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blazerkor said:
Obviously they did get a lot better from that trade if CJ and Ingram hadn't missed games in there the record would have been a bit better. That's not some knock on Hart though. The dude is a legit two way player but is most likely a 6th or 7th man on a playoff team or contender... unless the other guys starting with him are like some kind of big three or two MVPs or some shit. I like that we have Hart and think him at 13M next season is a good deal.
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If Wes Matthews and PJ Tucker are starters on a contender then so is Josh Hart.
 
Dwight also goes on about how valuable RoCo is and how the Clippers love him. He's not starting tonight even though PG, Kawhi, and Kennard are out. So he's the 9th seeds 6th best forward?
 
Tince said:
Dwight also goes on about how valuable RoCo is and how the Clippers love him. He's not starting tonight even though PG, Kawhi, and Kennard are out. So he's the 9th seeds 6th best forward?
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I'm not arguing Dwight being anything more than a fool but we all know that RoCo plays behind Morris and doesn't bring enough offense to replace any of the guys you just mentioned. I do think Norm would be starting at SG tonight if the Pels weren't so big.
 
blazerkor said:
I'm not arguing Dwight being anything more than a fool but we all know that RoCo plays behind Morris and doesn't bring enough offense to replace any of the guys you just mentioned. I do think Norm would be starting at SG tonight if the Pels weren't so big.
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You're kinda making my point for me. RoCo isn't as good as Morris and Powell is too small to be playing against starters with length. This is the reason why we had to dump their salary and start over. And why there weren't these amazing offers for them around the trade deadline.
 
Tough to take Dwight seriously after he wore that dead squirrel on his head for so long.
 
Tince said:
You're kinda making my point for me. RoCo isn't as good as Morris and Powell is too small to be playing against starters with length. This is the reason why we had to dump their salary and start over. And why there weren't these amazing offers for them around the trade deadline.
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Which brings us full circle. Why did we give up 2 1st rd picks for RoCo? Why did we give up Trent for Powell and then give him an extension?

It isn't as if Olshey was operating solo. But the enablers/yes men that surrounded him are now the ones making the decisions! How does that make sense?

Just as an aside, we also supposedly didn't get amazing offers for CJ and Nance. Even if the Clips are suffering some sort of buyers remorse, I doubt the Pels are. If we are going to exonerate Cronin for the Clips deal, we also have to point out that the Pels deal was a total, laughable fustercluck.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Which brings us full circle. Why did we give up 2 1st rd picks for RoCo? Why did we give up Trent for Powell and then give him an extension?

It isn't as if Olshey was operating solo. But the enablers/yes men that surrounded him are now the ones making the decisions! How does that make sense?

Just as an aside, we also supposedly didn't get amazing offers for CJ and Nance. Even if the Clips are suffering some sort of buyers remorse, I doubt the Pels are. If we are going to exonerate Cronin for the Clips deal, we also have to point out that the Pels deal was a total, laughable fustercluck.
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If the Pels plan on CJ being their 1a/1b, I have a feeling their fans will be sounding like ours in a year or two. Heck, had they lost tonight, they probably would've been bitching about CJ tonight because he was far from good.

I think our problems start with ownership, then with the Vulcans, then not having a front office who can stand up to those two, and then not having a coach with any experience when you have a win-now #1 player. Not exactly how a championship organization lookslike.
 
Tince said:
If the Pels plan on CJ being their 1a/1b, I have a feeling their fans will be sounding like ours in a year or two. Heck, had they lost tonight, they probably would've been bitching about CJ tonight because he was far from good.
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Ingram is a much better player than CJ, and he stresses a defense more. But CJ has been averaging 1.3 more FGA's than Ingram. He had 3 more last night while he was having a very off night shooting. He's finally in a situation where he seems to think he's the man. If (big if) Zion comes back and CJ averages more shots than both Ingram and Zion there will likely be some friction. And Pels fans will notice, especially if CJ regresses back to his norms but still keeps shooting

Tince said:
I think our problems start with ownership, then with the Vulcans, then not having a front office who can stand up to those two, and then not having a coach with any experience when you have a win-now #1 player. Not exactly how a championship organization lookslike.
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I said this in another thread: I think Cronin deserves some criticism for his deadline deals, but it's hard to know how much is deserved without knowing what the boundaries of the orders were from Seattle he was operating under. I have no doubt at all that he was told to reduce current and future payroll by as much as he could, and he did that. Seattle didn't tell him to get poor drft compensation though
 
I enjoy Jaynes post at times, but he is wishy washy. I remember when he said trade Drexler, and Blazers got bumpkiss ( a washed up Thorpe in return). Then earlier this year on Rip City radio, Dwight doubled down on that by saying Thorpe was "Good" compensation. I was laughing my ass off. Hart can play. Thorpe was Gahbidge as a Blazer. And Otis played uninspired as well. I love Josh's tenacity on the court, and calling bullshit on Dwight's tweet.
 
wizenheimer said:
I said this in another thread: I think Cronin deserves some criticism for his deadline deals, but it's hard to know how much is deserved without knowing what the boundaries of the orders were from Seattle he was operating under. I have no doubt at all that he was told to reduce current and future payroll by as much as he could, and he did that. Seattle didn't tell him to get poor drft compensation though
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100%. If someone came on here and said Cronin got the very best deal possible, I would question those people to. Your point is that there are so many unknowns:

1. What ownerships instructions were
2. What Dame is ok with (assuming they value his opinion)
3. What offers were actually on the table.

To my knowledge, nobody knows the answer to any of those questions, so it's hard for me to come out and say there were better deals or not.
 
ehizzy3 said:
idk I don’t really follow him but I hear him on 1080 frequently
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I'm pretty sure he left the Oregonian. But yet, I do like him on 1080. The way he keeps track of all of those recruits is amazing.
 
Tince said:
To my knowledge, nobody knows the answer to any of those questions, so it's hard for me to come out and say there were better deals or not.
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I do think the idea that Cronin could have leveraged the best of the Pels and Laker picks (both top-4 protected) from New Orleans is valid. Blazers weren't going to get Jones out of the deal (pipedream), and I doubt they could have even landed Hayes or Murphy; maybe

the Clippers trade was a different matter though. But maybe only by degree. I don't think RoCo had a lot of value. I said last summer that a 5 year deal for Powell was not the positive asset many thought it was. Most teams don't want to be obligated to role players that long. Those two will add to the depth, assuming LAC re-signs RoCo, which may not be the case

as for Nance, he was traded to the Pels when they had 28 games left to the season; he only played in 9. That's Nance in a nutshell
 
wizenheimer said:
I do think the idea that Cronin could have leveraged the best of the Pels and Laker picks (both top-4 protected) from New Orleans is valid. Blazers weren't going to get Jones out of the deal (pipedream), and I doubt they could have even landed Hayes or Murphy; maybe

the Clippers trade was a different matter though. But maybe only by degree. I don't think RoCo had a lot of value. I said last summer that a 5 year deal for Powell was not the positive asset many thought it was. Most teams don't want to be obligated to role players that long. Those two will add to the depth, assuming LAC re-signs RoCo, which may not be the case

as for Nance, he was traded to the Pels when they had 28 games left to the season; he only played in 9. That's Nance in a nutshell
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All this is possible. Again, I have no clue what was said, so it's hard for me to speculate. We obviously lost both trades big from a talent standpoint, but we reset most our significant salaries, which seemed to be the overall obective, but I don't know.
 
Tince said:
If the Pels plan on CJ being their 1a/1b, I have a feeling their fans will be sounding like ours in a year or two. Heck, had they lost tonight, they probably would've been bitching about CJ tonight because he was far from good.

I think our problems start with ownership, then with the Vulcans, then not having a front office who can stand up to those two, and then not having a coach with any experience when you have a win-now #1 player. Not exactly how a championship organization lookslike.
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I think getting rid of the Vulcans is kinda the most important thing for this franchise. Once they appeared we've basically been horrible other than luck on draft picks. It's been mismanaged at every turn. Overspending at the worst possible time followed by being a cheapskate and/or risk-averse...also at the worst possible times. I can't wait for Jody to sell the team I'm 98% sure the Blazers stay in Portland so getting a new owner & out from under the Vulcan fucktards will be huge.
 
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tykendo said:
I enjoy Jaynes post at times, but he is wishy washy. I remember when he said trade Drexler, and Blazers got bumpkiss ( a washed up Thorpe in return). Then earlier this year on Rip City radio, Dwight doubled down on that by saying Thorpe was "Good" compensation. I was laughing my ass off. Hart can play. Thorpe was Gahbidge as a Blazer. And Otis played uninspired as well. I love Josh's tenacity on the court, and calling bullshit on Dwight's tweet.
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Well yeah Thorpe was garbage. He went from playing next to Hakeem to Chris Dudley
 
oldmangrouch said:
Which brings us full circle. Why did we give up 2 1st rd picks for RoCo? Why did we give up Trent for Powell and then give him an extension?

It isn't as if Olshey was operating solo. But the enablers/yes men that surrounded him are now the ones making the decisions! How does that make sense?

Just as an aside, we also supposedly didn't get amazing offers for CJ and Nance. Even if the Clips are suffering some sort of buyers remorse, I doubt the Pels are. If we are going to exonerate Cronin for the Clips deal, we also have to point out that the Pels deal was a total, laughable fustercluck.
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Clips lost by 4 without Paul George... If covid-19 had struck a day later we'd have their pick...
 
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