Hedo Doubters...Some Perspective

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MAS RipCity

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Kevin Pritchard has done nothing to this point that has failed. Every "questionable" move so far has turned out justifiable at the least, at best it's been golden. Ultimately Kevin Pritchard has what's best for this team on his mind more than any one of us, so when people ask why certain deals weren't made at the deadline, I tell them ultimately if a deal would have come that would have made our team better, I trust that KP would have pulled the trigger.
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In KP We Trust
 
Oh its on....

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We didn't win a championship yet. So until we do we can't say whether anything has succeeded or not. No one considers us serious title contenders at this point either. We are in the "B" colum of contenders...actually C

A-level:
LA
Bos
CLE

B-level
SAS
Orlando

C-level
PORTLAND
DENVER
Dallas

and this is after we have exhausted the cap space that was supposed to put us "over the top".
 
What was the Pritch/Miles history??

Anyone else know some teams are less likely to do business with Pritch because of not wanting anything to do with a "Pritch-Slap"?
 
BTOWN_HUSTLA said:
and this is after we have exhausted the cap space that was supposed to put us "over the top".
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Incorrect. What is supposed to put the team "over the top" is Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Batum, Bayless and Rudy reaching their primes. Portland won 54 games with Oden, Batum, Bayless and Rudy as rookies (and Oden still recovering from surgery). In other words, they won 54 games with those four key talents the worst they'll ever be until they start declining due to age. Reaching the best they'll ever be is what should put a 54-win team over the top.

Turkoglu is just a solid piece to put alongside those players.
 
Minstrel said:
Incorrect. What is supposed to put the team "over the top" is Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Batum, Bayless and Rudy reaching their primes. Portland won 54 games with Oden, Batum, Bayless and Rudy as rookies (and Oden still recovering from surgery). In other words, they won 54 games with those four key talents the worst they'll ever be until they start declining due to age. Reaching the best they'll ever be is what should put a 54-win team over the top.

Turkoglu is just a solid piece to put alongside those players.
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Thank you.
Someone else gets it. Some fans just think you need 5 all stars in a starting lineup to win it all.
 
BTOWN_HUSTLA said:
We didn't win a championship yet. So until we do we can't say whether anything has succeeded or not. No one considers us serious title contenders at this point either. We are in the "B" colum of contenders...actually C

A-level:
LA
Bos
CLE

B-level
SAS
Orlando

C-level
PORTLAND
DENVER
Dallas

and this is after we have exhausted the cap space that was supposed to put us "over the top".
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Sorry to break it to you, but just because we accelerated our time line due to the fact that Brandon Roy turned out to be a superstar in the making, Aldridge turned into one of the top 10 power forwards, and we lucked into landing one of the best big men prospects, it still doesn't mean we're championship contenders this year. If you're not patient enough to wait 2 years for this team to get enough experience to come to fruition, it's going to be a tough couple of years.
 
Minstrel said:
Incorrect. What is supposed to put the team "over the top" is Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Batum, Bayless and Rudy reaching their primes. Portland won 54 games with Oden, Batum, Bayless and Rudy as rookies (and Oden still recovering from surgery). In other words, they won 54 games with those four key talents the worst they'll ever be until they start declining due to age. Reaching the best they'll ever be is what should put a 54-win team over the top.

Turkoglu is just a solid piece to put alongside those players.
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Yep, it's all about finding the right fits around our core players. Hedo was certainly the best guy on the market to fit around the core. People are just so hung up on the 5 years, $50 mil, I think, rather than the player itself. But you're going to have to pay up to get some quality players in free agency.
 
i have no problem with the first three years of this deal, but i'm just concerned when our real window opens hedo will be slipping greatly with age and we'll have his bloated contract with little production. and i don't believe in over-paying for a guy who had a good-great two months but hasn't been all that the rest of his career. if pritchard is keeping true to the SA method, than he can't overpay for role players and i think that is what he has done here.
 
I hadn't noticed that you had formulated your post as a question.

I don't think it is MIXUM, he was funny, and had a little class to boot.
 
bigbailes said:
i have no problem with the first three years of this deal, but i'm just concerned when our real window opens hedo will be slipping greatly with age and we'll have his bloated contract with little production. and i don't believe in over-paying for a guy who had a good-great two months but hasn't been all that the rest of his career. if pritchard is keeping true to the SA method, than he can't overpay for role players and i think that is what he has done here.
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The team believes the window is open now. They wouldn't have made this deal if they thought it wasn't. Sometimes, you've got to pay up to get better. The Lakers are paying a combined $10 mil for Vujacic and Walton.. I think Hedo is certainly worth it.

And considering this is the result from trading Zach, who is making $16-17 mil over the next two seasons, this is a good deal.
 
Only time will tell if drafting Oden was the worst Blazer mistake since drafting Sam or a wise move.

If Durant, Horford, Noah, Law, Thornton and others continue to develop and Oden continues the injury tight-rope walk, it would prove Kevin lucky in a few situations but a failure in the grand scheme.

I have nothing but positive things to say regarding the transition from Jail-Blazer to today's team, but confidence in Hedo simply because Pritch is driving the bus is terribly nearsighted. Is McRoberts a better pick than Gasol? Freeland over Millsap? Some GM's state they refuse to even talk to Pritch because of his arrogance?

Pritch has some success and some failure. Hedo will be one of his failures.
 
Blazer_Mullet_Man said:
Only time will tell if drafting Oden was the worst Blazer mistake since drafting Sam or a wise move.

If Durant, Horford, Noah, Law, Thornton and others continue to develop and Oden continues the injury tight-rope walk, it would prove Kevin lucky in a few situations but a failure in the grand scheme.

I have nothing but positive things to say regarding the transition from Jail-Blazer to today's team, but confidence in Hedo simply because Pritch is driving the bus is terribly nearsighted. Is McRoberts a better pick than Gasol? Freeland over Millsap? Some GM's state they refuse to even talk to Pritch because of his arrogance?

Pritch has some success and some failure. Hedo will be one of his failures.
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Simply look at the Blazers' record over the last three seasons. That's my measuring stick. Really, is there any other way to objectively do it?
 
Blazer_Mullet_Man said:
Some GM's state they refuse to even talk to Pritch because of his arrogance?
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You're posing that as a question, and I'm going to have to answer that "no." If there are GMs who refuse to deal with the Blazers because they don't like Kevin Pritchard, then they're idiots. It means they're cutting off one of the more important trading partners in the league - and I'm not just saying that because I live here, it's because Pritchard is a dealmaker, and if you're not talking to him - even if it's just to gather information - then you're missing out on gaining info.

As for your completely asinine and premature comments about Greg Oden, I just don't know what to say. Talk show hosts like Colin Cowherd and John Canzano frequently ask NBA observers and insiders in other parts of the country about whether Oden seems like a good or a bad pick, and they all say the same thing: "he showed some good things last year, it's too early to say he won't prove to be a smart pick at number one."

If you're trying to make a case that Pritchard is fallible, I wouldn't use Oden, because it's way too early. Could Pritchard have made a few better picks? Yes. But it's hard to argue with the rapid improvement the team has managed under his leadership. I'd stack his record as a GM over the last three years against any manager in the NBA. I'm not saying I trust him to always make a great decision, but he's worthy of some deference.
 
True...good point. Not even mentioning the character change of this team.

My point is Kevin is not flawless and has put our organization in a position where some teams won't even discuss options with us - because of his practices. The jury is out on Oden. Hedo? He is old. He is not the defensive banger we need. He is expensive. He is not a big rebounder, defender or high % shooter.
 
He's old in the sense of wanting a 5 to 6 year $50m contract. At times, Ariza made him look old and slow and moved him all over the court during the Finals.
 
Blazer_Mullet_Man said:
Only time will tell if drafting Oden was the worst Blazer mistake since drafting Sam or a wise move.

If Durant, Horford, Noah, Law, Thornton and others continue to develop and Oden continues the injury tight-rope walk, it would prove Kevin lucky in a few situations but a failure in the grand scheme.

I have nothing but positive things to say regarding the transition from Jail-Blazer to today's team, but confidence in Hedo simply because Pritch is driving the bus is terribly nearsighted. Is McRoberts a better pick than Gasol? Freeland over Millsap? Some GM's state they refuse to even talk to Pritch because of his arrogance?

Pritch has some success and some failure. Hedo will be one of his failures.
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Did you just lump Acie Law in with Oden? Please tell me you're kidding.
 
The last year of his contract he will be an asset not a liability, unless they remove the salary cap in the next 4 years, so really you only need to get 10m a year of productivity for 4 years, and that is well within the reasonable window of players his age.

Agreed on the possible Bowie allegory to a point, but I do not think anyone is ever going to compare Durant or Noah to Jordan in terms of polarity of draft value, so it is a bit over stated. Durant is good, but I don't think we will be talking about him and the HOF in 20 years.

As for the "grand scheme" our goal is to win a championship, not simply get the very best player possible out of every draft. You may have a different set of priorities than me, but I am definitely not ready to label his tenure a failure because he didn't draft Law, that is just laughable.
 
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Blazer_Mullet_Man said:
He's old in the sense of wanting a 5 to 6 year $50m contract. At times, Ariza made him look old and slow and moved him all over the court during the Finals.
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Ariza made Rudy lay on the ground for a while, are you ready to write off Fernandez as old and frail and send him to a convalescent hospital?
 
Granted, I didn't watch the finals, but didn't Hedo increase his shooting % and scoring average in the finals?
 
Is the original post from your blog, Mas?

I know stuff seems like it's more legit if it's elsewhere on the Interwebz, and I'm trying to wrap my head around whether it's your opinion that you simply posted there.

Ed O.
 
LOTBfan said:
I hadn't noticed that you had formulated your post as a question.

I don't think it is MIXUM, he was funny, and had a little class to boot.
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Yeah, but the picture is about what I was expecting mixum to look like.
 
Ed O said:
Is the original post from your blog, Mas?

I know stuff seems like it's more legit if it's elsewhere on the Interwebz, and I'm trying to wrap my head around whether it's your opinion that you simply posted there.
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"Dustin's Take" on that blog entry sounds like MAS. I assume the other bit is another blogger.
 
Ed O said:
Is the original post from your blog, Mas?

I know stuff seems like it's more legit if it's elsewhere on the Interwebz, and I'm trying to wrap my head around whether it's your opinion that you simply posted there.

Ed O.
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It's from mine and Webster's Dictionary..he wrote it all except for My Take.
its easier to compile my thoughts and opinions in one spot & then distribute them around.
Also, it was more of a reassurance...KP is a great GM..we are all armchair GM's
 
BTOWN_HUSTLA said:
We didn't win a championship yet. So until we do we can't say whether anything has succeeded or not. No one considers us serious title contenders at this point either. We are in the "B" colum of contenders...actually C

A-level:
LA
Bos
CLE

B-level
SAS
Orlando

C-level
PORTLAND
DENVER
Dallas

and this is after we have exhausted the cap space that was supposed to put us "over the top".
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We are B level, according to your list. And how do you have Dallas on C and SA on B? lol
 
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