make those kind of blanket statements. There are always more ways to make things happen.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
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Do you even read the comments to this shit that you randomly post from reddit like it's a news source? This is the actual article:

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/05/05/report-nets-lost-50m-100m-this-season/

Here's a really important excerpt:

"A $50 million-$100 million range is massive. That alone should raise questions about accuracy.

As should the history of NBA teams claiming losses.

Teams mislead and obfuscate about profit. Accounting tricks can create losses where laypeople would reasonably view a situation as profitable. Owners’ tax breaks generally aren’t counted. Neither are gains in valuations.

Joe Tsai bought the Nets for about $2.35 billion, beginning with buying a partial share in 2017 then taking full control (and purchasing Brooklyn’s arena) in 2019. The Nets are now worth $3.2 billion, according to Forbes."

So, it's not just the Nets that are being included in this very questionable number, it's the Barclays Center as well which is not the same business and makes a ton of money off of other events at the venue, many of which were canceled due to COVID. There is no breakdown of how much the Nets lost if anything and how much the Barclays Center lost. It's even questioned if the two businesses lost anything at all because billionaires get creative with number crunching all of the time to show losses in order to obtain huge tax breaks that by far offset any losses.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
More likely to play another full season--Simmons or MPJ?
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blazerfan11 said:
Or Zion Williamson.
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I would say that it's Simmons by a mile since he's the only one that's actually played more than 61 games in a season in his career and had two full seasons (79 and 81 games). That being said, he only played 57 and 58 games in the two seasons previous to this last one and I don't consider those full seasons. So, the safest bet is none of the above.
 
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Here's a name to throw out there: Duncan Robinson. The Heat threw a large contract at him and now he's been forced out of the rotation by Max Strus. Robinson struggles on defense but is a lights-out three point shooter. A kind of young Kyle Korver if you will. The Heat don't tend to be sentimental and always believe they can develop new players that they find in the bargain bin (Robinson and Strus are both examples) so might be prepared to ditch him for cap room. Meanwhile, we have cap room for a change, need non-guard shooting, but are unlikely to attract free agents...

Downside: that's a lot of money for a one-way player.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Here's a name to throw out there: Duncan Robinson. The Heat threw a large contract at him and now he's been forced out of the rotation by Max Strus. Robinson struggles on defense but is a lights-out three point shooter. A kind of young Kyle Korver if you will. The Heat don't tend to be sentimental and always believe they can develop new players that they find in the bargain bin (Robinson and Strus are both examples) so might be prepared to ditch him for cap room. Meanwhile, we have cap room for a change, need non-guard shooting, but are unlikely to attract free agents...

Downside: that's a lot of money for a one-way player.
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Interesting. I think you are right in that Miami would be interested. And I think you are right in that it is a lot of money for a one-way player.
I was all ready to vote no as I think he would sit here as well in crunch time. But with his 7'.1" wingspan he probably can guard the slower stretch 4s. You put him in with Dame and 3 defenders (Nurk, Hart, Winslow/ Little) and it might be effective.

IMO this is an option, just not one of our top options.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Here's a name to throw out there: Duncan Robinson. The Heat threw a large contract at him and now he's been forced out of the rotation by Max Strus. Robinson struggles on defense but is a lights-out three point shooter. A kind of young Kyle Korver if you will. The Heat don't tend to be sentimental and always believe they can develop new players that they find in the bargain bin (Robinson and Strus are both examples) so might be prepared to ditch him for cap room. Meanwhile, we have cap room for a change, need non-guard shooting, but are unlikely to attract free agents...

Downside: that's a lot of money for a one-way player.
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interesting thought

of course, another thought is the last Miami perimeter player that fell out of the playoff rotation was Derrick Jones.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Here's a name to throw out there: Duncan Robinson. The Heat threw a large contract at him and now he's been forced out of the rotation by Max Strus. Robinson struggles on defense but is a lights-out three point shooter. A kind of young Kyle Korver if you will. The Heat don't tend to be sentimental and always believe they can develop new players that they find in the bargain bin (Robinson and Strus are both examples) so might be prepared to ditch him for cap room. Meanwhile, we have cap room for a change, need non-guard shooting, but are unlikely to attract free agents...

Downside: that's a lot of money for a one-way player.
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Hell no.
Said it last year.
UNPLAYABLE IN THE PLAYOFFS.
 
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