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magnifier661 said:
Last night, hickson actually played PF and Aldridge played center for most the game.
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Why do you think that? What was different last night than every other game, where Aldridge is the PF and Hickson is the center? Cause I didn't see it. Aldridge's post ups where pretty much starting at the three point line, that's doesn't seem like a center to me.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Why do you think that? What was different last night than every other game, where Aldridge is the PF and Hickson is the center? Cause I didn't see it. Aldridge's post ups where pretty much starting at the three point line, that's doesn't seem like a center to me.
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Because if you magically put a "C" next to Aldridge's name instead of a "PF" then he is transformed to a center.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Why do you think that? What was different last night than every other game, where Aldridge is the PF and Hickson is the center? Cause I didn't see it. Aldridge's post ups where pretty much starting at the three point line, that's doesn't seem like a center to me.
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In the 4th quarter, Aldridge was being defended and he defended Gorgot.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Right now, Hickson > Aldridge and it's not even close. He's making LMA look bad.

Tonight's line (so far)

Hickson 19 points off 8-11 shooting and 15 boards.

Aldridge 17 points off 5-15 shooting and 8 boards.
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So would you give Hickson a max deal or close to it? I bet there are other teams out there that would and that will be the issue with resigning Hickson.
 
magnifier661 said:
I don't know if you noticed, but stotts started Aldridge at center last night.
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If it wasn't noticeable, then it was in name only.

Hickson wouldn't sign now even if he could. His value increases every game. 60 games from now he'll be getting offers for more than Aldridge makes.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Right now, Hickson > Aldridge and it's not even close. He's making LMA look bad.

Tonight's line (so far)

Hickson 19 points off 8-11 shooting and 15 boards.

Aldridge 17 points off 5-15 shooting and 8 boards.
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FFS LMA was in a walking boot 2 days ago.

Why in the world would Hickson accept anything less than a huge contract extension at this point? You whine about Batum's agent, but Nic actually got a contract that is fairly close to his production this year. Why would Hickson's agent tell him to accept any extension without letting the market determine his value?
 
BigGameDamian said:
So would you give Hickson a max deal or close to it? I bet there are other teams out there that would and that will be the issue with resigning Hickson.
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Who is going to give Hickson a max deal?? He's a very good role player on a team that probably won't make the playoffs.
 
Still prefer Hickson to Aldridge. Guy just plays with more hustle, energy and most importantly, Heart.
Hickson, at only 24, fits with the rebuild with Lillard time frame also.

I'd be looking to shop Aldridge for a decent player + picks.
 
Andray Blatche is 9th in PER. Is he worth a max contract?
 
Tyreke Evans has a better PER than Lillard. Better make that trade while Evans is still on his rookie contract.
 
You mind if I cite these posts next time you use PER?
 
jlprk said:
You mind if I cite these posts next time you use PER?
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I factor minutes played into PER and impact on the game, as well as USG rate. Always have. Weren't you the one who didn't even know that minutes played has literally nothing to do with the value of PER? That was funny.

Batum is 10th in the NBA for SFs in PER (Faried for some reason is listed as a SF, too), and is just below Josh Smith, who I see a lot of people here wanting to throw big money at next summer.

For SFs playing over 30 mpg, Batum is 8th. Of the 7 above him, only Thaddeus Young makes less money than Batum ($7.4m/per).

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf

Seems to me that Nic is being paid as he should be paid, at least according to others at his position compared to his production.
 
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PapaG said:
I factor minutes played into PER. Always have. Weren't you the one who didn't even know that minutes played has literally nothing to do with the value of PER? That was funny.
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I knew it. I was trying to hook you into showing the formula, but you wouldn't, so I did.
 
magnifier661 said:
In the 4th quarter, Aldridge was being defended and he defended Gorgot.
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Aldridge gets guarded by centers because he is our All Star big man.

WillG said:
Still prefer Hickson to Aldridge. Guy just plays with more hustle, energy and most importantly, Heart.
Hickson, at only 24, fits with the rebuild with Lillard time frame also.

I'd be looking to shop Aldridge for a decent player + picks.
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Why are you choosing between them? They play great together. Geesh.
 
jlprk said:
Why make the minimum 35 mpg instead of 20 mpg? Just to move Aldridge from #41 to #15?
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Because playing at a 19 PER level for 35 minutes helps a team more than playing it for only 20 minutes's, unless the guy getting the other 15 (18 in LMA's case) is also producting at a level of 19 or greater. Getting 19 PER out of any position for 38 mpg is well above the norm. Same with Batum at 17 PER for the time he's on the court.
 
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jlprk said:
Why make the minimum 35 mpg instead of 20 mpg? Just to move Aldridge from #41 to #15?
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Now I understand, you devil. You pulled a bait and switch, but the jlprk kept his keen eagle eye on the magician's hand. Next time, wait 2 hours until the jlprk has his game-time drink.
 
PapaG said:
Because playing at a 19 PER level for 35 minutes helps a team more than playing it for only 20 minutes's, unless the guy getting the other 15 (18 in LMA's case) is also producting at a level of 19 or greater. Getting 19 PER out of any position for 38 mpg is well above the norm. Same with Batum at 17 PER for the time he's on the court.
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Ah, now you admit that PERs should be ranked by minutes played. This is like watching a Zen Buddhist dog chase its tail.
 
jlprk said:
Ah, now you admit that PERs should be ranked by minutes played. This is like watching a Zen Buddhist dog chase its tail.
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I've always said that minutes played matter for any player, especially those when evauating PER. It isn't that difficult to understand, is it? MPG doesn't enter the calculation, but it should be considered when assessing the value of that PER number and it's impact on the team.

Fortunately for Portland, they have two bigs in Hickson and LMA who are both playing starter minutes and putting up a very good PER in LMA's case, and near All-Star level in Hickson's case.
 
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jlprk said:
Why make the minimum 35 mpg instead of 20 mpg? Just to move Aldridge from #41 to #15?
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The reason was that you concocted a list to exclude Hickson, since he plays 28.9 mpg. Hickson never has foul problems, so the coach limits his minutes only to develop Leonard. Hickson's PER might even increase, not decrease, with more minutes.
 
jlprk said:
The reason was that you concocted a list to exclude Hickson, since he plays 28.9 mpg. Hickson never has foul problems, so the coach limits his minutes only to develop Leonard. Hickson's PER might even increase, not decrease, with more minutes.
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Talking to yourself again?
 
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