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Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

My take on this regardless of whether or not Batum signs a QO, and whether or not Blazers match:

Kahn is similar to the Timbertrolls....... douchey.

Unless Portland bends over on a crappy trade (which doesn't appear to be happening)....
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

john2jer said:
Let's assume for a second that it all works out, that the contract will fit.

What will Blazers fans take on the whole situation be when:
A. The Blazers match it.

or

B. The Blazers DON'T match it.
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A, match
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Match is fine. Doesn't cripple, Nic's not horrible, can maybe improve a lot.

Don't match and let him walk? I'd be upset. He's an asset with value. But I don't think there's any way this happens.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

john2jer said:
Let's assume for a second that it all works out, that the contract will fit.

What will Blazers fans take on the whole situation be when:
A. The Blazers match it.

or

B. The Blazers DON'T match it.
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I will be fine either way... neither is an optimal outcome (signing him more cheaply or getting value for him would be better than the keep/lose options involved with a match) but I like him, he has upside, and we have a super-rich owner.... and we still have some cap space coming up, so overpaying him isn't the end of the world by any stretch.

Losing him for nothing wouldn't be too bad, either, because I'd be excited to see what the team could do with those cap dollars over the next few summers after this initial frenzy of (IMO) overpayment dies down.

Ed O.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

john2jer said:
Let's assume for a second that it all works out, that the contract will fit.

What will Blazers fans take on the whole situation be when:
A. The Blazers match it.

or

B. The Blazers DON'T match it.
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Are there unicorns in this fairytale?
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

RR7 said:
A, match
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Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear since a few of you guys miss-understood.

What would your take be if the matched?

ok, now what would your take be if they didn't match?

I have a feeling people's feelings on the situation will change depending on if it's matched or not. Little revisionist history going on... In the future that is... :dunno:
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

john2jer said:
Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear since a few of you guys miss-understood.

What would your take be if the matched?

ok, now what would your take be if they didn't match?

I have a feeling people's feelings on the situation will change depending on if it's matched or not. Little revisionist history going on... In the future that is... :dunno:
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Sorry, you were clear, I was multitasking and didn't fully read.

If we match, I'm very happy. If we don't match and just let him walk, I'll be pissed.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

I'd be fine if they matched

If they let him walk for nothing I would probably be ok as well because it would give us a lot of cap space to either A) Offer a FA next season. B) Complete a lopsided trade for a high salary this year or next off season.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

DaLincolnJones said:
Are there unicorns in this fairytale?
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It seems like a pretty straightforward and fair question to me... ASSUMING the Wolves sign him to an offer sheet (which will take some finagling, it looks like, but isn't crazy), there are two potential outcomes. S&T is unavailable. QO is unavailable. Cheaper contract is unavailable.

Two outcomes. It doesn't mean that those two outcomes are equally likely, but they both exist.

How would you, as a Blazers fan, react to each of them?

Ed O.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

john2jer said:
Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear since a few of you guys miss-understood.

What would your take be if the matched?

ok, now what would your take be if they didn't match?

I have a feeling people's feelings on the situation will change depending on if it's matched or not. Little revisionist history going on... In the future that is... :dunno:
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To be fair, its pretty obvious how most would feel on both accounts.

Match, we get to keep our player andlaugh at Kahn, could be we change our mocking t something like Klown, hmm, naw why fuck with something that works so well

Dont match, doubt it, but that does give us monies to play in the FA market abd weed through the guys that get released, make trades, no biggie
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

How is not matching a good outcome if S&T option that's been reported is essentially a non-guaranteed contract and a couple of draft picks? You keep your cap space with the S&T but you get some tradable assets.

An offer sheet without a match is not a good outcome. It may be palatable, but it means that Olsney overplayed his hand.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Ed O said:
It seems like a pretty straightforward and fair question to me... ASSUMING the Wolves sign him to an offer sheet (which will take some finagling, it looks like, but isn't crazy), there are two potential outcomes. S&T is unavailable. QO is unavailable. Cheaper contract is unavailable.

Two outcomes. It doesn't mean that those two outcomes are equally likely, but they both exist.

How would you, as a Blazers fan, react to each of them?

Ed O.
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yeah, I did come off a bit harsh, but thats like some goof ball sayin, so pretend we get howard...and Jordan is twenty five again..
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Zybot said:
How is not matching a good outcome if S&T option that's been reported is essentially a non-guaranteed contract and a couple of draft picks? You keep your cap space with the S&T but you get some tradable assets.

An offer sheet without a match is not a good outcome. It may be palatable, but it means that Olsney overplayed his hand.
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or could be that we never believeed that Nic was worth the amount that he gets offered? Kind of a moot point, Kahn cant make the reported offer at this time.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Zybot said:
How is not matching a good outcome if S&T option that's been reported is essentially a non-guaranteed contract and a couple of draft picks? You keep your cap space with the S&T but you get some tradable assets.

An offer sheet without a match is not a good outcome. It may be palatable, but it means that Olsney overplayed his hand.
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That's exactly my thinking.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

john2jer said:
Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear since a few of you guys miss-understood.

What would your take be if the matched?

ok, now what would your take be if they didn't match?

I have a feeling people's feelings on the situation will change depending on if it's matched or not. Little revisionist history going on... In the future that is... :dunno:
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No, actually pretty much everybody got what you sad and told your their feelings regarding each possibility.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

At this point I would call Nic on his cell and bypass his agent and say "Nic this whole process has been ridiculous, we see you as a valuable member of our future, and we are prepared to offer you a 5 year 50 million contract."

That would be about 1 million more a year than he is worth. But he would be locked in for 5 years. I think at this point he is tired of the whole thing as much as we are and the shiny new toy of Adelman/Rubio has worn off.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

DaLincolnJones said:
yeah, I did come off a bit harsh, but thats like some goof ball sayin, so pretend we get howard...and Jordan is twenty five again..
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Not even close to the same thing. Both of the options I present are possible and will be the choices that Olshey will have to pick from.

Howard will never play in Portland and Jordan will never be 25 again. You're the one living in fantasy land.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

john2jer said:
Wolves owner said it would be submited at the end of the business day today. Portland had until then if they wanted to do a S&T.
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Props to the TWolves for making one helpful move for this Blazers. This now gives Portland one more business day to sign free agents and makes uneven trades. Time to sign CJ Watson, any amnesty players or make a trade! Then resign Nic and call it good.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

Pinwheel1 said:
At this point I would call Nic on his cell and bypass his agent and say "Nic this whole process has been ridiculous, we see you as a valuable member of our future, and we are prepared to offer you a 5 year 50 million contract."

That would be about 1 million more a year than he is worth. But he would be locked in for 5 years. I think at this point he is tired of the whole thing as much as we are and the shiny new toy of Adelman/Rubio has worn off.
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I've argued over on RealGM that this is exactly what Olshey should have done a couple days ago when this all started getting messy.

Offer 5/50mil, but make as much of it front loaded as legally possible, thus conserving cap space for next summer. Money now is worth more than money later, so I'm sure Batum would be happier.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

john2jer said:
Not even close to the same thing. Both of the options I present are possible and will be the choices that Olshey will have to pick from.

Howard will never play in Portland and Jordan will never be 25 again. You're the one living in fantasy land.
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I understand what you want to believe, but it has already been proven that this mythical "offer" can not happen today, as Kahn has threatened, or for that matter for a min of what, seven days?

There is nothing to match.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

I expect this kind of foolishness from Kahn
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

If they matched I would be pleased but if they let batum walk I would just be a little saddened

How bout you wolves fans, how would you feel if Khan sheds players to make batik the offer but Portland matches?
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

by Chris Haynes, Trail Blazers Insider (@ChrisBHaynes)

Update 11:55am: Report from Jerry Zgoda of the Star Tribune is that the Timberwolves are holding on to the offer sheet until the end of the day before submitting it to the NBA. Gives Portland a little more time for a sign and trade. Batum has signed it, it just hasn't been turned in yet.

A source close to the situation has indicated Nic Batum has just signed a Minnesota offer sheet. The contract is for 4 years, $46.5 million. The Blazers now have 72 hours to match the offer.

Neil Olshey has previously indicated that the Blazers intend to match any offers for Batum. Now with a signed offer sheet, it will be time to see if the Blazers stick to that plan.


http://www.csnnw.com
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

you can only have 4.5% decreases each year, as well. So the difference between a "maximally front-loaded contract Year Two cap hit" and a "maximally back-loaded contract Year Two cap hit" is the diff b/w $10,445,054.95 and $9,628,440.37, or about 817k in cap space.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

john2jer said:
I've argued over on RealGM that this is exactly what Olshey should have done a couple days ago when this all started getting messy.

Offer 5/50mil, but make as much of it front loaded as legally possible, thus conserving cap space for next summer. Money now is worth more than money later, so I'm sure Batum would be happier.
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Olshey stated clearly yesterday that the Blazers wanted to negotiate with Nic's agent and Nic, but they were shut down
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

GOD said:
If they matched I would be pleased but if they let batum walk I would just be a little saddened

How bout you wolves fans, how would you feel if Khan sheds players to make batik the offer but Portland matches?
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As I said above, I'd be bummed because I really like Batum and I think he'd flourish playing for Adelman and with Rubio.

But I know we have a plan B & C in case that happens, so I won't be completely crushed. We're definitely not done with our offseason yet.
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

It's a close call either way. I'd prefer we sign him, just because I'm eager to put as much talent around Aldridge as we can while he's in his prime. But if it doesn't work out, I can see us being active again next summer.

I'm kind of surprised a guy who was drafted #2 in last year's draft is being bandied around as a reasonable trade option for Batum. I mean, I know he hasn't produced a lot of stats yet, but geez. I'd be happy with a trade straight across for Batum, with maybe one of their many point guards thrown in (because hell, we need them and they don't).
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

BrianFromWA said:
you can only have 4.5% decreases each year, as well. So the difference between a "maximally front-loaded contract Year Two cap hit" and a "maximally back-loaded contract Year Two cap hit" is the diff b/w $10,445,054.95 and $9,628,440.37, or about 817k in cap space.
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Why was Nick Collison's contract different then? What separates the two?
 
Re: Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million

The Wolves can't offer a 5th year.

There should be a thread started on the CBA/RFA/UFA. These rules have to be explained in every other post on this thread.
 
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