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Democratic Party decides to sack up and play hardball by calling out Trump for the piece of shit he is.

And BAM. One day later an assassination attempt.

The timing is impeccable.

Almost like too good on the timing.

I wonder if the Democrat strategy will go back to bringing a knife to a gun fight?
 
It seems a great many people have lost track of true definitions.. like:

Fact:
fact
[ fakt ]
noun
  1. that which actually exists or is the case; reality or truth:
    Your fears have no basis in fact.

  2. something known to exist or to have happened:
    Space travel is now a fact.

  3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true:
    Scientists gather facts about plant growth.

  4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened:
    The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.

  5. Law. Often facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance relevant to a case, as distinguished from the legal effect of that event or circumstance. Compare question of fact,question of law.


    Vs

    interpretation:

    interpretation
    noun
    1. the act of interpreting; elucidation; explication:
      This writer's work demands interpretation.

    2. an explanation of the meaning of another's artistic or creative work; an elucidation:
      an interpretation of a poem.

    3. a conception of another's behavior:
      a charitable interpretation of his tactlessness.

    4. a way of interpreting.
    5. the rendering of a dramatic part, music, etc., so as to bring out the meaning, or to indicate one's particular conception of it.
    6. oral translation.

    interpreting anything, however soundly, does not make it a fact. Far too many people are interpreting hearsay and half stories into their own narrowed-down judgement. i do not expect most to acknowledge it, for its likely those who do so, are unaware and locked into such hatred, they will interpret anything into a fact, as long as it goes with the opinion-narrative inside ones head.

    Both sides do this. It goes in waves. At this point i don't really care who started what.
    its a chicken or the egg distraction. until someone breaks the chain, all who constantly spew hate are guilty. Both sides. The state of affairs is so sad… All i want is for people to love each other enough to talk out grievances respectfully, without violence. All i see and read is hatred. He caused this, he said that. He is a Nazi, he is a walking corpse. ANYONE who continues to point the finger instead of hold out a hand is guilty. I plead for people to take the high ground. Let civility triumph and love conquer and flow through the veins, draining away the hatred drop by drop, drip by drip. . It has got to stop. Be the first in your circle to break the chain. Seriously. What is the alternative? Continual hatred until we are shooting our neighbors through our windows? Civil war??What is the alternative? To grow old and bitter and full of hate? What is the alternative???????? We have to change, somehow, someway. We cant wait for someone else to change. We must change ourselves. Only then is their any hope of making it down the path we are on without mass bloodshed. Im begging all of you. Put the hatred aside. :(
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
It seems a great many people have lost track of true definitions.. like:

Fact:
fact
[ fakt ]
noun
  1. that which actually exists or is the case; reality or truth:
    Your fears have no basis in fact.

  2. something known to exist or to have happened:
    Space travel is now a fact.

  3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true:
    Scientists gather facts about plant growth.

  4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened:
    The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.

  5. Law. Often facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance relevant to a case, as distinguished from the legal effect of that event or circumstance. Compare question of fact,question of law.


    Vs

    interpretation:

    interpretation
    noun
    1. the act of interpreting; elucidation; explication:
      This writer's work demands interpretation.

    2. an explanation of the meaning of another's artistic or creative work; an elucidation:
      an interpretation of a poem.

    3. a conception of another's behavior:
      a charitable interpretation of his tactlessness.

    4. a way of interpreting.
    5. the rendering of a dramatic part, music, etc., so as to bring out the meaning, or to indicate one's particular conception of it.
    6. oral translation.

    interpreting anything, however soundly, does not make it a fact. Far too many people are interpreting hearsay and half stories into their own narrowed-down judgement. i do not expect most to acknowledge it, for its likely those who do so, are unaware and locked into such hatred, they will interpret anything into a fact, as long as it goes with the opinion-narrative inside ones head.

    Both sides do this. It goes in waves. At this point i don't really care who started what.
    its a chicken or the egg distraction. until someone breaks the chain, all who constantly spew hate are guilty. Both sides. The state of affairs is so sad… All i want is for people to love each other enough to talk out grievances respectfully, without violence. All i see and read is hatred. He caused this, he said that. He is a Nazi, he is a walking corpse. ANYONE who continues to point the finger instead of hold out a hand is guilty. I plead for people to take the high ground. Let civility triumph and love conquer and flow through the veins, draining away the hatred drop by drop, drip by drip. . It has got to stop. Be the first in your circle to break the chain. Seriously. What is the alternative? Continual hatred until we are shooting our neighbors through our windows? Civil war??What is the alternative? To grow old and bitter and full of hate? What is the alternative???????? We have to change, somehow, someway. We cant wait for someone else to change. We must change ourselves. Only then is their any hope of making it down the path we are on without mass bloodshed. Im begging all of you. Put the hatred aside. :(
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We as a nation are responsible to teach young people how to communicate with people and be respectful. Doesn't matter who's right or who's wrong, if we neglect to coach young people to be composed, respectful, and how to treat others. Well, we've failed as a society.
 
Biden spoke again calling for rejecting political violence. Referenced assassination attempt, attack on Capitol January 6 , attack on Paul Pelosi and attempted kidnapping of Governor Whitmer, intimidation of election workers. Acknowledged political differences and conviction election will shape the country for decades but said decide at ballot box and not with violence.

Saying all you need is love...groovy but Republican candidate for governor did say some people should be killed. No equivalence. If you keep saying be nice everyone without acknowledging that you aren't living in reality.
 
jonnyboy said:
This is exactly right.

It’s sort of hard to respect people who sit on here and bloviate, day in and day out, about how Trump is the embodiment of evil, grave threat to our country and the world, a Nazi, a fascist, etc. Then, turn around when something like this happens and vomit up the same mundane, applause break talking points condemning violence and feigning some type of civility. Yall did this. It’s so fake and people who are suddenly minding their P’s and Q’s have ZERO principles.
Put you fucking money where your mouths are and tell us you wish he would’ve died yesterday. Save us from the Nazis and the threat to democracy! If i truly thought an evil person was taking over the world I’d be glad they got clapped. But deep down you all know you are just blowing hot air and being dramatic to inflate this supposed ‘threat’ Trump poses. You just wanted to get your political way by any means possible and now the chickens have come home to roost and its time to start back pedaling your bullshit.

Yall are kind of pussies, sorry to say. And your shitty, hyperbolic chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling ideology of fear mongering and scare tactics is what caused that dumb kid to crawl on a roof and get his head popped trying to assassinate a president.

Congatulations, you played yourself.
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The problem is, we have these tribes where saying the more extreme things gets you pats on the back. It happens on the right too, but it seems to be amped up on the left to a much greater degree these days.
 
beast crnjo said:
The problem is, we have these tribes where saying the more extreme things gets you pats on the back. It happens on the right too, but it seems to be amped up on the left to a much greater degree these days.
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Lol
 
Hoopguru said:
The young people are watching how we handle this kind of crazy stuff.
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The best thing we can do is come out against this type of violence and other types of violence all the rhetoric has begot. It cannot and must not be condoned.

The political arena is as charged as it ever has been, and it's not going anywhere. Biden and many other politicians, and I'll say on both sides, have called for a calm amongst the storm.

And, I hope it calms. But, I know Trump and many on the right won't hear that. This is going to be used to rile up people more. Congressmen on the right put out tweets, saying Biden ordered this, and calling for his prosecution, trying to provoke further upset and divide. These are elected officials being terribly irresponsible. They are inflaming an already terrible situation and it's nothing new.

Trump pitted the right against the left to begin with when he first ran for president. There has always been a divide, but he created a canyon, all for his own benefit. He stoked fear and anger, and look where we are.

It's terrible what happened. Lives were lost. I can't even imagine the space their families are in. I'm glad Trump only got grazed. Like I said, I would never wish him or anyone dead. I hope he is doing well.

What happened doesn't change how I view him though. It doesn't change the things he's done. It doesn't change the things he represents. I still think he is a danger to democracy. I will still do what is right. And, that is speaking out against that.

Young people are watching how we are going to handle this, you are right. They need to see us fight for what is right. And, I don't mean be violent, I mean speaking up and standing up for what this country could and should be. That's the heart of Democracy.

And, they should see us being respectful when we do it, or as respectful as we can. Sometimes its hard to be respectful. I know I'm not always as respectful as I can be, but I try.
 
Chris Craig said:
Or a crazy conservative gun lover who got tired of Trump's bullshit.

Really, we don't know anything yet. But, you can jump to conclusions all you want.
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Yeah, I'm sure he was a staunch republican who only donated money to democrats and wanted to kill Trump.

Or maybe he registered as a republican just before he did the deed so you'd have your moronic little talking point.
 
beast crnjo said:
Yeah, I'm sure he was a staunch republican who only donated money to democrats and wanted to kill Trump.

Or maybe he registered as a republican just before he did the deed so you'd have your moronic little talking point.
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Sounds like people who knew him in HS said he wasn't very political but they assumed he was Republican.

Reports are that he was registered as a Republican.
 
There’s been assassinations and attempts long before the crazy political tenor that has filled the world today.

It’s a big reason why the left fights so hard to regulate guns.

There’s people with mental problems on all sides of politics. Or even outside the realm of politics.
 
MickZagger said:
There’s been assassinations and attempts long before the crazy political tenor that has filled the world today.

It’s a big reason why the left fights so hard to regulate guns.
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Good luck. 400 million cats are already out of the bag on that one.

MickZagger said:
There’s people with mental problems on all sides of politics. Or even outside the realm of politics.
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Hey, looks like this kid was also bullied in HS... Imagine how universal healthcare with mental health workers stationed at schools could help...

Two Professors Found What Creates a Mass Shooter. Will Politicians Pay Attention? - POLITICO
 
beast crnjo said:
Yeah, I'm sure he was a staunch republican who only donated money to democrats and wanted to kill Trump.

Or maybe he registered as a republican just before he did the deed so you'd have your moronic little talking point.
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It will all be revealed.
 
False flag operation seems to be the term I was looking for.

Trump really wanted his shoes back so none of the MAGA faithful would take them as a souvenir.

That’s a normal reaction when Secret Service is escorting you away from an active shooter
 
MickZagger said:
False flag operation seems to be the term I was looking for.

Trump really wanted his shoes back so none of the MAGA faithful would take them as a souvenir.

That’s a normal reaction when Secret Service is escorting you away from an active shooter
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I don't think so. We would certainly be hearing that if it was the other way around.
 
This is the same party that claims Kyle Rittenhouse is an American hero.

But the mere thought of implying this was an inside job is just disgusting..

Please.
 
MickZagger said:
This is the same party that claims Kyle Rittenhouse is an American hero.

But the mere thought of implying this was an inside job is just disgusting..

Please.
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That kid is no hero.

It's irresponsible.

Do you really think they killed two people so they could stage this? If they did, that's pretty damned crazy. I just don't see it.

Trump got lucky and he's going to use it for his benefit instead of letting it humble him.
 
beast crnjo said:
The problem is, we have these tribes where saying the more extreme things gets you pats on the back. It happens on the right too, but it seems to be amped up on the left to a much greater degree these days.
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man what in the world are you talking about. who "on the left" is saying anything extreme and getting rewarded for it? this makes no sense
 
Chris Craig said:
That kid is no hero.

It's irresponsible.

Do you really think they killed two people so they could stage this? If they did, that's pretty damned crazy. I just don't see it.

Trump got lucky and he's going to use it for his benefit instead of letting it humble him.
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I’m not saying it happened like that. I’m saying it wouldn’t surprise me.

We never thought we’d see a President encourage his cult to storm the capital building either and it happened.

How much more far fetched is it to think he hired some mentally unstable kid to pull this off?

I just read an article where a retired top SS official said he’s very intrigued by how the investigation will unfold because he said that the snipers working should of had a 360 degree shot of the perimeter of the site. To be able to bypass that as a 20 year old kid with no military background with that kind of weapon, was astonishing to him.
 
Another thing is, with that kind of gun, even a very inexperienced shooter can hit the mark from 150 yards away.

No one even near the line of site was hit with a semi automatic weapon. Trumps ear was hit because of the glass podium shattering. The people hit were in the bleachers, not near where Trump was. It was a weapon that can shoot off several rounds in quick succession.

Just a lot of fishy stuff with all this. Especially the timing of it all.
 
How is the kid going to know that 150 yards away he could get on this roof and be undetected? Did they have a prior rally at that location that he attended? Did he map it out?

Was SS really that asleep at the wheel?

They’re supposed to be the best of the best and this 20 year old kid who’s dad bought him an AR15 six months earlier outwitted them?
 
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