Hickson is not worth more than MLE

[Further]

He makes so many boneheaded plays. I just think his stats are way out of whack with what my eyes see. He has very little offensive talent but thinks he can do anything. On D, aside from rebounding which he is great at, he can't do anything else.

I'm making this a thread because I was in the keep Hickson camp for a while, but the more I watch him the more he frustrates me. We need much more out of the center spot than JJ can give. Hope he gets a small contract with us, or a large contract elsewhere.

 

[Blazinaway]

He makes so many boneheaded plays. I just think his stats are way out of whack with what my eyes see. He has very little offensive talent but thinks he can do anything. On D, aside from rebounding which he is great at, he can't do anything else.

I'm making this a thread because I was in the keep Hickson camp for a while, but the more I watch him the more he frustrates me. We need much more out of the center spot than JJ can give. Hope he gets a small contract with us, or a large contract elsewhere.

realistically he is a good #6 or 7 player off the bench, unfortunately with too few qualty FA's this summer and a shitload of teams with capspace he will probably get overpaid

 

[Further]

realistically he is a good #6 or 7 player off the bench, unfortunately with too few qualty FA's this summer and a shitload of teams with capspace he will probably get overpaid

Lets just not be the ones to overpay him.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Lets just not be the ones to overpay him.

We probably won't. We will probably be the ones to overpay someone like Carl Landry instead. Not that I dislike Landry but he is the same problem if you overpay for him.

 

[B-Roy]

I think he's fine. Realistically, he's what we can expect from an undersized guy playing center.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I think he's fine. Realistically, he's what we can expect from an undersized guy playing center.

Yep. You play him at PF and a lot of these issues are lessened (they don't go away completely).

 

[B-Roy]

Yep. You play him at PF and a lot of these issues are lessened (they don't go away completely).

He's really no worse than guys like Boozer and Stoudemire. And those guys are being paid 13+M per year.

 

[Blazinaway]

I think he's fine. Realistically, he's what we can expect from an undersized guy playing center.

agree, but how much would you be willimg to pay him this summer? that's the key and if mot that much then you try to move him now

 

[B-Roy]

agree, but how much would you be willimg to pay him this summer? that's the key and if mot that much then you try to move him now

I don't think he has any value because of his contract status. I wouldn't pay more than 8-9 million. If someone offers more I'd just let him go.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I wouldn't go over what his cap hit is this summer which is 7.6 MIL, so if we can get him for 7.6 MIL on average for 3 years then I think he is worth that even coming off the bench and being a super-sub. If he costs more then that then let him go.

 

[Sinobas]

Starting to agree with this viewpoint. I think we should throw money at Pekovic instead. The T-Wolves have about 49 million locked up in 9 players, and they'd need money to sign their lotto pick this year. They'd probably match, but we could make it painful like they did for Batum. Perfect chance to return the favor.

 

[Nate Dogg]

I would be happy if Hickson signed a 4.60, 5.25 and 6.15 million sort of thing just keeping it under 16 million.
That way people can get his jersey. A lot of people have been asking for his jersey but then they find out it can only be made screen printed.

 

[Mediocre Man]

He makes so many boneheaded plays. I just think his stats are way out of whack with what my eyes see. He has very little offensive talent but thinks he can do anything. On D, aside from rebounding which he is great at, he can't do anything else.

I'm making this a thread because I was in the keep Hickson camp for a while, but the more I watch him the more he frustrates me. We need much more out of the center spot than JJ can give. Hope he gets a small contract with us, or a large contract elsewhere.

Thank you

 

[Nikolokolus]

God has spoken everyone ... and that's good enough for me.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I would be happy if Hickson signed a 4.60, 5.25 and 6.15 million sort of thing just keeping it under 16 million.
That way people can get his jersey. A lot of people have been asking for his jersey but then they find out it can only be made screen printed.

wutthefuhk?

 

[BBert]

MLE money to back up LaMarcus would be fine. Starting center or PF at the salary numbers being tossed around, not so much. I don't even think he's worth his cap hold, that plus we need a quality lottery pick, and I'm for trading him at the deadline and playing Freeland/Leonard/Babbitt.

 

[magnifier661]

He's really no worse than guys like Boozer and Stoudemire. And those guys are being paid 13+M per year.

If he was out pf it wouldn't be problem. But he's our center and undersized. If he was a 7 footer; I'd be more adapt in paying him.

 

[jlprk]

After all these years, it sure is nice to have one effort guy who is always up for the game.

He gets too much praise on this board. You guys need to stop raving about him.

 

[Mediocre Man]

He's really no worse than guys like Boozer and Stoudemire. And those guys are being paid 13+M per year.

And have helped their teams win nothing. Both are also constantly brought up in trade talks

 

[KeepOnRollin]

After all these years, it sure is nice to have one effort guy who is always up for the game.

He gets too much praise on this board. You guys need to stop raving about him.

I think he has been a huge reason for our wins this year. I would like to keep him. With that said I won't pay him too much.

I still think (as much as everyone cringes at the fact) that there is an argument to be made to move Hickson to PF and to get a close to All-Star Center and 6th man of the year candidate-type off the bench from a trade of LMA. Or a starting SG as well and move Wes to 6th man off the bench.

I not actively looking to move LMA at all. However if an offer came through I think it could help us round out this team easier then moving Hickson (who won't garner much with his contract situation upcoming) then I would listen intently. Plus Hickson would thrive at his natural position.

 

[magnifier661]

I think he has been a huge reason for our wins this year. I would like to keep him. With that said I won't pay him too much.

I still think (as much as everyone cringes at the fact) that there is an argument to be made to move Hickson to PF and to get a close to All-Star Center and 6th man of the year candidate-type off the bench from a trade of LMA.

I not actively looking to move LMA at all. However if an offer came through I think it could help us round out this team easier then moving Hickson (who won't garner much with his contract situation upcoming). Plus Hickson would thrive at his natural position.

I think hickson is getting his numbers because Aldridge demands so much attention. This allows hickson to get a jump on the other team for the offensive board. When he goes against teams with rebounding centers, he doesn't get monster rebounds. Look at Chicago and lakers. He was almost non existent.

And if there was a deal for Aldridge, I doubt Portland entertains anything unless its for a superstar. And we all know that ain't happening.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I think hickson is getting his numbers because Aldridge demands so much attention. This allows hickson to get a jump on the other team for the offensive board. When he goes against teams with rebounding centers, he doesn't get monster rebounds. Look at Chicago and lakers. He was almost non existent.

Hickson played at the end of last year without LMA and was the focal point of the offense at PF (for 10 games that LMA was out). He didn't have the luxury of Aldridge demanding so much attention. He was the one demanding attention and he did really well. In fact he showed off some range (not LMA range mind you but he wasn't just getting it done on putbacks and dunks).

I REALLY doubt LMA is moved. Of course the smart money is to bet that doesn't happen. With that said it is entirely possible that if he was moved we would have the pieces we want much quicker then just moving someone like Hickson.

 

[Denny Crane]

Taj Gibson signed about a $8M/yr. contract to be a reserve for the Bulls. I think this is about right for Hickson.

I would be careful about tinkering with the chemistry the team has going. HCP predicted just 28 wins for the team, and you're approaching that already, and are over .500. That's with a really weak bench. Hickson is clearly a significant contributor. Ideally you'd find a starting C and have a solid 3-man bigs rotation.

 

[magnifier661]

Taj Gibson signed about a $8M/yr. contract to be a reserve for the Bulls. I think this is about right for Hickson.

I would be careful about tinkering with the chemistry the team has going. HCP predicted just 28 wins for the team, and you're approaching that already, and are over .500. That's with a really weak bench. Hickson is clearly a significant contributor. Ideally you'd find a starting C and have a solid 3-man bigs rotation.

I agree that an offer of around 8 mil per isn't a bad choice. I'm worried that offers will be closer to 9-10 mil; which I want to avoid completely. Hickson coming off the bench would be a solid contribution, but we need a starting center. That's a bigger issue than having a solid guy coming off the bench. Is leanord ready to start? Doubtful... I think he needs at least another 2-3 years before he can take up that type of duty.

The thing that could make me happy would sign a older center or trade for one before the deadline. We need someone to take on the starting duty for 2-3 years until Leanord is ready.

 

[magnifier661]

This is the deal that I think makes the most sense to me.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d7h3kym

I know Varejao is hurt, but he's a center and good one at that. He's not a "OMG, domination" type player; but he's absolutely the best case scenario for what we could offer to Cleveland. They are young enough and still want to build through the draft; plus their fans loved hickson.

Varejao will be able to start for at least 2-3 years; while Leanord develops into that starting center we hope for. His contract is around the cap hold; and paying 8-9 mil for a starting quality center is good. Then we could use our Max MLE to grab a back-up combo guard that we would be comfortable coming off the bench. I'm thinking a Reddick type player. Use Vet min to grab a few defensive players and we are set.

 

[Mediocre Man]

This is the deal that I think makes the most sense to me.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d7h3kym

I know Varejao is hurt, but he's a center and good one at that. He's not a "OMG, domination" type player; but he's absolutely the best case scenario for what we could offer to Cleveland. They are young enough and still want to build through the draft; plus their fans loved hickson.

Varejao will be able to start for at least 2-3 years; while Leanord develops into that starting center we hope for. His contract is around the cap hold; and paying 8-9 mil for a starting quality center is good. Then we could use our Max MLE to grab a back-up combo guard that we would be comfortable coming off the bench. I'm thinking a Reddick type player. Use Vet min to grab a few defensive players and we are set.

Me too, but does it make sense to Cleveland?

 

[magnifier661]

Me too, but does it make sense to Cleveland?

Cleveland is still trying to build through draft. All the players sent their way are on 1 year contracts. Varejao just doesn't make sense because of his age. By the time they could become relevant; he will be too old to make a difference.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Cleveland is still trying to build through draft. All the players sent their way are on 1 year contracts. Varejao just doesn't make sense because of his age. By the time they could become relevant; he will be too old to make a difference.

I honestly think Cleveland should expect, and will get real assets for Vaginajao

 

[magnifier661]

I honestly think Cleveland should expect, and will get real assets for Vaginajao

I think Hickson is actually a real asset, IMO. E Will could be a promising talent as well and probably able to resign for cheap (1.5-2 mil per for 3 seasons).

 

[Draco]

Cleveland is still trying to build through draft. All the players sent their way are on 1 year contracts. Varejao just doesn't make sense because of his age. By the time they could become relevant; he will be too old to make a difference.

So wouldn't they want a draft pick in return for Varejao then?