Haynes full of shit (no Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million) (confirmed)

[Mote]

No it is not, they are\were both being paid more than what they gave you on the court with the hopes that they justify the contract you gave them.....

I like Batum's age and play on the court much more than the Miles that was given that ridiculous contract by POR....

But at $11.5 mil? POR is paying him more than he has justified by his play on the court and hoping that he lives up the contract....

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If you ever acquire the foresight to match you'll have something to talk about. Still, you are comparing the proverbial "apples to oranges" as you have no clue to what is expected from management. Miles was supposed to be a steal that could be the teams #1 option if they could correct his tendency to be a head case. Nic, by his pay scale at 11+/- mm per year is only expected to be a #3 option and if the Portland Trailblazers are very fortunate #2 option. As HCP said, "Find me what all the SF in the league make and lets compare talent and $$$".

 

[THE HCP]

#50-41 PER last season.......

 

[Blaze01]

Would signing Harden to a max\near max deal be "hindsight"?

Given that he has clearly shown his worth on the court....I would think not....There is the difference, paying a guy who has SHOWN that he is worth that type of money instead of paying a guy who after 4 years you hope can still develop into that guy....

and Batum a #3 option? Again, your paying him that money and hoping that he can become such a player b\c he clearly is not that...

4 years of 15-20 one night and 4-6 the next...That isn't a reliable 3rd option and not wiorth $11.5mil IMO...

I know it is all great to be an optimistic fan and all, but there is a lot of Lillard is going to be a #1/#2 type guy and Batum is going to be a #3 type guy going around here...you know and maybe those if's come true...more often than not though, they do not....

 

[THE HCP]

#40-21

 

[THE HCP]

#20-1

 

[THE HCP]

Is it me or is Nic one of the better SF in the NBA? I understand PER rankings have their flaws, but it is a pretty good way to judge a player's value. He's 23 and I don't mind the we over pay to keep one of the best up and coming SFs in the game.

 

[Blaze01]

#50-40 PER last season.......

and?

I am sure MIA was pretty damm happy with the 49th ranked SF in per during the playoffs....Has Nic had such an impact come playoff time during his stint in POR?????

Maybe PER doesn't mean everything.....

 

[THE HCP]

and?

I am sure MIA was pretty damm happy with the 49th ranked SF in per during the playoffs....Has Nic had such an impact come playoff time during his stint in POR?????

Maybe PER doesn't mean everything.....

Would the Heat have been better with Nic at the 3 or Battier?

 

[Blaze01]

Would the Heat have been better with Nic at the 3 or Battier?

Based on Batum's production in 3 seperate playoff series, is that even a serious question?

Not saying Battier is the greatest SF ever, but Batum has been a ghost through many of the playoff games he was in with POR...

 

[Mote]

Would signing Harden to a max\near max deal be "hindsight"?

Given that he has clearly shown his worth on the court....I would think not....There is the difference, paying a guy who has SHOWN that he is worth that type of money instead of paying a guy who after 4 years you hope can still develop into that guy....

and Batum a #3 option? Again, your paying him that money and hoping that he can become such a player b\c he clearly is not that...

4 years of 15-20 one night and 4-6 the next...That isn't a reliable 3rd option and not wiorth $11.5mil IMO...

I know it is all great to be an optimistic fan and all, but there is a lot of Lillard is going to be a #1/#2 type guy and Batum is going to be a #3 type guy going around here...you know and maybe those if's come true...more often than not though, they do not....

I appreciate your opinion. Now you need to let the forum know what attainable player you would have the Blazers acquire that will be a better option than Nic for 11mm per year.

 

[THE HCP]

Based on Batum's production in 3 seperate playoff series, is that even a serious question?

You are the one that brought up Battier....... Of the 30 teams in the NBA, how many do you think would rather have Shane as their starting SF next season over Nic?

 

[Rhal]

Would the Heat have been better with Nic at the 3 or Battier?

I'd actually go Battier for last years playoffs, he is one cool cat under pressure.

 

[Blaze01]

How about Harden at a max level deal next year?


Josh Smith is a UFA next year....

 

[GoBlazersGo]

You are the one that brought up Battier....... Of the 30 teams in the NBA, how many do you think would rather have Shane as their starting SF next season over Nic?

No reply, "Blaze?" Oh, let me guess, HCP's post kind of, you know, actually started to put things in perspective for you a bit!? Can we please get another one of your anti-Lillard rants, for future reference?

 

[GoBlazersGo]

How about Harden at a max level deal next year?

Yeah, and it's not like thay wouldn't be matched by Oklahoma City--just like Hibbert's contract and Indiana--right!?

LOL!

/smirk

 

[Mote]

How about Harden at a max level deal next year?


Josh Smith is a UFA next year....

I asked for an "attainable" option right now. Harden or Smith would be an upgrade, but what would be the chance of acquiring their services and at what cost would they come. You seem to be undervaluing Nic's talent and overestimating the chance at future options.

 

[Rhal]

How about Harden at a max level deal next year?


Josh Smith is a UFA next year....

I'm not sold on Harden anymore, I have a lot of questions about what happens when he is the focus of the best defender on the opposing team. At the moment i'd offer him a Max contract in a heartbeat (every other team that can offer him a max will so there is no guarantee he would even choose us) but I can't say i'll have the same feeling after the playoffs next year.
Love Josh Smith, if LA wanted to play the 5 he would be awesome and i'd much rather have Lillard/Wes/Claver/Smith/LMA then Lillard/Wes/Batum/LMA/Freeland. I bet he demands a max and someone pays him it.

 

[Blaze01]

You are the one that brought up Battier....... Of the 30 teams in the NBA, how many do you think would rather have Shane as their starting SF next season over Nic?

So now we are going to play the "If all things were equal" game?

You know, not accounting for salaries...other players on the team...roles etc?

Would MIA rather have Batum than Battier? That is a tough one ...at Battier's salary? Yeah I think they would, you see b\c they already have thier big 3 players...and Batum could be that 4th or 5th wheel and at $3million, well, Batum is a heck of a deal...I think they would do that

Now if we don't want to play that game and instead say, Would MIA want Batum over Battier at his $11.5mil\year salary...and by doing that, probably having to say goodbye to one of Bosh or Wade, b\c they cannot afford all 4 at that type of money now can they? Well...I think they would probably say no, don't you? Battier even at his lowly 49th rank in PER, can suffice at that position....and they just proved that to be true...

and that is the crux of the issue here, because at $11.5\year you are paying him to be one of your 3 best players...and you are counting on those 3 players who you pay most of that money too, to be better than other teams best players....

 

[Blaze01]

No reply, "Blaze?" Oh, let me guess, HCP's post kind of, you know, actually started to put things in perspective for you a bit!? Can we please get another one of your anti-Lillard rants, for future reference?

No, not really...

 

[Blaze01]

I'm not sold on Harden anymore, I have a lot of questions about what happens when he is the focus of the best defender on the opposing team. At the moment i'd offer him a Max contract in a heartbeat (every other team that can offer him a max will so there is no guarantee he would even choose us) but I can't say i'll have the same feeling after the playoffs next year.
Love Josh Smith, if LA wanted to play the 5 he would be awesome and i'd much rather have Lillard/Wes/Claver/Smith/LMA then Lillard/Wes/Batum/LMA/Freeland. I bet he demands a max and someone pays him it.

I agree in part about Harden, but my point was I think that he has shown more to be worthy of a big deal than Batum has to date, and he is younger too, right? To pry him away from OKC is probably going to take a max deal, I agree there....

 

[GoBlazersGo]

No, not really...

LOL, sooooo predictable... easier than a freshman girl on prom night!

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

"taureen green will win us 4 games this year"

nate mccwhateverz

I get it now.

 

[Blaze01]

I asked for an "attainable" option right now. Harden or Smith would be an upgrade, but what would be the chance of acquiring their services and at what cost would they come. You seem to be undervaluing Nic's talent and overestimating the chance at future options.

You asked for an attainable option, I gave you 2...and now you want to preface it by saying this year...Maybe they stop gap it this year to bridge to next, they are rebuilding, right? Maybe they get MIN to come to thier senses and trade D-Will for Batum and put him there...Maybe they use that space not taken by Batum and take a player on a larger contract at midseason...Lots of options...

I am not undervaluing him, I think if Roy & Oden had remained healthy he was perfectly set up as that 4th-5th guy...Had all things gone according to plan and Roy and Oden were here and healthy and POR had to pay that money to keep Batum and likely pay luxury tax etc, I would have said match it...b\c you are in a win now mode...but rebuilding, I would rather see POR go after a another big time FA next year like a Harden or J.Smith or use that cap space to absorb a player via trade, than lock themselves into a guy who has not shown play worthy of that type of money...

 

[Blaze01]

LOL, sooooo predictable... easier than a freshman girl on prom night!

So either you are in high school or an older guy who likes to prey on young girls...


good to know...

Yeah, and it's not like thay wouldn't be matched by Oklahoma City--just like Hibbert's contract and Indiana--right!?

3 max contracts by OKC? Under the new CBA? I am sure you know how much that could potentially cost them, right?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

OKC is going to be in a bind.

The market has been set for Ibaka and he'll easily get a max deal from someone, same with Harden.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

One of their beatwriters chimes in:

Jerry Zgoda ‏@JerryZgoda
@RF_1000 there is no position for rec gordon. All Phoenix did was negotiate for the Hornets

Wowie ‏@RF_1000
@JerryZgoda is that what the #Wolves did for Portland?

Jerry Zgoda ‏@JerryZgoda
@RF_1000 yes, pretty much

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Goran Dragic got signed to a pretty affordable deal

He did. But Lillard costs less. And he'll be better. From Day one? No, but this kid has it. I honestly believe he's a B-Roy, but of PG's. I haven't been this excited about a Blazers rook in years.

 

[Mote]

You asked for an attainable option, I gave you 2...and now you want to preface it by saying this year...Maybe they stop gap it this year to bridge to next, they are rebuilding, right? Maybe they get MIN to come to thier senses and trade D-Will for Batum and put him there...Maybe they use that space not taken by Batum and take a player on a larger contract at midseason...Lots of options...

I am not undervaluing him, I think if Roy & Oden had remained healthy he was perfectly set up as that 4th-5th guy...Had all things gone according to plan and Roy and Oden were here and healthy and POR had to pay that money to keep Batum and likely pay luxury tax etc, I would have said match it...b\c you are in a win now mode...but rebuilding, I would rather see POR go after a another big time FA next year like a Harden or J.Smith or use that cap space to absorb a player via trade, than lock themselves into a guy who has not shown play worthy of that type of money...

Nice straw man argument. And by the way, we are talking about this year. Running any company on ifs, ands or buts is a sure way to find yourself going backwards. The market is what it is and it has to be dealt with accordingly. The odds of the Blazers attaining the service of Harden or Smith are about as good as Minny attaining the services of Nic. The question is what will the cost be and would it be worth the price. Cap space is always imaginary for a small market team until you find a player that believes in the operation and financial benefits it provides. If, and it's a big IF, next year paints that kind of picture for a potential free agent, I would hope that player would be of a larger presence than Harden or Smith.

 

[Rhal]

So either you are in high school or an older guy who likes to prey on young girls...


good to know...



3 max contracts by OKC? Under the new CBA? I am sure you know how much that could potentially cost them, right?

OKC wont let Harden go into FA, same with illblockya, they can get nuts value for trading them before.

 

[MickZagger]

How about Harden at a max level deal next year?


Josh Smith is a UFA next year....

Cool idea.

But, what makes you think Josh Smith would choose Portland? What selling points. He's a natural 4, do you think he wants to backup Aldridge?