Haynes full of shit (no Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million) (confirmed) (2 Viewers)

[Mediocre Man]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Actually about $14mil. Martell's owed 600k, and Miller's owed 800k. Cap is a little over $58mil. Wolves are at $44.2mil after Darko, Matell, and Miller are dealt with.

I trust my numbers

 

[Blazinaway]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

He's not "officially" off the spreadsheets because he hasn't "officially" retired with the league and as such can't "officially" be taken off of team salary so that you can "officially" offer someone an offer sheet. Don't blame my spreadsheet for your GM's lack of understanding of the CBA.

Joe Cronin earning his pay, nice job buddy! IMO the pressure mounts on Minny to pony up Williams, if they don't there's no chance of a sign and trade deal IMO and I think they are startin to figure that out - a bit slow however, Hell, I would not be surprised if there is no offer

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

just so you don't have to believe me, here's Coon weighing in on it:

If a player is waived with non-guaranteed salary, his non-guaranteed salary comes off the team salary when he clears waivers.
...
A player released July 1 to August 14 stays "on waivers" for seven days. A player released between August 15 and June 30 of the following year stays on waivers for 48 hours. The waiver period includes Saturdays and Sundays. During the waiver period other teams may claim the player and assume his contract. If no team has claimed the player before the end of the waiver period, he is said to have "cleared waivers." The player's contract is terminated and he becomes a free agent. The only way to terminate a contract early (other than with an ETO -- see question number 57) is through the waiver process.

Like I said before, BOS got around this with Sheed, iirc, b/c he filed retirement papers with the league. But I think even then all 30 teams have to sign off on it (Jason Williams Rule). That takes some time.

 

[john2jer]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

I agree that he's not THAT great, and MN would be just fine without him, but who do you see as the next target?

Ed O.

Word is we've kept in contact with Courtney Lee this entire time, as well as discussed an Iggy trade with Philly. Lee's supposedly desperate to play with Adelman again.

 

[crandc]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Maybe if Minny offers Kevin Love, Portland will consider S &T. Trouble (for them) is Minny has so few assets. Right now Kahn resembles the preteen yellling at his/her parents "I'll do what I want! You can't make me do anything! And that's that!"

Except it isn't.

 

[Blazinaway]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

just so you don't have to believe me, here's Coon weighing in on it:


Like I said before, BOS got around this with Sheed, iirc, b/c he filed retirement papers with the league. But I think even then all 30 teams have to sign off on it (Jason Williams Rule). That takes some time.

well, I wonder if Mr Allen would sign off on it? Perhaps a little "revenge ON kahn"...LOL

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Honestly, the best deal for MIN (if I was their GM) would be to amnesty Darko, take on Korver's contract for a 2nd rounder or something, and then package Miller/Webster/Korver to a team that can give up 20M worth of bad contracts and young players/draft picks. You get overpriced players and some assets, the other team gets 18M in cap/tax relief. Win-Win. And you're not bound by waiver timing.

 

[Porno Dan]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

just so you don't have to believe me, here's Coon weighing in on it:


Like I said before, BOS got around this with Sheed, iirc, b/c he filed retirement papers with the league. But I think even then all 30 teams have to sign off on it (Jason Williams Rule). That takes some time.

Do they count against the salary cap while on waivers?

 

[noknobs]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Wolves owner said it would be submited at the end of the business day today. Portland had until then if they wanted to do a S&T.

That's the EXACT SAME THING I read yesterday. This is so pathetic.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Do they count against the salary cap while on waivers?

yeah, that's what the first part of the quote was about. You only get the relief (5.1 in cap hold goes to 600k or whatever) AFTER the waivers are cleared. Which takes 7 days in summer.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

That's the EXACT SAME THING I read yesterday. This is so pathetic.

You can only polish crap so many times but at the end of the day, err business day, it's still crap.

Neil and Paul of their heels dug in. I can't wait for all of this to end.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Mike Barrett ‏@blazermb
“@GustyJ13: @blazermb Kahn: We're gonna sign the offer sheet on 3. 1... 2... 2 1/2... 2 3/4... 2 7/8...” RT LOL Sounds like me with my kids.

 

[ironcrotch]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Do they count against the salary cap while on waivers?

I love the username/avi combo.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Word is we've kept in contact with Courtney Lee this entire time, as well as discussed an Iggy trade with Philly. Lee's supposedly desperate to play with Adelman again.

What is your guess in how an Iggy trade would play out? You mean with us involved? I assume you can't trade for Iggy on your own.

 

[Blazinaway]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

I have to wonder with all this garbage from Minny if Nic startin to get a little "nervous" about Minny and their ability to get anything done, and wondering if this was a wise strategy

 

[Duckhook]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

yeah, that's what the first part of the quote was about. You only get the relief (5.1 in cap hold goes to 600k or whatever) AFTER the waivers are cleared. Which takes 7 days in summer.

So is the offer sheet even valid if Kahn has no room to even offer it?

 

[Porno Dan]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

yeah, that's what the first part of the quote was about. You only get the relief (5.1 in cap hold goes to 600k or whatever) AFTER the waivers are cleared. Which takes 7 days in summer.

Interesting. Thanks.

 

[noknobs]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

You can only polish crap so many times but at the end of the day, err business day, it's still crap.

Neil and Paul of their heels dug in. I can't wait for all of this to end.

I don't want it to ever end, it's too entertaining.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

So is the offer sheet even valid if Kahn has no room to even offer it?

I don't see how it possibly could be.

 

[john2jer]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

What is your guess in how an Iggy trade would play out? You mean with us involved? I assume you can't trade for Iggy on your own.

At this point I don't have the slightest guess, but if we waive Miller/Webster to create room for Batum, and then miss out on Batum, we'd still have that room.

So maybe they offer Williams and/or Johnson plus a pick or two, and the obvious straight cap space. We'd have just short of $13mil in straight cap space, so adding either Williams or Johnson is enough to be able to take back all of Iggy's contract. With them amnesting Brand, and likely heading in a new direction, I'm sure they'd love the cap savings.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

So is the offer sheet even valid if Kahn has no room to even offer it?

That's what I've been screaming all day. You can't offer an offer sheet UNTIL you have room for the player to accept it. You can't say "4/45" and if Nic says "ok I'll sign", THEN waive players, renounce cap holds, etc. That's why we removed Hickson's QO before we told Hibbert we were offering the max.

Personally, unless stuff's gone on at the League Office that NO ONE's tweeted/written about, there's NO WAY they're going to have the space for a 4/46.5M offer today, tomorrow or next Wednesday. Even if Miller magically came off the books today, the most they could offer would be a starting salary of 9.5M, which would equal a 4/40.5M contract. And I don't think that can happen.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Kahn is as 'green' as Ndiaye.

 

[Blazinaway]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

That's what I've been screaming all day. You can't offer an offer sheet UNTIL you have room for the player to accept it. You can't say "4/45" and if Nic says "ok I'll sign", THEN waive players, renounce cap holds, etc. That's why we removed Hickson's QO before we told Hibbert we were offering the max.

Personally, unless stuff's gone on at the League Office that NO ONE's tweeted/written about, there's NO WAY they're going to have the space for a 4/46.5M offer today, tomorrow or next Wednesday. Even if Miller magically came off the books today, the most they could offer would be a starting salary of 9.5M, which would equal a 4/40.5M contract. And I don't think that can happen.

very nice work on this Brian and thanks, just makes Kahn's positioning sound like a whiny child and empty threat

 

[john2jer]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

That's what I've been screaming all day. You can't offer an offer sheet UNTIL you have room for the player to accept it. You can't say "4/45" and if Nic says "ok I'll sign", THEN waive players, renounce cap holds, etc. That's why we removed Hickson's QO before we told Hibbert we were offering the max.

Personally, unless stuff's gone on at the League Office that NO ONE's tweeted/written about, there's NO WAY they're going to have the space for a 4/46.5M offer today, tomorrow or next Wednesday. Even if Miller magically came off the books today, the most they could offer would be a starting salary of 9.5M, which would equal a 4/40.5M contract. And I don't think that can happen.

You forget that Kahn and Stern used to spoon. It will all get done for "basketball reasons".

 

[john2jer]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Let's assume for a second that it all works out, that the contract will fit.

What will Blazers fans take on the whole situation be when:
A. The Blazers match it.

or

B. The Blazers DON'T match it.

 

[Duckhook]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

That's what I've been screaming all day. You can't offer an offer sheet UNTIL you have room for the player to accept it. You can't say "4/45" and if Nic says "ok I'll sign", THEN waive players, renounce cap holds, etc. That's why we removed Hickson's QO before we told Hibbert we were offering the max.

Personally, unless stuff's gone on at the League Office that NO ONE's tweeted/written about, there's NO WAY they're going to have the space for a 4/46.5M offer today, tomorrow or next Wednesday. Even if Miller magically came off the books today, the most they could offer would be a starting salary of 9.5M, which would equal a 4/40.5M contract. And I don't think that can happen.

Thanks Brian. I know Olshey is no slouch and he hopefully knows this too. I'd love to see the league void the offer sheet after 3 days, and then we can deal with Batum ourselves.

 

[Eastoff]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Thanks Brian. I know Olshey is no slouch and he hopefully knows this too. I'd love to see the league void the offer sheet after 3 days, and then we can deal with Batum ourselves.

That's just it, there isn't actually an offer sheet yet.

 

[Blazinaway]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Let's assume for a second that it all works out, that the contract will fit.

What will Blazers fans take on the whole situation be when:
A. The Blazers match it.

or

B. The Blazers DON'T match it.

I am totally fine with matching, worst case is we can eventually trade him like denver did nene, or he performs very well and we are happy, no brainer IMO either way

 

[Nikolokolus]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Let's assume for a second that it all works out, that the contract will fit.

What will Blazers fans take on the whole situation be when:
A. The Blazers match it.

or

B. The Blazers DON'T match it.

Losing him for nothing wouldn't be great, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. If they match, its cool, because I kind of like him as a player.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Let's assume for a second that it all works out, that the contract will fit.

What will Blazers fans take on the whole situation be when:
A. The Blazers match it.

or

B. The Blazers DON'T match it.

If they don't intend to match though I would be disappointed that they didn't S&T. So I am guessing they will match or S&T.

Edit: I would S&T but extort as much as I could. If they match I won't be disappointed. It's just basketball. Hopefully he lives up to his contract.