Haynes full of shit (no Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million) (confirmed)

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Brian FromWA ‏@brianfromwa
@jwquick. Pretty sure you're wrong about waivers. Read @LarryCoon FAQ #63. Webster/Miller comes off the team salary when they clr waivers.
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Coast541 said:
Brian, did you get confirmation on waiting 7 days? Quick still making it sound like the second they waive Web/Miller they can submit their offer sheet?

Jason Quick ‏@jwquick
Of course, those waivers can happen any second, but the 72 hour clock to match would not start until that happens, Nic signs, & POR receives
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Yeah man, Brian quoted the CBA rules in here ealier today
 
BrianFromWA said:
Yeah, here's the Coon quote (paren are my edits):
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Question. Now both Miller/Webster's contracts were non-guaranteed contracts that had to be waiver prior to June30th, but both were extended and changed to team option contracts. How does that affect the situation? They're not being waived, but rather terminated. I'm assuming the language of the contract changes how they're handled?

It was never clearly announced how the contracts were changed or extended because originally BOTH had to be waived by June 30th.

If they were changed to team options that had to be exercised by say August 1st, where are we at with this situation?
 
Pretty sure Quick knows, he's been calling that no offer sheet is ever submitted. Probably playing ho-hum until something final is announced, no point speculating like Haynes.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
Yeah man, Brian quoted the CBA rules in here ealier today
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yeah I knew I had read it, and saw his tweet earlier, but I couldn't find it so I just wanted to confirm. besides, he has been sending these out, yet nobody retweets, than they end up tweeting later thanking someone else for the info that is only partially correct. :lol
 
john2jer said:
Question. Now both Miller/Webster's contracts were non-guaranteed contracts that had to be waiver prior to June30th, but both were extended and changed to team option contracts. How does that affect the situation? They're not being waived, but rather terminated. I'm assuming the language of the contract changes how they're handled?

It was never clearly announced how the contracts were changed or extended because originally BOTH had to be waived by June 30th.

If they were changed to team options that had to be exercised by say August 1st, where are we at with this situation?
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Good question. That could be right.
 
john2jer said:
Question. Now both Miller/Webster's contracts were non-guaranteed contracts that had to be waiver prior to June30th, but both were extended and changed to team option contracts. How does that affect the situation? They're not being waived, but rather terminated. I'm assuming the language of the contract changes how they're handled?

It was never clearly announced how the contracts were changed or extended because originally BOTH had to be waived by June 30th.

If they were changed to team options that had to be exercised by say August 1st, where are we at with this situation?
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My gut feel is that it falls under this aspect, since the moratorium's already occurred and we're in "new season":
The only way to terminate a contract early (other than with an ETO -- see question number 57) is through the waiver process.
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Since it's a "Team Option" and not a "ETO", then I think that clause applies.

BTW, if you have any info on the mechanism of them moving the date, I'd love to see it. The most I could gather was that the non-guarantee date was "moved to facilitate trades".
 
Zybot said:
Good question. That could be right.
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Like I said before, Kahn NEEDS this to not blow up in his face. Portland matching is one thing, but for it to completely collapse because he screwed up the CBA is NOT an option for him. No free agent would ever go to Minnesota again, they'd be the laughing stock, and Love would be packing his bags.

Now granted, Kahn deserves to be ripped for many things, his draft record and big mouth definitely, but as I mentioned above, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on the terms of the deal, simply because his career and reputation are completely on the life. You don't risk everything unless you know something.

Most of the time anyways...
 
john2jer said:
Like I said before, Kahn NEEDS this to not blow up in his face. Portland matching is one thing, but for it to completely collapse because he screwed up the CBA is NOT an option for him. No free agent would ever go to Minnesota again, they'd be the laughing stock, and Love would be packing his bags.

Now granted, Kahn deserves to be ripped for many things, his draft record and big mouth definitely, but as I mentioned above, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on the terms of the deal, simply because his career and reputation are completely on the life. You don't risk everything unless you know something.

Most of the time anyways...
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If he really is giving up on Batum and moving on to Courtney Lee then I think it has blown up in his face. There can be no spin job on that.
 
john2jer said:
Like I said before, Kahn NEEDS this to not blow up in his face. Portland matching is one thing, but for it to completely collapse because he screwed up the CBA is NOT an option for him. No free agent would ever go to Minnesota again, they'd be the laughing stock, and Love would be packing his bags.

Now granted, Kahn deserves to be ripped for many things, his draft record and big mouth definitely, but as I mentioned above, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on the terms of the deal, simply because his career and reputation are completely on the life. You don't risk everything unless you know something.

Most of the time anyways...
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I have to give you credit, you are loyal to a fault, like many in here, self included.
 
BrianFromWA said:
My gut feel is that it falls under this aspect, since the moratorium's already occurred and we're in "new season":
Since it's a "Team Option" and not a "ETO", then I think that clause applies.

BTW, if you have any info on the mechanism of them moving the date, I'd love to see it. The most I could gather was that the non-guarantee date was "moved to facilitate trades".
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Other than it being reported on the radio, no not really. They never fully explained it. Google search I'm just finding talk of an option deadline, which I assume means a delayed team option.

ETOs are player only decisions.
 
Correct. So I don't see how the mechanism of terminating the contract to keep the non-guaranteed money non-guaranteed can bypass the waiver process.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Correct. So I don't see how the mechanism of terminating the contract to keep the non-guaranteed money non-guaranteed can bypass the waiver process.
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That's what I'm saying though. Maybe they're team options that have to be exercised by August 1st? If they're not exercised they just become an UFA, no waiver process, hello cap space. Or they could be exercised and they become ~$5mil expiring contracts to be used in an Iggy trade?

Honestly, the whole thing became extremely vague when they extended the time frame, so I'm just kicking ideas around.
 
Well, if that's the case, then you're stuck. Step one of the buyout process is waivers.
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(Buyouts)They do this by mutually agreeing that:

The team will waive the player
If the player clears waivers, the player's guaranteed salary will be reduced or eliminated (see question number 62)
In contracts signed or extended under the previous CBA, the payment schedule for the remaining salary may be shortened or lengthened (see question number 63)
Optionally the team's set-off rights (see question number 64) may be waived
After the player clears waivers, he and his former team are free to go their separate ways.
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Quick firing shots!!!!!

@jwquick: Can't decide if David Kahn is desperate, dumb or merely dogged in his pursuit of Nicolas Batum. Can't doubt his effort, that's for sure.

We may or not be a playoff team, but this offseason sure has been entertaining.
 
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ironcrotch said:
Quick firing shots!!!!!

@jwquick: Can't decide if David Kahn is desperate, dumb or merely dogged in his pursuit of Nicolas Batum. Can't doubt his effort, that's for sure.

We may or not be a playoff team, but this offseason sure has been entertaining.
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Sly Poker Dog ‏@SlyPokerDog @jwquick Dwight @dwightjaynes has a source that says Kahn has handled this perfectly & is the greatest GM in the history of the NBA!
 
In not saying it's a buyout though. Team options. Miller's retiring, and is rumored to come back as a coach, so he doesn't care. Webster has a chance to have his option picked up and get paid $5mil next year, which he'll never get as a free agent.
 
john2jer said:
In not saying it's a buyout though. Team options. Miller's retiring, and is rumored to come back as a coach, so he doesn't care. Webster has a chance to have his option picked up and get paid $5mil next year, which he'll never get as a free agent.
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so in that case wouldn't he have to have a cap hold or be counted against the cap, can'tt see how they get around that
 
Dwight Jaynes is one bummed out guy that this isn't going well for Kahn.
 
I'm not disputing any of that. What I'm trying to say is that you can't just say "I hereby 'decline to pick up your option'/'waive you'/'decide I'm only paying you your guaranteed money' without going through the waiver process. Even (as I'm reading more about amnesty) Darko's amnesty savings going to be held up until he clears waivers. I'm not saying you can't offer Nic a contract next Thursday...I'm saying you can't offer him one TODAY.
 
yes until they declined their options. not a buyout no 1 is waived. straight cap space homie
 
Today was gonna be the day
Kahn was gonna sign Nic Batum.

By now, he should've somehow
Realized what he's gotta do.

Ed O.
 
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