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calvin natt said:
Chip Kelly was ahead of his time too. Then everyone caught up. He has not done anything since
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That is a valid point. MDA is now--what--70 years old? It isn't an age renowned for revolutionary thinking. So maybe he may not continue to be cutting edge. But I still think he has a lot of cred.
 
To me, hiring a retread - a veteran coach who goes from job to job, does fine, but not title winning, is a cop out. It gives a GM and team the chance to say "well he was an experienced guy who won before, so it wasnt a bad hire'. They need to go the way of Memphis with Taylor Jenkins, Borrego/Charlotte, Nurse, Kerr, etc. Yes, Nate M and Thibs have worked out for Atlanta and NYK - for now. We will see if they have long term success. It can work, but I don't want to see it personally. Even Quinn Snyder, his HC experience was college and G league, and was more than ready for Utah. Its all a crap shoot, but its just my preference this time around.
 
I'm hearing that the next coach of the Blazers will have basketball experience and probably played it when they were a kid.
 
I'm pretty sure we're going to get a rookie head coach....the only retreads that I'm interested are already employed, Spoelstra, Nurse, Popovich Snyder and Monty Williams.
 
SVG apparently had 3 yrs left on his deal on 5 mil per.

Maybe their owner will cheap out and not pay out the nose for a good candidate.
 
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crandc said:
This idea that Hammon can't be fired even if she is awful seems predicated on the conviction she will fail but team can't fire a woman because she might cry or something.

Bull.

There are no secrets in the NBA. Everyone knows when a team underachieved, when the coach has lost the team, or when a coach is on the hot seat despite being liked by team (Stotts).

People who have worked with Hammon say she is ready now and will succeed. If she fails the world will know.

She should be hired. Qualified, respected, no baggage.
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100% there are secrets in the NBA. When Mark Jackson got fired in GS, there were secrets/reasons why that nobody knew about. Maybe Hammon will become a HC, become a hard working, humble, appropriate, professional coach.
 
illmatic99 said:
no coach is going to take a job because of a fanbase.

dame's future here isn't set in stone. probably not going anywhere, but who knows for certain?

I'd rank the openings:

1. Pelicans
2a/2b. Boston/Portland
4. Orlando
5. Indiana
6. Washington
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The Knicks have sold coaches on the fanbase at the Garden forever...not because they had a great roster...
 
calvin natt said:
To me, hiring a retread - a veteran coach who goes from job to job, does fine, but not title winning, is a cop out. It gives a GM and team the chance to say "well he was an experienced guy who won before, so it wasnt a bad hire'. They need to go the way of Memphis with Taylor Jenkins, Borrego/Charlotte, Nurse, Kerr, etc. Yes, Nate M and Thibs have worked out for Atlanta and NYK - for now. We will see if they have long term success. It can work, but I don't want to see it personally. Even Quinn Snyder, his HC experience was college and G league, and was more than ready for Utah. Its all a crap shoot, but its just my preference this time around.
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Yeah I agree we should be looking for someone fresh, but what if hiring a retread is about appeasing Dame? He did say he wanted experience no?
 
crandc said:
This idea that Hammon can't be fired even if she is awful seems predicated on the conviction she will fail but team can't fire a woman because she might cry or something.
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That's not it at all. I have concerns that if she ended up not being a good fit, the team would hang onto her longer than they should because they are afraid of the bad optics of firing the first woman head coach.

We have a small window where Dame is still in his prime, and I'm fearful that we could lose a large chunk of the next 4-5 years because the team seams to take a really damn long time to fire their coaches. As I mentioned in my original post, it took them nine years to fire Stotts, despite the fact that it was painfully clear that he was a mediocre coach. I think the team would be much quicker in moving on from Billups if he ended up being a bad fit, while it would probably take them longer to move on from Hammon if she ended up being a bad fit because they don't want the negative press.
 
Scalma said:
Yeah I agree we should be looking for someone fresh, but what if hiring a retread is about appeasing Dame? He did say he wanted experience no?
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If Billups was one of his preferences, I dont think so. Neil needs to make the best hire ultimately, with Dame input, but Neil also needs to explain to Damian why other coaches are great picks to do the job. Sell Dame on it if the next coach isnt on dame's wish list.
 
calvin natt said:
100% there are secrets in the NBA. When Mark Jackson got fired in GS, there were secrets/reasons why that nobody knew about. Maybe Hammon will become a HC, become a hard working, humble, appropriate, professional coach.
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Unquestionably hard working, appropriate and professional. Humble can go hang.
Yes, there were rumbles about Mark Jackson.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That's not it at all. I have concerns that if she ended up not being a good fit, the team would hang onto her longer than they should because they are afraid of the bad optics of firing the first woman head coach.

We have a small window where Dame is still in his prime, and I'm fearful that we could lose a large chunk of the next 4-5 years because the team seams to take a really damn long time to fire their coaches. As I mentioned in my original post, it took them nine years to fire Stotts, despite the fact that it was painfully clear that he was a mediocre coach. I think the team would be much quicker in moving on from Billups if he ended up being a bad fit, while it would probably take them longer to move on from Hammon if she ended up being a bad fit because they don't want the negative press.
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Except we now have a woman owner. So a woman owner firing the first woman coach is not bad optics.
 
calvin natt said:
You think Vogel is doing great in LA? Hm. Newsflash they arent winning because of Frank fucking Vogel.
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he's an average coach, but like many others will ride the wave of hangin around a few because of the cship.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Except we now have a woman owner. So a woman owner firing the first woman coach is not bad optics.
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and a woman director of basketball strategy.

i still don't agree with the premise, nor do i really care. are we really gonna make the hire based on how easy/difficult it is to fire them? that should not even be a criteria.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Except we now have a woman owner. So a woman owner firing the first woman coach is not bad optics.
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Eh..... doubtful.

Here's the problem, I think Dame can carry this team to the 8th seed no matter who's coaching. So let's say Becky comes on but she's all the horrible awful things that Calvin Natt said she is. But the team has a winning record. No better than when Stotts was here, but it's a winning record. How does the team fire her? They'd have to wait at a minimum 2-3 years, probably more on the 3+ years side before they could fire her and not look horrible. There will definitely be politics in play if you hire her. It's sad but true.

And I like her. I think she's going to be a great head coach, but that doesn't assuage my fears that if it doesn't work out, we could be stuck with her for most of the rest of Dame's prime.
 
crandc said:
Unquestionably hard working, appropriate and professional. Humble can go hang.
Yes, there were rumbles about Mark Jackson.
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I still think she replaces POP, and soon, maybe another year. If she wasn't interested in doing so, why would she still be there? Its possible, her, Pop and Org have a proposed succession plan in place.
 
illmatic99 said:
are we really gonna make the hire based on how easy/difficult it is to fire them? that should not even be a criteria.
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You don't think that should be a criteria after we just spent 3-4 years longer than necessary on a head coach that CLEARLY wasn't going to get it done? And with only maybe 4-5 years of Dame being one of the top players in the league? You don't think that should be something that's considered?
 
Natebishop3 said:
You don't think that should be a criteria after we just spent 3-4 years longer than necessary on a head coach that CLEARLY wasn't going to get it done? And with only maybe 4-5 years of Dame being one of the top players in the league? You don't think that should be something that's considered?
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no. how about we do our due diligence on the interview and hire the right person in the first place?

even then, i don't agree that it will be difficult. there's enough ways to leak info to the media now to make it very public if she flames out due to legit reasons.
 
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crandc said:
This idea that Hammon can't be fired even if she is awful seems predicated on the conviction she will fail but team can't fire a woman because she might cry or something.

Bull.

There are no secrets in the NBA. Everyone knows when a team underachieved, when the coach has lost the team, or when a coach is on the hot seat despite being liked by team (Stotts).

People who have worked with Hammon say she is ready now and will succeed. If she fails the world will know.

She should be hired. Qualified, respected, no baggage.
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I don't know that Hammon "should be hired"; there are a number of excellent assistant coaches that have as good of qualifications as her. She definitely deserves to be a real candidate. If she does get hired she deserves the same respect and criticisms as any man who's coached.

Nobody today would say a coach's future results will be judged differently because of their race, or nationality, or sexual preference. It's a bigoted view that posters on this board are saying judgement would be different because she is a woman.
 
illmatic99 said:
no. how about we do our due diligence on the interview and hire the right person in the first place?

even then, i don't agree that it will be difficult. there's enough ways to leak info to the media now to make it very public if she flames out due to legit reasons.
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And really, if we flame out, Olshey is gone. At that point, it's easy for the new GM to want to bring in their own coach.
 
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