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So did the buyout vs waiving ever get answered as it pertains to the cap number and hold
 
As I read #40 in the CBA FAQ, renouncing refers to giving up a team's rights to a free agent. I don't see anything that says it applies to players who are still under contract. Assuming it does apply, then it sounds like the renounced player's salary comes off of the books immediately. There's also this bit of information:

41. Can the renouncement be renounced? In other words, can a team un-renounce a player and then sign him using a Bird exception?

Only in one specific circumstance -- when they renounce one or more of their players in order to create enough cap room to sign another team's restricted free agent, but the restricted free agent's original team matches the offer sheet and keeps him. If that happens, the team can rescind the renouncement.
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If it is the case that renouncement can be used on players under contract, then it would seem like the T'Wolves wouldn't be risking as much on this as we'd thought.
 
Dwight Jaynes ‏@dwightjaynes
@BrianFromWA So let's be sure now... you're saying Minnesota won't get the cap room for the offer sheet, correct?

seriously, what a jackass.
Can't follow a discussion, and then tries to state someone's position for them that is false
 
RR7 said:
Dwight Jaynes ‏@dwightjaynes
@brianfromwa So let's be sure now... you're saying Minnesota won't get the cap room for the offer sheet, correct?
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How does one type louder and slower over twitter for Dwight?
 
Gotta admit, it feels good to be in a negotiation situation where we're not the ones bent over the hood of the Honda.
 
Hey, Brian. What is the benefit of Kahn getting the option date moved back on Webster and Miller's contracts


And how does retirement fall into all this? If Miller retires, what happens to his cap hit, and when?
 
My guess - The benefit was that they might be able to send them in a trade for a team that looks to shed money.
 
e_blazer said:
As I read #40 in the CBA FAQ, renouncing refers to giving up a team's rights to a free agent. I don't see anything that says it applies to players who are still under contract. Assuming it does apply, then it sounds like the renounced player's salary comes off of the books immediately. There's also this bit of information:

If it is the case that renouncement can be used on players under contract, then it would seem like the T'Wolves wouldn't be risking as much on this as we'd thought.
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this is referring to free agents that you still have bird rights for, you can renounce them to take their cap hold off your salary
 
they didn't trade them at the Draft, which is normally where those kinds of contracts get moved. It's the last chance to reduce salary before the moratorium. So, say, some team that was 4M into the lux tax could trade a 5M player for Webster, waive Webster, and remove 4.1M from their cap and not be in the tax anymore.

They must've gotten a whiff that someone might want to make that type of trade in the FA period, so they negotiate it with Webster and Miller to move the date a bit. You'd think that a player would want to be a FA right now while there's money instead of being waived today and clearing next week when everyone's done spending, but Miller's going to retire anyway and I don't know Webster's motivation. But the same mechanism still applies. Technically, if we wanted to trade nothing but draft picks for Dwight Howard, we could trade Wes to MIN for Webster, waive Webster and gain an extra 6M in cap space.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Hey, Brian. What is the benefit of Kahn getting the option date moved back on Webster and Miller's contracts


And how does retirement fall into all this? If Miller retires, what happens to his cap hit, and when?
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I'm guessing they pushd back the dates to explore trade options once free agency hit. Could take back mroe by trading the two of them than if they just had the cap space. With space, they could only take back that amount, not the amount plus whatever percent125, 150,whatever. So if they trade 10 in salary of those 2, they can bring back 12-15. But if they just had the cap space, they can only bring back 10
 
BrianFromWA said:
You'd think that a player would want to be a FA right now while there's money instead of being waived today and clearing next week when everyone's done spending, but Miller's going to retire anyway and I don't know Webster's motivation.
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i was thinking this same thing a few days ago, why a player would voluntarily extend this window makes little sense, maybe webby thinks there is a slight chance someone trades for him and doesnt waive him? i would think he is basically a 2 million per year type these days, so he really doesnt have much to lose, im sure he can scrape a minimum deal at least
 
3RA1N1AC said:
i was thinking this same thing a few days ago, why a player would voluntarily extend this window makes little sense, maybe webby thinks there is a slight chance someone trades for him and doesnt waive him? i would think he is basically a 2 million per year type these days, so he really doesnt have much to lose, im sure he can scrape a minimum deal at least
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I was thinking maybe Webster was willing to get the goodwill of the Wolves because they are interested in signing him back once they finish their other free agency moves.

Edit: Another idea is Webster had such an inflated sense of self worth he thought a team would consider trading for him and keeping him at his full salary.
 
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Yesterday Haynes was on 1080 and said "The other day, I talked to his agent Mr. Ndiaye"

With their blogs, wasn't this EXTREMELY obvious?
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Yesterday Haynes was on 1080 and said "The other day, I talked to his agent Mr. Ndiaye"

With their blogs, wasn't this EXTREMELY obvious?
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It's pretty obvious that Ndiaye is playing Haynes and Jaynes like the Pied Piper.

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Mediocre Man said:
What about my retirment question?
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Retired players still have to go through waivers.... therefore you still have the 7-day period.

Does anyone know when Webster's contract gets fully guaranteed? I would assume it would be 7/15 - just so he has time to sign on with a new team. Honestly, if I was Webster's agent - I would have only moved the date back to 7/4.....so if he is waived, he would be available to sign a contract when FA officially opens.
 
tester551 said:
Retired players still have to go through waivers.... therefore you still have the 7-day period.

Does anyone know when Webster's contract gets fully guaranteed? I would assume it would be 7/15 - just so he has time to sign on with a new team. Honestly, if I was Webster's agent - I would have only moved the date back to 7/4.....so if he is waived, he would be available to sign a contract when FA officially opens.
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I have heard from Minny fans it is the end of July.
 
Minni trying to create cap room with trades

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I mentioned other day that Ellington a likely Wolves dumpee to make other cap stuff work -- @CAGrizBlog says Memphis talking deal.
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Griz have no exceptions but Minn could get Dante Cunningham and route to third team.
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That seems like a Kahn move -- "sign" Batum to an offer-sheet that you don't have the cap for at the time.
 
Will NIC play in the Olympics with no signed contract? I thought he was avoiding their practice games (anyone know for sure?) until he had a deal done. I am not sure if this is correct but I have to believe he is starting to get pissed about this Minny situation.
 
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