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RR7 said:
I'd need to know what went down in Indiana, and whether there was an issue between the two, obviously. If they're cool, and the issue was elsewhere, then yeah, I think I might make that swap.
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I don't think Indy would do it. Who are the Pacers? They are Roy Hibbert and Paul George. I don't think they are ready to blow that up. But I would probably do it as well. I also like a package of Matthews, Batum and Lopez for the two. I don't think it's quite enough though.
 
was Bynum the cancer? the pacers played well together the previous two years then Bynum showed up.
 
Hibbert didn't want Indy to match when he agreed to sign in Portland, hasn't been happy since. Funny Nate McMillan is their assistant which makes back to back teams with bad vibes amongst the players when he's on the coaching staff. Hibbert seems to have a real dislike for some of his teammates. Never a good thing
 
Strenuus said:
Bynum was gone for the playoffs... and it still got worse.
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Hi Cleveland.

Not saying your wrong but still : / it's not illogical to think he had an impact on hibbert's mindset.
 
honkicracker said:
Hi Cleveland.

Not saying your wrong but still : / it's not illogical to think he had an impact on hibbert's mindset.
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But it also didn't get better. I don't think Bynum was the antagonist... I think there were a few in there that tried to Heisenberg the whole situation. And by that, I mean. "Your best course... is to tread lightly".

Yeah, I'm rewatching Breaking Bad.
 
I would do it. I think Hibbert is the kind of high risk/high reward trade we need to win a championship.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Rolo, but Hibbert can be a DPOY caliber center if he's in the right situation. If you put him on our team, I think he reverts back to the All-Star and we're in really good shape.

Last year Hibbert was a monster in the playoffs. 17 ppg, 10 rebounds, and 2 blocks with a PER of 21. That's what we need to go with Dame and LA.

I would deal Wes/Rolo for Hibbert and then use the full MLE to sign a guy like Nick Young, Evan Turner, or maybe Trevor Ariza.
 
riverman said:
Hibbert didn't want Indy to match when he agreed to sign in Portland, hasn't been happy since. Funny Nate McMillan is their assistant which makes back to back teams with bad vibes amongst the players when he's on the coaching staff. Hibbert seems to have a real dislike for some of his teammates. Never a good thing
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Hilbert didn't want them to match? Where the hell did you get that?
 
Hibbert is obviously not a lockerroom leader on a team. Indy is just a bad fit culturally for the guy IMO. Like Sheed going to the Hawks and then Pistons, Hibbert could impact the right team playing with guys who actually like each other. He's just going to be a risk because he will probably eat up a chunk of cap space. I'm in favor of getting both Lopez brothers on the Blazers. Same problem though. Not much left over to improve the bench.
 
riverman said:
Hibbert is obviously not a lockerroom leader on a team. Indy is just a bad fit culturally for the guy IMO. Like Sheed going to the Hawks and then Pistons, Hibbert could impact the right team playing with guys who actually like each other. He's just going to be a risk because he will probably eat up a chunk of cap space. I'm in favor of getting both Lopez brothers on the Blazers. Same problem though. Not much left over to improve the bench.
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That's my point. I think on the right team Hibbert could be a monster. The biggest problem with the Pacers is the horrible overall chemistry. It wasn't the right situation for him. Too many egos. Our team has great chemistry.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That's my point. I think on the right team Hibbert could be a monster. The biggest problem with the Pacers is the horrible overall chemistry. It wasn't the right situation for him. Too many egos. Our team has great chemistry.
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You do realize that the chemistry may get really affected when you trade 2 of our starters? It may not just stay there.
 
Strenuus said:
You do realize that the chemistry may get really affected when you trade 2 of our starters? It may not just stay there.
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Thats what we\Blazers where worried about when Portland could have traded Buck Williams and Jerome Kersey for Charles Barkley.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Thats what we\Blazers where worried about when Portland could have traded Buck Williams and Jerome Kersey for Charles Barkley.
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I wouldn't put either RoLo or Wes in the same category as Kersey and Buck. Then again, I also wouldn't put Hibbert in the same category as Barkley.
 
PapaG said:
I wouldn't put either RoLo or Wes in the same category as Kersey and Buck. Then again, I also wouldn't put Hibbert in the same category as Barkley.
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Ya well that's not the point. My point was that both Wes &Lopez ate fan favorites much like Buck & Kersey. Hibbert is an all star much like Barkley. I'm not comparing the players.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Ya well that's not the point. My point was that both Wes &Lopez ate fan favorites much like Buck & Kersey. Hibbert is an all star much like Barkley. I'm not comparing the players.
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I think Wes/RoLo for Hibbert, if at all a possibility, is actually one of the few moves I've read here that make sense in the real world.

Maybe because I was the poster who first mentioned it? :dunno:
 
PapaG said:
I think Wes/RoLo for Hibbert, if at all a possibility, is actually one of the few moves I've read here that make sense in the real world.

Maybe because I was the poster who first mentioned it? :dunno:
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I think it makes sense because it's decent value for Indy and there are plenty of wings right now on the open market. We could replace Wes with the MLE.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think it makes sense because it's decent value for Indy and there are plenty of wings right now on the open market. We could replace Wes with the MLE.
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It's risky, based on which Hibbert shows up. If it's Hibbert from 2012-13, that move makes the Blazers a better team, IMO.
 
PapaG said:
It's risky, based on which Hibbert shows up. If it's Hibbert from 2012-13, that move makes the Blazers a better team, IMO.
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It's the kind of high risk/high reward trade that could get us a championship if it pays off. If it doesn't pay off, his contract is up in a couple years anyway.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think it makes sense because it's decent value for Indy and there are plenty of wings right now on the open market. We could replace Wes with the MLE.
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My issue with trying to replace wesley with MLE player is our bench stays weak, because our tool to upgrade it was just used to balance our starting lineup. I don't think you get Ariza or Deng on MLE. A guy like Nick Young just basically took whatever increase on defense we got with Hibbert and threw it in the shitter.
On top of that, I imagine they like Lance more than Wesley, and don't really want to have 16-17 million locked up between the two of them.
 
RR7 said:
My issue with trying to replace wesley with MLE player is our bench stays weak, because our tool to upgrade it was just used to balance our starting lineup. I don't think you get Ariza or Deng on MLE. A guy like Nick Young just basically took whatever increase on defense we got with Hibbert and threw it in the shitter.
On top of that, I imagine they like Lance more than Wesley, and don't really want to have 16-17 million locked up between the two of them.
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Good counterpoints. These are the types of deals that I imagine GMs have to almost assess in an actuarial manner, but at the end, the gut probably plays a big role.

I wonder if Bird and Pritchard are tired of The Lance Show, though, to the point they don't want to give him $8-10m/year.
 
RR7 said:
My issue with trying to replace wesley with MLE player is our bench stays weak, because our tool to upgrade it was just used to balance our starting lineup. I don't think you get Ariza or Deng on MLE. A guy like Nick Young just basically took whatever increase on defense we got with Hibbert and threw it in the shitter.
On top of that, I imagine they like Lance more than Wesley, and don't really want to have 16-17 million locked up between the two of them.
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If they would do Hibbert for Rolo/Wright/Claver, I'm totally down with that. I'm just not sure they would go for it. If that trade went down, I think I would use the MLE to sign Paul Pierce and the BAE to hopefully sign Shaun Livingston.
 
PapaG said:
Good counterpoints. These are the types of deals that I imagine GMs have to almost assess in an actuarial manner, but at the end, the gut probably plays a big role.

I wonder if Bird and Pritchard are tired of The Lance Show, though, to the point they don't want to give him $8-10m/year.
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He reminds me of Ron Artest a bit. He just seems batshit crazy. Tons of talent, but fucking loony toons.
 
BBert said:
Isn't that the chemistry problem Indiana is looking to get out of?
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Are they the source of the chemistry issues or does Lance Stephenson take sole ownership?

I still think the Indiana Pacers are Hibbert and George and moving both of them would be sign of throwing the flag in on them and the idea leading to a retool or rebuild. Don't know if they are ready for that. And I think they would try a different coach before jumping to that conclusion.
 
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OneLifeToLive said:
Are they the source of the chemistry issues or does Lance Stephenson take sole ownership?

I still think the Indiana Pacers are Hibbert and George and moving both of them would be sign of throwing the flag in on them and the idea leading to a retool or rebuild.
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I honestly don't know. That team has some kind of disease, that's all I know.
 
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