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SlyPokerDog said:
Really? Which forum do you post those at?
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Trump Rally.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Posting one picture doesn't mean you continually do it.

So were these pics taken the same day?

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I have posted frequently enough that there's plenty of actually vald and unbiased reporting to be done. No need to be in the tank for Hiliar.

Like the article I posted about how Trump's property management company routinely discriminated against black people, and he was sued by the city for it.

Or the state of the polls post I made earlier where I suggested Trump is very close to being ahead in the Electoral College. And I wrote, "God help us all."
 
Voodoo said:
So maybe my reading comprehension needs work, but from what I am understanding Clinton's campaign was focusing on his heritage. IE my translation was that this was race baiting at it's finest, and was xenophobic, which is I agree deplorable. But, to your point, the article quoting the memo didn't state anything about where he was born, or focusing on his birthplace. So far, from what I have read, the reason why folks are going onto media outlets and stating that it was not Clinton that started the birther thing is, well, because she didn't. It's a classic red herring here where Trump, where there are five years of evidence linking him to the birther movement is trying to stick it to his opponent. Unfortunately that seems to be working with some people, which simply amazes me. But keep digging, if you find something that links Clinton to it, then feel free to try again, but this is not the smoking gun you're making it out to be.
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Denny Crane said:
Oh, come on.

They spread around a picture making it look like he was born and raised in Africa. And questioned his heritage (which is birth related).

QUOTE: "lack of american roots."

It's absolutely the smoking gun.

And I'm no fan of Trump. He, too, was an utter asshole about this.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304

Later, in the spring 2008, as Clinton’s chances of winning the Democratic primary grew thin, some of her hardcore supporters circulated rumors that Obama may not be a U.S. citizen
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Well I am glad we came to the agreement that Trump was an asshole about this too, he went off about this for FIVE YEARS, and even after the birth certificate was released continued to harp on this claiming it was fake. How can anyone support this guy? If the Republicans had nominated a reasonable person like Kasich I would almost certainly be voting for them instead, too bad they missed the boat and voted for one of the candidates that is actually worse than Clinton in every way possible.
 
Voodoo said:
Let me make another point, what's really deplorable is that Trump harped on this for five years. FIVE YEARS, even after he released his birth certificate Trump was still going on about it. Man democrats hated W., but they rallied around him after 9/11, and they didn't block everything he attempted to do for eight years. What


Well I am glad we came to the agreement that Trump was an asshole about this too, he went off about this for FIVE YEARS, and even after the birth certificate was released continued to harp on this claiming it was fake. How can anyone support this guy? If the Republicans had nominated a reasonable person like Kasich I would almost certainly be voting for them instead, too bad they missed the boat and voted for one of the candidates that is actually worse than Clinton in every way possible.
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Kasich was my preferred republican. I didn't care for any of the rest, though the field was actually quite strong.

I planned to vote Libertarian all along. I voted Johnson in the primary and in 2012. Before that, Ron Paul. Before that Harry Brown twice, and Mike Badnarik.

There is no 9/11 for Obama. He's never attempted to bring republicans into anything. He's not been a great leader - he let Reid/Pelosi lead on ObamaCare, for example.

The media was whining that Trump's surrogates said Obama was born here, but nothing from Trump himself. So he does outright say it, and the press still isn't happy.

My gripes are with the media, not for Trump. There are plenty of legitimate things to report on that question his suitability for the job. Stuff like "Trump is a Manchurian Candate" is both unnecessary and batshit crazy/stupid. Heck, Trump's overtures toward Putin are a great thing, and no worse than Hiliar's "reset with Russia" a few years back.

Peacemakers talk to the enemy. Otherwise peace isn't possible. Duh.
 
Denny Crane said:
He's never attempted to bring republicans into anything. He's not been a great leader - he let Reid/Pelosi lead on ObamaCare, for example.
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There's a lot of Truth to the unbolded part of this post, his foreign policy is a classic example of not having a clear vision for what you are trying to achieve and being out foxed by someone who knows what they want and is executing a plan. But the bolded part is just plain fabrication, have you been paying attention to congress since 2008? If you were, you would remember there's been a very well published and well documented, and to their credit, well executed plan to block every piece of legislation Obama has been supporting. What's the most insane is even when the bills and legislation that has been being drafted is being co-authored by Republicans they still vote against it because it fit into their overall strategy of being the party of "no."
 
Voodoo said:
There's a lot of Truth to the unbolded part of this post, his foreign policy is a classic example of not having a clear vision for what you are trying to achieve and being out foxed by someone who knows what they want and is executing a plan. But the bolded part is just plain fabrication, have you been paying attention to congress since 2008? If you were, you would remember there's been a very well published and well documented, and to their credit, well executed plan to block every piece of legislation Obama has been supporting. What's the most insane is even when the bills and legislation that has been being drafted is being co-authored by Republicans they still vote against it because it fit into their overall strategy of being the party of "no."
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Oh, and Thanks Obama! I bet Obama was behind the birther thing, it was probably the 2008 Obama campaign that started the birther thing. :blink:
 
Voodoo said:
There's a lot of Truth to the unbolded part of this post, his foreign policy is a classic example of not having a clear vision for what you are trying to achieve and being out foxed by someone who knows what they want and is executing a plan. But the bolded part is just plain fabrication, have you been paying attention to congress since 2008? If you were, you would remember there's been a very well published and well documented, and to their credit, well executed plan to block every piece of legislation Obama has been supporting. What's the most insane is even when the bills and legislation that has been being drafted is being co-authored by Republicans they still vote against it because it fit into their overall strategy of being the party of "no."
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Yes, I pay plenty of attention.

Look, Bill Clinton got shit done. His congress was out to impeach him on just about any grounds. Talk about hostile!

Republicans aren't codrafting bills and voting against them. Maybe the gang of 8 type bills that really are not in republicans' interests.
 
Denny Crane said:
I have posted frequently enough that there's plenty of actually vald and unbiased reporting to be done. No need to be in the tank for Hiliar.

Like the article I posted about how Trump's property management company routinely discriminated against black people, and he was sued by the city for it.

Or the state of the polls post I made earlier where I suggested Trump is very close to being ahead in the Electoral College. And I wrote, "God help us all."
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Okay, that's great but your original post was this.

Denny Crane said:
I continually post pictures of KKK rallies and say they're Trump rallies.
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Denny Crane said:
Oh, come on.

They spread around a picture making it look like he was born and raised in Africa. And questioned his heritage (which is birth related).

QUOTE: "lack of american roots."

It's absolutely the smoking gun.
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That's silly. It was in an internal memo that not only was not public, but was not acted on (except possibly, a year later, someone emailed one picture).

And I'm no fan of Trump. He, too, was an utter asshole about this.
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False equivalence. Like saying you got in a car wreck, were burned over 98% of your body, and broke your neck. And I almost, but not quite, stubbed my toe, so I, too, had a terrible accident.

Later, in the spring 2008, as Clinton’s chances of winning the Democratic primary grew thin, some of her hardcore supporters circulated rumors that Obama may not be a U.S. citizen
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The PUMA crowd were not Hillary Clinton or her campaign.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That's silly. It was in an internal memo that not only was not public, but was not acted on (except possibly, a year later, someone emailed one picture).



False equivalence. Like saying you got in a car wreck, were burned over 98% of your body, and broke your neck. And I almost, but not quite, stubbed my toe, so I, too, had a terrible accident.



The PUMA crowd were not Hillary Clinton or her campaign.

barfo
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This internal, private memo was on public WWW sites.

That blows your bullshit outta here.
 
Oh oh, barfo.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article102354777.html

WASHINGTON
Two supporters of Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign reportedly shared the claim that then-rival Barack Obama was not born in the United States and thus was not eligible to be president.

One was a volunteer in Iowa, who was fired, Clinton’s former campaign manager said Friday. **The other was Clinton confidant Sidney Blumenthal, according to a former McClatchy Washington Bureau chief.**

Meanwhile, former McClatchy Washington Bureau Chief James Asher tweeted Friday that Blumenthal had “told me in person” that Obama was born in Kenya.

“During the 2008 Democratic primary, Sid Blumenthal visited the Washington Bureau of McClatchy Co.,” Asher said in an email Friday to McClatchy, noting that he was at the time the investigative editor and in charge of Africa coverage.

“During that meeting, Mr. Blumenthal and I met together in my office and he strongly urged me to investigate the exact place of President Obama’s birth, which he suggested was in Kenya. We assigned a reporter to go to Kenya, and that reporter determined that the allegation was false.

“At the time of Mr. Blumenthal’s conversation with me, there had been a few news articles published in various outlets reporting on rumors about Obama’s birthplace. While Mr. Blumenthal offered no concrete proof of Obama’s Kenyan birth, I felt that, as journalists, we had a responsibility to determine whether or not those rumors were true. They were not.”
 
SlyPokerDog said:
That's one time. That's from May 25th. That's not proof of continually.
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Did you miss the part where I said fuck off?
One is good enough. I posted more. You go find them
 
Denny Crane said:
My gripes are with the media, not for Trump. There are plenty of legitimate things to report on that question his suitability for the job.
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Donald Trump could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and you'd defend him.

Occasionally saying 'Fuck Trump' isn't fooling anyone.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Donald Trump could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and you'd defend him.

Occasionally saying 'Fuck Trump' isn't fooling anyone.

barfo
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There's a difference between refuting your horrible logic and supporting Trump.

Let that sink in.

Probably won't.

If I was for Trump, I would say so, and not post anything bad about him.

Let that sink in, too.
 
Denny Crane said:
Oh oh, barfo.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article102354777.html

WASHINGTON
Two supporters of Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign reportedly shared the claim that then-rival Barack Obama was not born in the United States and thus was not eligible to be president.

One was a volunteer in Iowa, who was fired, Clinton’s former campaign manager said Friday. **The other was Clinton confidant Sidney Blumenthal, according to a former McClatchy Washington Bureau chief.**

Meanwhile, former McClatchy Washington Bureau Chief James Asher tweeted Friday that Blumenthal had “told me in person” that Obama was born in Kenya.

“During the 2008 Democratic primary, Sid Blumenthal visited the Washington Bureau of McClatchy Co.,” Asher said in an email Friday to McClatchy, noting that he was at the time the investigative editor and in charge of Africa coverage.

“During that meeting, Mr. Blumenthal and I met together in my office and he strongly urged me to investigate the exact place of President Obama’s birth, which he suggested was in Kenya. We assigned a reporter to go to Kenya, and that reporter determined that the allegation was false.

“At the time of Mr. Blumenthal’s conversation with me, there had been a few news articles published in various outlets reporting on rumors about Obama’s birthplace. While Mr. Blumenthal offered no concrete proof of Obama’s Kenyan birth, I felt that, as journalists, we had a responsibility to determine whether or not those rumors were true. They were not.”
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Sid Blumenthal is a conspiracy theorist, like you and your Donald. No surprise he was pushing it.
Note that he isn't Hillary, and he wasn't with the campaign.

And the volunteer in Iowa was fired for promoting birtherism. That's pretty much the opposite of the campaign pushing it.

Nice try, Deny!

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
There's a difference between refuting your horrible logic and supporting Trump.

Let that sink in.

Probably won't.

If I was for Trump, I would say so, and not post anything bad about him.

Let that sink in, too.
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I didn't say you supported him. I said you defend him constantly. Which you do. God knows why.

Your response to the birtherism nonsense is EXACTLY the same as Trump's: "It's Hillary's fault".

barfo
 
barfo said:
Yes... after the primary was over.



Nope. Nice try, Deny!

barfo
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Yep.

They are liars and cheaters. They don't have to even do it publicly. Just nixonian deniability.
 
barfo said:
I didn't say you supported him. I said you defend him constantly. Which you do. God knows why.

Your response to the birtherism nonsense is EXACTLY the same as Trump's: "It's Hillary's fault".

barfo
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My response TO THE MEDIA, not defense of Trump. Anti Hiliar, too. As was Obama's accusations in 2008.

Let that sink in.
 
barfo said:
Sid Blumenthal is a conspiracy theorist, like you and your Donald. No surprise he was pushing it.
Note that he isn't Hillary, and he wasn't with the campaign.

And the volunteer in Iowa was fired for promoting birtherism. That's pretty much the opposite of the campaign pushing it.

Nice try, Deny!

barfo
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He's a trusted confidant of the Clintons, worked in the Clinton administration, and in the "charity." He exchanged secret documents by email with Hiliar at State.

He is an operative. He tried to plant the story with the editor of the Africa desk at McClatchey.

So busted. Smoking gun, even.
 
barfo said:
Sid Blumenthal is a conspiracy theorist, like you and your Donald. No surprise he was pushing it.
Note that he isn't Hillary, and he wasn't with the campaign.

And the volunteer in Iowa was fired for promoting birtherism. That's pretty much the opposite of the campaign pushing it.

Nice try, Deny!

barfo
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Sid Blumenthal is Hillary's closest male confidant and her chief advisor on how to use her office to illegally arrange real estate deals in war torn countries. He is implicated as an accessory in a large number of the crimes she has committed.
 
Denny Crane said:
My response TO THE MEDIA, not defense of Trump. Anti Hiliar, too. As was Obama's accusations in 2008.

Let that sink in.
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Ok, it has sunk in that you are so wound up in your hillary hate that you care nothing whatsoever about the actual issue, only about whether it can somehow be pinned on Hillary, no matter how thin the thread.

No, Hillary did not start birtherism.
One of your own links actually pins it on someone in Illinois in 2004.

And she certainly did not make a career out of pushing birtherism, even after the birth certificate was public. That was your boy Trump.

barfo
 
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