Haynes full of shit (no Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million) (confirmed) (1 Viewer)

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Treaty_of_Batum said:
Good news: Blazers have a SF they can pencil in for the next 4 years

Bad news: I have to keep my screen name for the next 4 years
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I'd tell you to change it to Treaty_ of _Batum_Yo, or Toby for short, but apparently that is offensive?
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Joe Freeman: Olshey said he communicated with Batum every day throughout free agency. Behind scenes, Olshey said, Batum always wanted to stay w #Blazers about 18 minutes ago

I'm sure this has already been posted, but I wanted to make sure all the Timbertrolls saw it.
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I think it's also complete bullshit too

#justsayin'
 
Nikolokolus said:
I think it's also complete bullshit too

#justsayin'
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Yea, it's all bullshit among agents, former agents, and current GMs.

Reality (like Gordon) is Batum is getting paid big bucks and needs to be committed to his team and step up his game to match his contract . . . first part is reality and second part is hopeful.
 
Nicolas Batum ‏@nicolas88batum

Just landed in Portland...we are in july , where is the sun???

Already a malcontent
 
So is that shit gonna be a permanent thing?

Not.

Swayed.

Is that the new "FAMS"?
 
magnifier661 said:
Okay, so if we aren't too concerned about cap space; the Batum signing isn't a big deal to you right? Since we shouldn't be concerned with saving money; we don't have to worry about a couple extra million right?
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:confused:
 
Nikolokolus said:
If you really want to pass that off as the reason that Howard Schultz sold the team to a consortium of OKC oil men and then they subsequently moved the team, you don't really get it.

That team was on the move if they had sucked or not and was a done deal before the ink on the bill of sale had dried.
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If they were good, there would have been more of an effort to keep the team there. I still contend if Oden went to Seattle, the city would have rallied to keep him there due to the hype.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Not.

Swayed.
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You really believe Olshey when he says Nicolas always wanted to stay in Portland?

I don't think he was dead set on leaving like it was protrayed by Haynes and Jaynes, but I do believe his first choice was Minnesota.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
If they were good, there would have been more of an effort to keep the team there. I still contend if Oden went to Seattle, the city would have rallied to keep him there due to the hype.
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How would the number one pick having MF surgery his rookie year have helped? Unless you think he wouldn't have played DDR if he was there?

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And besides, it wasn't up to the fans, it was up to the taxpaying public at large -- who probably weren't big basketball fans -- not wanting to raise their taxes to pay for yet another new arena.
 
Nikolokolus said:
How would the number one pick having MF surgery his rookie year have helped? Unless you think he wouldn't have played DDR if he was there?

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And besides, it wasn't up to the fans, it was up to the taxpaying public at large -- who probably weren't big basketball fans -- not wanting to raise their taxes to pay for yet another new arena.
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He was a once in a decade guy coming out of college. Its like getting LeBron james and then wanting to move the franchise? The bandwagon would have been in effect. The effort would have been enough I think, especially even in the legislature to keep them here.

And Seattle probably has better medical staff.
 
Nikolokolus said:
You really believe Olshey when he says Nicolas always wanted to stay in Portland?

I don't think he was dead set on leaving like it was protrayed by Haynes and Jaynes, but I do believe his first choice was Minnesota.
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I believe he'd have been happy there. I dunno if I'd say that's where he wanted to be. He visited one place and that was it??

But it was clear to me that his agent wanted to get his player some big money. And he did. They got an offer than Minne couldn't offer. His agent said he wasn't even going to talk to Portland, and he didn't allow his player to do so. Nic said how many times during the season, and even right after, that he'd be back. His agent found him good money, got a deal, and Portland took it. I don't really know that we'll ever get Nic's true feelings.
 
Nikolokolus said:
How would the number one pick having MF surgery his rookie year have helped? Unless you think he wouldn't have played DDR if he was there?

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And besides, it wasn't up to the fans, it was up to the taxpaying public at large -- who probably weren't big basketball fans -- not wanting to raise their taxes to pay for yet another new arena.
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He wouldn't have gotten injured if he wasn't drafted by us - it's a Portland thing.
 
Nikolokolus said:
You really believe Olshey when he says Nicolas always wanted to stay in Portland?

I don't think he was dead set on leaving like it was protrayed by Haynes and Jaynes, but I do believe his first choice was Minnesota.
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All that really matters is how he feels now, and all indications are he's happy to be a Blazer. As Stevenson said, negotiations can be a bitch, but rarely will there be any carry-over once a deal is signed.
 
Chris Haynes ‏@ChrisBHaynes
Year 1 and 2 of Nicolas Batum's salary is $10.7M, year 3 is $10.9M and year 4 is $11.2M. #Blazers
 
Nikolokolus said:
You really believe Olshey when he says Nicolas always wanted to stay in Portland?

I don't think he was dead set on leaving like it was protrayed by Haynes and Jaynes, but I do believe his first choice was Minnesota.
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We have no evidence either way. Batum's "dream" was not to play in Minnesota. I also don't think Batum would badmouth a former coach ("he stuck me in a corner"), at least not publicly. Probably, Nic is a smart guy and realized, like he said, that Portland would match and that playing somewhere else wasn't really even a possibility. So, I don't think he ever really considered "would I rather play in Minnesota?"

btw: I wanted to point out how lucky he is. If his agent used those same tactics for an unproven player like Nic playing for a team from NY, Nic would be booed mercilessly for at least 10 games.
 
PapaG said:
All that really matters is how he feels now, and all indications are he's happy to be a Blazer. As Stevenson said, negotiations can be a bitch, but rarely will there be any carry-over once a deal is signed.
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All I said was that Olshey's comments sound like bullshit to me -- Spin to take some of the heat off of Nicolas after this very public negotiation by his agent -- I never meant to imply that Nicolas is unhappy coming back.
 
RR7 said:
Chris Haynes ‏@ChrisBHaynes
Year 1 and 2 of Nicolas Batum's salary is $10.7M, year 3 is $10.9M and year 4 is $11.2M. #Blazers
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So basically he'll be getting paid 4/43.5 before incentives I assume

If he earns those incentives, good for him

This contract just isn't that bad.
 
Interesting that kahn would set up the contract without maximum raises. He didn't Max out his cap space for this year and instaad gave MIN discounts in outyears where they're over the cap already. Dunno

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RoyToy said:
So basically he'll be getting paid 4/43.5 before incentives I assume

If he earns those incentives, good for him

This contract just isn't that bad.
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Considering I thought a "fair" deal for him in April was 4 years 36 million, it's high, but the difference spread out over 4 years is pretty much neglible when you consider how much dough Paul Allen has blown on buying picks in years past.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Why would he? All this drama got Nic at least 10-15mil more than we all expected. He did his job ultimately-- even if he was a dick and severely burned some bridges along the way.
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:confused:

You think if his agent hadn't acted like a dick to Portland that Minnesota would have only offered their coveted RFA 30-35 million? :confused:

I don't think it helped Batum at all. Like, at all.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Considering I thought a "fair" deal for him in April was 4 years 36 million, it's high, but the difference spread out over 4 years is pretty much neglible when you consider how much dough Paul Allen has blown on buying picks in years past.
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yeah 9 mil per was very fair IMO, 10.875 mil per is high but not ridiculous
 
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