Has Obama Breached His Constitutional Power in Libya?

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...his_constitutional_power_in_libya_109952.html

In late September 1983, one month before the bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, the Reagan administration continued to insist that the War Powers Act did not apply to the U.S. military presence in Lebanon.

''The administration wants our stamp of approval,'' said a young Sen. Joseph Biden, ''but it is unwilling to commit itself to our laws.''

About a quarter-century later, Sen. Barack Obama told The Boston Globe, "The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

Today, Obama and Biden lead an administration engaged in a military conflict without legislative consent. The 1973 War Powers Resolution compels presidents to secure congressional approval within 60 days of U.S. military forces' "imminent involvement" or "introduction" into "hostilities." U.S. operations in Libya violated that deadline on Friday.

The president said he welcomed "Congressional action in support of the mission," which "would underline the U.S. commitment." But the administration argues this "support" is not required. It says the action in Libya is not war but, euphemistically, a "limited kinetic action."

Yet Obama has already applied the act to Libya. On March 21, to comply with the law, he officially notified Congress that the military was engaged there. "I am providing this report as part of my efforts to keep the Congress fully informed, consistent with the War Powers Resolution," the letter closed.
 
The article goes on to blast republicans for carrying around copies of the constitution, but doing nothing about this.

There's no doubt that constitutional scholar Obama is 100% wrong about this.
 
Every President pushes the limit of authority in matters like this. Does it violate US laws? Well, yeah. But in a round about way it also supports US interests- and that's good enough for me. Now, that said, if he wants to send in a ground based force for the long haul,he'd better get Congressional approval- and I'm sure he will.
 
I think the sum total of the US operations in Libya is one frigate, so that we can say we're "supporting" the NATO force through a sea-based arms embargo. The air component was grounded in early April until further notice.

I don't know about the constitutionality of it all, what's been told to Congress and what hasn't, but it isn't like the President's planning the Normandy invasion without Boehner knowing about it.
 
The article goes on to blast republicans for carrying around copies of the constitution, but doing nothing about this.

Maybe if they weren't all home-schooled they could actually read and comprehend it.
 
Funny that a Central Oregoner would bring up homeschooling...I wish more of our representatives were, since it seems that basic math and comprehension (oh yeah, and "telling the truth" and having some integrity) are missing in government.

Dr. Brian Ray, Strengths of Their Own: Home Schoolers Across America, National Home Education Research Institute, Salem, OR, 1997.:
In 1997, a study of 5,402 homeschool students from 1,657 families was released. It was entitled, "Strengths of Their Own: Home Schoolers Across America." The study demonstrated that homeschoolers, on the average, out-performed their counterparts in the public schools by 30 to 37 percentile points in all subjects. A significant finding when analyzing the data for 8th graders was the evidence that homeschoolers who are homeschooled two or more years score substantially higher than students who have been homeschooled one year or less. The new homeschoolers were scoring on the average in the 59th percentile compared to students homeschooled the last two or more years who scored between 86th and 92nd percentile. i


This was confirmed in another study by Dr. Lawrence Rudner of 20,760 homeschooled students which found the homeschoolers who have homeschooled all their school aged years had the highest academic achievement. This was especially apparent in the higher grades. ii This is a good encouragement to families catch the long-range vision and homeschool through high school.


Another important finding of Strengths of Their Own was that the race of the student does not make any difference. There was no significant difference between minority and white homeschooled students. For example, in grades K-12, both white and minority students scored, on the average, in the 87th percentile. In math, whites scored in the 82nd percentile while minorities scored in the 77th percentile. In the public schools, however, there is a sharp contrast. White public school eighth grade students, nationally scored the 58th percentile in math and the 57th percentile in reading. Black eighth grade students, on the other hand, scored on the average at the 24th percentile in math and the 28th percentile in reading. Hispanics scored at the 29th percentile in math and the 28th percentile in reading. iii


These findings show that when parents, regardless of race, commit themselves to make the necessary sacrifices and tutor their children at home, almost all obstacles present in other school systems disappear.
If you distrust Central Oregon whackjobs, then you can go with the state Board of Education study, but it's older:
In Oregon, the State Department of Education compiled test score statistics for 1,658 homeschooled children in 1988 and found that 51 percent of the children scored above the 71st percentile and 73 percent scored above the 51st percentile
 
Those studies are flawed to the point of uselessness.

Home schooled children mostly come from 2-parent families with comfortable incomes, and usually live in low-crime, rural communities.

Comparing them to a base that is mostly kids with 1 or less parents, high crime, high-density population shows nothing.

My gripe with home-schooling has nothing to do with test scores. Tests are simply a measure of programming and memory retention.

It has to do with exposure to the infinite ideas and attitudes of real life versus growing up in a bubble where only a single viewpoint is promoted. I've not met a single home-schooler who has developed the ability to think and reason independently of their parents.
 
come to one of the Blazer gatherings and meet Mrs. FromWA. Don't let her great looks fool you! :)
 
Those studies are flawed to the point of uselessness.

Home schooled children mostly come from 2-parent families with comfortable incomes, and usually live in low-crime, rural communities.

Comparing them to a base that is mostly kids with 1 or less parents, high crime, high-density population shows nothing.

My gripe with home-schooling has nothing to do with test scores. Tests are simply a measure of programming and memory retention.

It has to do with exposure to the infinite ideas and attitudes of real life versus growing up in a bubble where only a single viewpoint is promoted. I've not met a single home-schooler who has developed the ability to think and reason independently of their parents.

From the same report:
Another important finding of Strengths of Their Own was that the race of the student does not make any difference. There was no significant difference between minority and white homeschooled students. For example, in grades K-12, both white and minority students scored, on the average, in the 87th percentile. In math, whites scored in the 82nd percentile while minorities scored in the 77th percentile. In the public schools, however, there is a sharp contrast. White public school eighth grade students, nationally scored the 58th percentile in math and the 57th percentile in reading. Black eighth grade students, on the other hand, scored on the average at the 24th percentile in math and the 28th percentile in reading. Hispanics scored at the 29th percentile in math and the 28th percentile in reading.
Independent of race and class, though I agree that having a parent that can stay home is a requirement. Though that doesn't speak to your biases against their "ability to think and reason independently of their parents" and a "single viewpoint is promoted". Also independent of dollars spent in the educational process:
Similarly, the 1998 study by Dr. Rudner of 20,760 students, found that eighth grade students whose parents spend $199 or less on their home education score, on the average, in the 80th percentile. Eighth grade students whose parents spend $400 to $599 on their home education also score on the average, in the 80th percentile! Once the parents spend over $600, the students do slightly better, scoring in the 83rd percentile.


The message is loud and clear. More money does not mean a better education. There is no positive correlation between money spent on education and student performance. Public school advocates could refocus their emphasis if they learned this lesson. Loving and caring parents are what matters. Money can never replace simple, hard work.

But I digress from the point of the thread. Perhaps our Ivy League-educated leaders could explain to those of us who attempt to use common sense on a daily basis what the rules are and how they're following them.
 
come to one of the Blazer gatherings and meet Mrs. FromWA. Don't let her great looks fool you! :)

Are you trying to tell us she's actually a man?

barfo
 
No. I've checked that pretty thoroughly..."a guy I know" got burned a couple times in Phattaya and Honolulu.

I meant, don't let her stunning looks make you think she's a dumb homeschooled kid who thinks like Mommy and Daddy.
 
Don't let her great looks fool you! :)

We'll need to verify these great looks with pictures.

Feel free to take them when she's asleep, if you're unsure whether she'll pose for pictures to be posted on an internet forum.

If she's as attractive as you say, maybe we can reconsider the virtues of home schooling.
 
I thought the US handed over operations to NATO quite a few weeks or months ago... with possibly the exception of enforcing a no fly zone?
 

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