Politics Has Trump been shot? (1 Viewer)

[Phatguysrule]

Whatever, call him a racist because he doesn't want a mass wave of immigrants from 3rd world countries (or any country for that matter). 3rd world countries are more violent, especially in south/central america. Doesn't mean they all are but some of them are.

But immigrants coming to the US aren't more violent. They are less violent. We have data on that.

Trump likes to ignore that because he's racist.

Same reason he wouldn't rent apartments to black people in white neighborhoods.

Same reason he thinks neo Nazis are fine people.

He's a racist piece of shit.

That's not demonization. That is fact. That is one of many traits why we should not allow him to be our president or hold any government office.

 

[Road Ratt]

Trump has been leading both sides, and the media, by the nose, for years.

Trump is a narcissist. He plays the media, so they will talk about him. It gets his jolly's off. Granted the media makes money off of Trump, and is their main source of give a crap on the subject. So they are as culpable for Trump, as Trump is himself. The left repeats, retweets Trump's words, videos all day long. Doing Trump's bidding. Narcissists want you to talk about them. By doing so, every day. You help fulfill their greatest fantasy. A world talking about them.

Both sides literally seem to work, for Trump. Or at least his ego.

 

[PCmor7]

This is how crazies are born.
Enough people spew hateful nametags to the point everyone believes it and rains judgement down on others based on opinions and personal feelings and then the extremists follow the word and put it into action.

this is why i cant stand generalistic labels condemning others based off of differences of opinions.

Racist
Nazi
Rapist

Trump has been called all these things ad nausium.
And some extremist put those hate words into action.

but i thought it was the right that incites violence?

You want voter fraud? Here it is. This is the peak of free election denial. And by who? A Trump hater, very likely a lefty.

Ive been hearing and reading for years how the right wants a war. How they want to end democracy.
You know what?

actions speak louder than words

but there is one word that comes to mind anytime i read some comments.

Hypocrit.

I want peace. Yeah? Really? With all the violent pushing hate labels being tossed out there all the time?

People talking about staged? Okay
How about it was a lefty who did it to provoke trump into turning us into a military state if he wins.

so ill join the game. Here is my opinion im just gonna claim as fact.

The left shot at trump but intentionally did not kill him, In hopes he wins the election and sends us into a civil war. The left wants to tear it all down. How better than to get the other side to do it and then blame them for it????
Genius. Evil genius

But just the Facts!!!!!

Its hilarious how some say Trump will create a war with his words. Yet its the lefts’ words that have caused the first shot.

Just read @Road Ratt comments! Sickening. A guy who claims he wants peace, not killing Trump was a failure.
The double standard is sooo mindboggling insane, i really think more and mote people are simply incapable of using deductive reasoning on thier own actions, speech and behavior.
It all has cause and effect.
Kids growing up reading hate memes constantly and you want peace? Do you not see how our children will grow to become more hateful?

There is only one way to stop hate.

Love.

Someone has to take the high road. Someone has to be the bigger individual. Someone has to stop the endless cycle of hatred.
It starts with ourselves. In our circles of friends. Stop talking about who you hate and why and talk about what you love and why.
We are conditioned to behave and react to atrocities and not beauty.

I truly pray people open their eyes to the cycle they are a part of and realize no matter how much you disagree with someones policies, hate speech does nothing but makes things worse and instigates crazies to do things like this and this could be the tip pf the iceburg.

Stop the hate speech/meme trend.
Be better than the average hater.
Walk above those who have nothing but hate and revenge in their hearts.
Pull away from those who turn their opinions into hatred of anyone who disagrees.
These are the ones who will pull this county down the toilet.
These are the ones who claim they want peace but live their lives hating half of society.
These are the ones who will end this country if we keep feeding off of their hatred.

Break the hate trend. Find something to love and focus on that.

No.

Your post might have been well-intentioned, but it quickly falls into the very hypocrisy it rails against.

When Project Valkyrie failed in 1944, Hitler didn’t become less of a Nazi, less racist or less violent, and it wasn’t the job of everyone else to ignore him for what he was.

It’s the same here.

We absolutely don’t want anyone shot to death, especially for a differing political point of view. However, Trump has been the one from Day 1 (even before Day 1) swimming in xenophobic, misogynist, racist, violent tropes. It’s him and his party leadership that is following nearly step for step what the Nazis did in Germany in the 1920s and early 1930s. It’s him that raped and defamed E. Jean Carroll. It’s him that cheated on his wife with a porn star.

And it’s him, despite all that, who still is running for president and it’s his supporters that don’t care that he did all of that.

The left didn’t put words “It’ll be a bloodbath if I don’t win” into his mouth. It wasn’t the left Svengali-ing him into calling KKK “very fine people” or undocumented immigrants criminals and mentally ill people or saying for his supporters to punch anyone heckling him at a rally and he’d pay for it, or to incite his supporters to attack the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021 chanting to kill Pence and Pelosi, or to want to implement a radical change in government that would result in perpetual minority rule for him and his followers.

That’s not normal or acceptable and we have a responsibility to shine a light on it so everyone’s aware.

You’re advocating that, despite Trump taking this rhetoric into this realm that his opponents not call him on it. That’s ridiculous. This stuff isn’t being made up. It’s just recounting what he’s said and done.

You can’t say it’s OK for him to do it but Democrats have to campaign with an arm tied behind their back.

We need to be fair. We can sympathize for him and the shooting victims and denounce the act while still being honest about who Trump is, indeed who he’s always unabashedly claimed to be. All it takes for evil to triumph is for everyone to stand around and take no action.

The bullet didn’t absolve Trump, just like Stauffenberg’s bomb didn’t absolve Hitler. They still were who they were. They don’t get a pass on their bad acts because someone tried to eliminate them. They need to be judged on their merits and their sins.

Also, you make an incorrect and dangerous assumption -- and, again, one that is divisive in a post that you claim is to be against division -- that Crooks must be a leftist. Maybe he is, but he also appears to have been a gun-enthusiast, which is more aligned with the right.

It’s worth remembering that Stauffenberg and his co-conspirators against Hitler were themselves Nazis. Alexander II might have been the most enlightened of the Russian tsars, freeing the serfs, and yet his subjects blew him to bits.

In the future, maybe don’t accuse others of what you yourself are doing in your narrative.

 

[crandc]

I wish I could like this post by @PCmor7 twice.

A campaign has normal levels of criticism of opponents. Calling for jailing isn't. The Republican candidate for governor of North Carolina said some people should be killed. What Democrat said that? When a Bernie Sanders supporter shot Republican Steve Scalise, Sanders denounced in no uncertain terms. Said anyone who resorts to violence cannot be part of his movement. When Pelosi was attacked Republicans laughed.

 

[PCmor7]

Along those lines, let me tell you about something that happened this morning as I stopped for some groceries on my way home from work.

I heard two of the clerks talking as I entered the store about how they wished the political ads would just stop for a while after the Trump shooting.

As I was checking out, I mentioned to them that I heard Biden was suspending campaign ads for a bit because of it.

Here was the conversation that followed.

“Well, he and his whole administration should be in jail right now for causing this with what he said.”

“What do you mean? What did Biden say?”

“He said we need to stop ramping up this rhetoric. And then he put up a picture of Trump with a bull’s-eye on him.”

“Are you sure? I don’t think that happened.”

“Oh, it did. It did.”

“I don’t think it did. Could we make a wager and if you can find it you can show it to me the next time I’m in here?”

“Megyn Kelly said it did.”

“Who said Biden did that?”

“Megyn Kelly.”

“So you’re telling me you didn’t even see this? That you’re getting this second hand from a person paid to spread a certain partisan narrative? I’ll tell you what. Let’s bet on this.”

“No. I don’t want to.”

And then, as if the discussion never happened, we started talking about spices we put on food.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think every Trump rally attendee should insist from now on that they be allowed to bring a gun in order to protect themselves.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think every Trump rally attendee should insist from now on that they be allowed to bring a gun in order to protect themselves.

The SS is going to recommend Trump stop holding outdoor rallies.

 

[PCmor7]

I'm still waiting for the party of self-reliance and accountability to pull themselves up by their bootstraps on this.

If you don't want violence, don't accept your candidates advocating violence. If you don't want the campaign run in the mud, then maybe don't go there.

Use your time to clean up your own messy house rather than going to your neighbor's place and chastising them on the dust bunnies.

"Good for me but not for thee" comes to mind here, and it really shouldn't.

 

[beast blazer]

 

[bulls_with_booz]

The SS is going to recommend Trump stop holding outdoor rallies.

A dog with binoculars would've secured that rally better than the SS did.

 

[beast blazer]

I'm still waiting for the party of self-reliance and accountability to pull themselves up by their bootstraps on this.

If you don't want violence, don't accept your candidates advocating violence. If you don't want the campaign run in the mud, then maybe don't go there.

Use your time to clean up your own messy house rather than going to your neighbor's place and chastising them on the dust bunnies.

"Good for me but not for thee" comes to mind here, and it really shouldn't.

All the advocating for violence has come from the left. They supported the BLM/Anitfa riots, you had Maxine Waters openly calling for republicans to be harrassed in public. And the truth you lefty's won't acknowledge, is that the violence has been 99% against Trump supporters. I can show you dozens of videos of Trump supporters being assaulted. At universities, it's the leftists who prevent conservatives from speaking through threats of violence.

And now some TDS dipshit attempted an assassination, and you act like it was somehow deserved. Disgusting.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Isn’t it a little on the nose to start calling them the SS? Anyway I’m glad Trump is alive. It would be worse for me right now if he’d been assassinated outright; I still need to exist in the suburbs occasionally.

 

[Phatguysrule]

All the advocating for violence has come from the left.

Source please?

 

[bulls_with_booz]

Trump will not be an effective president, he will continue to make the country worse, but the constant rhetoric about how he will destroy Democracy, how Project 2025 will shoot your grandmother, it's over egging the pudding. For us here, we can be rational about it. You just never know how a mentally ill person will take that information.

 

[julius]

Still waiting to hear who the klan members would vote for in this election. It doesn't matter that the Klan was "founded" by Democrats, or that they would've voted for a Democratic candidate in the 1940s..I'm talking today.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Trump will not be an effective president, he will continue to make the country worse, but the constant rhetoric about how he will destroy Democracy, how Project 2025 will shoot your grandmother, it's over egging the pudding. For us here, we can be rational about it. You just never know how a mentally ill person will take that information.

Shooter was mentally ill. Thoughts and prayers. Next!

 

[Phatguysrule]

Trump will not be an effective president, he will continue to make the country worse, but the constant rhetoric about how he will destroy Democracy, how Project 2025 will shoot your grandmother, it's over egging the pudding. For us here, we can be rational about it. You just never know how a mentally ill person will take that information.

I took a lot of what Trump said as "just talk" the first time. He wound up trying to do exactly what he said and he was worse than I thought possible.

I'm taking him at his word. He wants to be dictator. He wants democracy ended.

Along with that will come people's grandmothers being shot.

I'm sorry, but that's not over egging the pudding. That's what we're facing if Donald Trump wins. It will be more intense under his 2nd term.

I'm not going to stop speaking the truth because some crazy people might get riled up. If these things weren't true I would understand people trying to silence it.

That is unfortunately not the case. We really are facing a significant threat on democracy in this election.

That's our choice.

 

[bulls_with_booz]

The joke on the right about the klan for years has been that they've got around 3000 active members, and 2500 of them are in the FBI. It was quite amusing to see David Duke get thawed out for a pro Palestine rally. They exist to show up at a political event with a confederate flag fresh out of the packaging, wear sunglasses, and not get doxxed by journalists for whatever reason.

I took a lot of what Trump said as "just talk" the first time. He wound up trying to do exactly what he said and he was worse than I thought possible.

I'm taking him at his word. He wants to be dictator. He wants democracy ended.

Along with that will come people's grandmothers being shot.

I'm sorry, but that's not over egging the pudding. That's what we're facing if Donald Trump wins. It will be more intense under his 2nd term.

The only thing guaranteed for me with a Trump victory is even more dead Palestinian children. On domestic issues, he has routinely showed himself to be entirely ineffective. I am not taking a song and dance man at his word. I lived through one Trump term already without America becoming a dictatorship. I'd prefer to not go through another one, but it is what it is at this point.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

All the advocating for violence has come from the left. They supported the BLM/Anitfa riots, you had Maxine Waters openly calling for republicans to be harrassed in public. And the truth you lefty's won't acknowledge, is that the violence has been 99% against Trump supporters. I can show you dozens of videos of Trump supporters being assaulted. At universities, it's the leftists who prevent conservatives from speaking through threats of violence.

And now some TDS dipshit attempted an assassination, and you act like it was somehow deserved. Disgusting.

So the left is forcing Republicans to become violent against Trump?!?

 

[THE HCP]

I just read a report on Reuters that said Crooks is the shooter. I also saw photos of Crooks on Twitter and it appears to be the young man. Unless they were manipulated, the ear matches the death photo.

They're saying he was a registered Republican but he also once donated $15 to a Democratic fund-raising organization.

MAGA Twitter doesn't seem to believe it's Crooks and now is actively running with Stone saying it was Maxwell Yearick, who it says was antifa. He'd be about 37 years old now and while their are some facial similarities with pics of him seven years ago, it doesn't look like Yearick was the deceased. Of course, they won't believe that now.

EDIT: The donation to ActBlue is in question. It might be another person with almost the same name that lives in the Pittsburgh area. The donation would have had to have been made when the shooter was 17.

The one thing that seems likely is they were a gun enthusiast, judging by the Demolition Ranch shirt and using the AR-15. Demolition Ranch is a YouTube site about guns, and they sell a lot of merch through their website. The stuff I've seen is that they don't claim to back a political candidate, although I saw a photo that I couldn't authenticate of Donald Trump Jr. with the owner.

Wonder who the owners of DEMOLITION RANCH (some fucking dorks named that one) voted for?

 

[Phatguysrule]

The joke on the right about the klan for years has been that they've got around 3000 active members, and 2500 of them are in the FBI. It was quite amusing to see David Duke get thawed out for a pro Palestine rally. They exist to show up at a political event with a confederate flag fresh out of the packaging, wear sunglasses, and not get doxxed by journalists for whatever reason.




The only thing guaranteed for me with a Trump victory is even more dead Palestinian children. On domestic issues, he has routinely showed himself to be entirely ineffective. I am not taking a song and dance man at his word. I lived through one Trump term already without America becoming a dictatorship. I'd prefer to not go through another one, but it is what it is at this point.

Presidents are more aggressive in their second term. We'll get more of what Trump actually wants.

The people setting up checkpoints out here weren't KKK. They were people who were revved up by Trump's lies and shady affiliations.

Nobody is worried about the actual KKK. They are worried that Trump gives them gravitas that will exponentially swell their numbers (or at least the numbers of like-minded people willing to commit heinous acts based on the same kind of lunacy).

 

[bulls_with_booz]

So the left is forcing Republicans to become violent against Trump?!?

This is totally random, but I saw that the shooter donated to some lukewarm, centre left progressive cause, ActBlue or something, around January 2020ish. Makes me think he lost a bet with a friend and had to cough up $15.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The SS is going to recommend Trump stop holding outdoor rallies.

He's no quitter! He wouldn't let his loyal (heavily armed) fans down like that!

 

[Chris Craig]

All the advocating for violence has come from the left. They supported the BLM/Anitfa riots, you had Maxine Waters openly calling for republicans to be harrassed in public. And the truth you lefty's won't acknowledge, is that the violence has been 99% against Trump supporters. I can show you dozens of videos of Trump supporters being assaulted. At universities, it's the leftists who prevent conservatives from speaking through threats of violence.

And now some TDS dipshit attempted an assassination, and you act like it was somehow deserved. Disgusting.

No, it has not. In fact, the very environment that has caused this started with Trump himself. He set the right against the left with his rhetoric. He lit the flame.

The majority of people on the left did not support riots. They supported the protest marches. There is a difference.

 

[Everything Beagle]

This is totally random, but I saw that the shooter donated to some lukewarm, centre left progressive cause, ActBlue or something, around January 2020ish. Makes me think he lost a bet with a friend and had to cough up $15.

looks like even that might not be him?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[beast blazer]

No, it has not. In fact, the very environment that has caused this started with Trump himself. He set the right against the left with his rhetoric. He lit the flame.

You've got a case of TDS. They called him Hitler before he even took office, and made up a bunch of lies about him colluding with Russia. This BS went on non stop for years.

 

[bulls_with_booz]

looks like even that might not be him?

Wouldn't be surprised. I brought it up because it has been mentioned by mainstream sources and isn't just Roger Stone's fan fiction.

 

[Everything Beagle]

I think it’s fucking adorable that apparently the KGB cannot do or chooses not to do what the CIA does every day.

 

[Chris Craig]

You've got a case of TDS. They called him Hitler before he even took office, and made up a bunch of lies about him colluding with Russia. This BS went on non stop for years.

He was spewing his rhetoric before he ever took office.