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I have no clue what the hell is going on. So Miller/Webster have to clear waivers (7 day wait) no matter what happens? So we have to wait at least 7 days until the wolves can actually have the cap space to offer Batum the contract?
 
Rhal said:
I have no clue what the hell is going on. So Miller/Webster have to clear waivers (7 day wait) no matter what happens? So we have to wait at least 7 days until the wolves can actually have the cap space to offer Batum the contract?
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And that's something that has yet to be initiated on Kahn's part ... right?
 
Joe Freeman ‏@BlazerFreeman

#Blazers GM Neil Olshey did not indicate whether the teams are engaged in a sign and trade.

Joe Freeman ‏@BlazerFreeman

At this moment, the #Blazers have not received an offer sheet from Minnesota revealing a deal to sign RFA Nicolas Batum.
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Nikolokolus said:
And that's something that has yet to be initiated on Kahn's part ... right?
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the best info I have....this is correct. If someone sees a tweet or article talking about waiving them, I'd be happy to see it.
 
Rhal said:
I have no clue what the hell is going on. So Miller/Webster have to clear waivers (7 day wait) no matter what happens? So we have to wait at least 7 days until the wolves can actually have the cap space to offer Batum the contract?
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to the best of my knowledge, yes.
 
Just gives us more time to use our cap space. Pretty hilarious actually.
 
Jason Quick ‏@jwquick

Have to think either Blazers mulling a S&T offer or MIN is getting cold feet about waiving players to making offer they know will be matched


OR, they are just figuring out that they can't really do this deal now because they don't understand the CBA? AND, they can't concentrate over the sound of Olshey laughing at them?
 
Reep said:
Jason Quick ‏@jwquick

Have to think either Blazers mulling a S&T offer or MIN is getting cold feet about waiving players to making offer they know will be matched
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I think that's my favorite part. They have to let three players go to even be able to make the offer, but they know the offer profits them nothing, so they have to balance the opportunity cost of the waivers with the benefit of forcing us to overpay. It seems they're figuring this out.
 
BrianFromWA said:
to the best of my knowledge, yes.
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As far as I know, until we pick up their options, the full amount does not count against the cap. If we do nothing then their options are not picked up and only the guaranteed portion of their contracts count against us.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I think that's my favorite part. They have to let three players go to even be able to make the offer, but they know the offer profits them nothing, so they have to balance the opportunity cost of the waivers with the benefit of forcing us to overpay. It seems they're figuring this out.
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It's not a waiver, it's a matter of not picking up their options. They do not have fully guaranteed contracts counting against our cap.
 
Ricky Business said:
As far as I know, until we pick up their options, the full amount does not count against the cap. If we do nothing then their options are not picked up and only the guaranteed portion of their contracts count against us.
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I think BFW has been extremely thorough and precise with his citation of why they need to use the waiver process. He could be wrong, but so far nobody has been able to find anything reliable disputing his position.
 
Reep said:
Jason Quick ‏@jwquick

Have to think either Blazers mulling a S&T offer or MIN is getting cold feet about waiving players to making offer they know will be matched


OR, they are just figuring out that they can't really do this deal now because they don't understand the CBA? AND, they can't concentrate over the sound of Olshey laughing at them?
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Not just Olshey, its the entire league.

Can you imagine what any player with half a brain is thinking about the Tpups...
 
Ricky Business said:
It's not a waiver, it's a matter of not picking up their options. They do not have fully guaranteed contracts counting against our cap.
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A non guaranteed contract is still a contract that has to be waived. The only way to avoid the waiver is an ETO, but that's a player option per the sources cited by BFW.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
Not just Olshey, its the entire league.

Can you imagine what any player with half a brain is thinking about the Tpups...
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Let's be honest, players don't give a shit about David Kahn's ability to understand the CBA. The only reason they would want to go there (or not?) comes down to 3 things. 1. Chance to win. 2. Quality of the coach. and 3. Money ... and money ... and money.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
Not just Olshey, its the entire league.

Can you imagine what any player with half a brain is thinking about the Tpups...
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This is why I'm finding this hard to believe. Can a front office really be that inept? All jokes aside, this is kind of a basic part of their job. If BFW is right and this blows up on them, how in the world can the owner not clean out the front office and start over?
 
Nikolokolus said:
Let's be honest, players don't give a shit about David Kahn's ability to understand the CBA. The only reason they would want to go there (or not?) comes down to 3 things. 1. Chance to win. 2. Quality of the coach. and 3. Money ... and money ... and money.
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you forgot about the mosquito bites and frostbite.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Let's be honest, players don't give a shit about David Kahn's ability to understand the CBA. The only reason they would want to go there (or not?) comes down to 3 things. 1. Chance to win. 2. Quality of the coach. and 3. Money ... and money ... and money.
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with the first being the chance to win, would you take into consideration the teams ability to bring together quality players?

Not like us small market teams are a vacation destination..
 
Reep said:
This is why I'm finding this hard to believe. Can a front office really be that inept? All jokes aside, this is kind of a basic part of their job. If BFW is right and this blows up on them, how in the world can the owner not clean out the front office and start over?
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I does make one wonder..but, damn, this has been fun as hell to watch the melt down. I would love to be a sports reporter in the Tpups market, this is just too easy to poke fun at
 
I'm starting to come around to what RickyBusiness is saying about "team options". If I'm reading this article correctly, the 2012/2013 year on these contracts essentially doesn't exist yet. The team has to exercise the option for the contract to exist for this year, which means there's nothing to "terminate" or "waive". If they decline the option, that would take effect immediately.

I don't think the 7-day waiver period applies here.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I'm starting to come around to what RickyBusiness is saying about "team options". If I'm reading this article correctly, the 2012/2013 year on these contracts essentially doesn't exist yet. The team has to exercise the option for the contract to exist for this year, which means there's nothing to "terminate" or "waive". If they decline the option, that would take effect immediately.

I don't think the 7-day waiver period applies here.
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I understand too, but it conflicts with the ETO language in the FAQ. It could be wrong, or it could be right. I'm hoping BFW is right, because that would be hilarious.
 
I may have missed something, but I was under the impression that declining the option, is in fact waiving your rights to the optional season etc etc etc
 
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q64

For example, if a player has a $6 million salary with $3 million guaranteed and is waived 1/3 through the season, then $3 million (reflecting the 50% that is guaranteed) continues to be included in the team salary.
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Since we are releasing them before the season with their salary only partially guaranteed then only the salary that is guaranteed is counted against our cap.
 
Ricky Business said:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q64



Since we are releasing them before the season with their salary only partially guaranteed then only the salary that is guaranteed is counted against our cap.
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That's not the issue though. Minny can waive him and he won't count against Minny's cap, but BFW is saying he has to clear waivers first before the cap # is adjusted.
 
Ricky Business said:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q64



Since we are releasing them before the season with their salary only partially guaranteed then only the salary that is guaranteed is counted against our cap.
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While this is true, you still have to wait for them to be waived for the money to go away from the cap. So Miller is worth 5mill at the moment and when you waive him and his non guaranteed contract when he is off the waiver he will indeed count 0 towards your cap. You still have to wait the 7 day waiver process though.
 
Ricky Business said:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q64



Since we are releasing them before the season with their salary only partially guaranteed then only the salary that is guaranteed is counted against our cap.
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Teams and players may negotiate a waiver of the team's set-off rights. Typically this is done when a contract is altered as part of a buyout (see question number 65), but not at other times.


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also per your link
 
Zybot said:
I understand too, but it conflicts with the ETO language in the FAQ. It could be wrong, or it could be right. I'm hoping BFW is right, because that would be hilarious.
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The portion of the CBA FAQ that Brian has been quoting relates specifically to termination of a contract. An ETO is a mechanism that gives the player the right to cancel an in-force contract, which is why it is mentioned.

Team options and player options, by contrast, are mechanisms that allow a player or team to enact a tentative portion of a contract. Because that portion of the contract is not yet in-force until the option is exercised, then the choice not to exercise the option does not constitute a termination of a contract, because there is, in effect, no contract to terminate.
 
Danny Ainge is to Pritchslapped as Kahn is to Olsheyanalfisted
 
DaLincolnJones said:
•If a player is waived with non-guaranteed salary, his non-guaranteed salary comes off the team salary when he clears waivers

per your link
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I seen that after I posted but now I also noticed this:

A player released July 1 to August 14 stays "on waivers" for seven days. A player released between August 15 and June 30 of the following year stays on waivers for 48 hours.
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I wonder if that is part of what the Wolves extended?

I am under the impression that they know something that we don't. After all, Taylor is the Chairman of NBA Board of Governors so he had a big part in putting the CBA together.
 
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