Hinrich telling friends ...

[Денг Гордон]

Something interesting I pulled from RealGM:



Doesn't mean that there isn't a trade coming, but that friends rumor may not be true after all. This, of course, is still more RUMINT.

The problem with trying to confirm this type of rumor, when probed, all involved will deny that a friend ever said that.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

It's probably Hinrich for Blake and Outlaw.

If Bulls don't do a follow up involving Deng or Salmons, they'd probably just cut Outlaw I'd assume. If Tyrus Thomas is involved, I think it would probably be in a three way with the Suns. Otherwise, at the very least, Bayless or Fernandez would be coming back Chicago's way.

Based on KP comments in the last year, he is not trading Bayless or Fernandez for Hinrich, period.

My guess is that it is Blake + Webster.

 

[Денг Гордон]

I'd be pretty pissed at the Blazers if we dealt Fernandez to get TT.

I doubt it would be Fernandez, although he is probably the ideal backcourt player that Paxson would want to put with Rose and Gordon.

It'd more likely be Bayless. That's not going to get anyone in Chicago excited. I'd rather just keep Hinrich and Thomas than get some guys were going to cut and Bayless back, although I understand the reason for the trade (to clear money under the luxury tax to re-sign Gordon).

Bayless basically has zero trade value, while Rudy Fernandez, would presumably be somewhat hard to obtain. (Although I doubt it'd be impossible to obtain him, since he plays the same position as Roy).

 

[Денг Гордон]

Based on KP comments in the last year, he is not trading Bayless or Fernandez for Heinrich, period.

My guess is that it is Blake + Webster.

No way Bulls take on Webster's contract. If the Bulls are forced to eat Webster's contract, they're going to want to get some value back from the Blazers, more than just half the deal being an expiring contract.

Blake and Outlaw are the most logical.

 

[Nikolokolus]

They are pretty motivated to get under the tax threshold. HInrich and Thomas makes a lot of sense for that package. Hinrich and 16 a little less, but maybe there is cash involved.

Hinrich and Thomas works for me ... Tyrus might feel a little weird about being LMA's backup considered they were traded for each other in the 2006 draft, but if you want a backup 4 who can block shots, rebound a little and hustle you could do a lot worse than Ty Thomas.

 

[rocketeer]

I am not the world's greatest TT fan - but he is more likely to be a productive backup PF than anyone we would take at #16 for the next year or two. The big issue, of course - is will he be re-signed?

But, he can always be used down-the-line as a trade chip.

Personally, I would prefer a Kirk + 16 than Kirk + TT - but for the short-term - it is not that big of a deal.

i don't think so. blair at the very least is going to be able to rebound the ball in the nba. having one of oden, joel, and blair on the court at a time(and two of them at times) assures that the blazers will be a great rebounding team.

tyrus thomas doesn't offer any assurances.

 

[rocketeer]

I doubt it would be Fernandez, although he is probably the ideal backcourt player that Paxson would want to put with Rose and Gordon.

It'd more likely be Bayless. That's not going to get anyone in Chicago excited. I'd rather just keep Hinrich and Thomas than get some guys were going to cut and Bayless back, although I understand the reason for the trade (to clear money under the luxury tax to re-sign Gordon).

Bayless basically has zero trade value, while Rudy Fernandez, would presumably be somewhat hard to obtain. (Although I doubt it'd be impossible to obtain him, since he plays the same position as Roy).

you don't know what you're talking about if you think bayless has zero trade value.

but at this point he probably does have more value to the blazers than he does elsewhere, so i'd be surprised to see him moved.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

No way Bulls take on Webster's contract. If the Bulls are forced to eat Webster's contract, they're going to want to get some value back from the Blazers, more than just half the deal being an expiring contract.

Blake and Outlaw are the most logical.

Webster's contract is very reasonable - less than half of Hinrich's.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9132

 

[Денг Гордон]

you don't know what you're talking about if you think bayless has zero trade value.

but at this point he probably does have more value to the blazers than he does elsewhere, so i'd be surprised to see him moved.

The guy fell to 11th in the draft last year, and averaged 4.7 points on 48.7 TS%. The guy has zero trade value, or next to zero trade value.

Kevin Pritchard might value Bayless highly, but other GM's likely see Bayless as nothing more than a throw in prospect....a minor trade sweetener if you will.

 

[trailblazerfanscom]

The guy fell to 11th in the draft last year, and averaged 4.7 points on 48.7 TS%. The guy has zero trade value, or next to zero trade value.

Kevin Pritchard might value Bayless highly, but other GM's likely see Bayless as nothing more than a throw in prospect....a minor trade sweetener if you will.

he does have value. you can't look at his stats that is just dumb. he would be coming in to his second year of college right now. he was burried on the bench. im sure there are alot of teams wanting to get there hands on him.

 

[rocketeer]

The guy fell to 11th in the draft last year, and averaged 4.7 points on 48.7 TS%. The guy has zero trade value, or next to zero trade value.

Kevin Pritchard might value Bayless highly, but other GM's likely see Bayless as nothing more than a throw in prospect....a minor trade sweetener if you will.

and i'm telling you that you are clueless. but i do agree that bayless has more value to the blazers than other teams because they have a better idea of what he offers so it is unlikely that he gets moved.

the numbers aren't that relevant. look at his numbers during the stretch of the season when he was actually getting consistent minutes and they are much better.

 

[Денг Гордон]

he does have value. you can't look at his stats that is just dumb. he would be coming in to his second year of college right now. he was burried on the bench. im sure there are alot of teams wanting to get there hands on him.

There might be a lot of teams that would want to get their hands on him, but not a lot of teams will want to give up anything that has much value to get him.

 

[Reep]

The guy fell to 11th in the draft last year, and averaged 4.7 points on 48.7 TS%. The guy has zero trade value, or next to zero trade value.

Kevin Pritchard might value Bayless highly, but other GM's likely see Bayless as nothing more than a throw in prospect....a minor trade sweetener if you will.

Yeah, I'm sure the U.S. select team wouldn't want him back after that first year performance. Oh wait . . .

 

[trailblazerfanscom]

There might be a lot of teams that would want to get their hands on him, but not a lot of teams will want to give up anything that has much value to get him.

well the 1st problem would be matching the salarys. why wouldn't a team struggling money wise drop a vet and bring in a young pg in return?

i mean he was a 11th pick in the draft just last year. there's value there.

 

[andalusian]

i don't think so. blair at the very least is going to be able to rebound the ball in the nba. having one of oden, joel, and blair on the court at a time(and two of them at times) assures that the blazers will be a great rebounding team.

tyrus thomas doesn't offer any assurances.

The Blazers are already a fantastic rebounding team. TT will be a better defender, at least initially and probably in perpetuity than Blair. I would think that Blair is a better fit for Portland - but as far as Chicago is concerned, they save more money if TT comes out.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I got to agree on the Bayless being nothing more than a sweetner to a trade. He does have potential ( I would think every GM knows that) . . . but he is unproven and may stay that way.

(From another team's perspective) how many unproven third(even second) string PG would you consider a key part of a trade?

 

[Denny Crane]

well the 1st problem would be matching the salarys. why wouldn't a team struggling money wise drop a vet and bring in a young pg in return?

i mean he was a 11th pick in the draft just last year. there's value there.

Tyrus Thomas was basically a #2 pick. The Bulls would have drafted him anyhow at #2, if the Blazers weren't willing to make the LMA for Thomas trade.

Clearly there's some value there.

Actually, if Phoenix wants to get rid of Amare, a guy like TT gives them a big with some upside to replace him. On the other hand, as a #4 pick, his salary is up there enough to help the Bulls be too close to the LT threshold.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

TT is not a Nate guy, or a KP culture guy.

 

[Trader Ed]

My hope is

Blake and Travis and #22 for Kirk and the #22 AND THAT IS IT (I prefer to send Webs, but doubt they will take him)

works CBA wise.. we do not want extra players. We are already helping them resign Gordan.. no need to take on TT as well. They can get $8.25 mil in a salary dump already if they choose

 

[Nikolokolus]

Allen wasn't "stopped" at all by Hinrich.

Not to muddy the waters, but Allen shot a paltry 40% on Field goals and 35% on 3s, had the lowest offensive rating of his career in a playoff series (110) and was only able to score 18 points per game in 40 minutes ... For Ray Allen that is fucking god awful. Was that all Hinrich? Probably not, but you have to at least give partial credit no?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html

 

[PapaG]

Could be a heavy drinking night for Papag, poor little guy.

Was that really necessary? Well, if "therocketsguy" says so...

 

[rocketeer]

Not to muddy the waters, but Allen shot a paltry 40% on Field goals and 35% on 3s had the lowest offensive rating of his career in a playoff series (110) and was only able to score 18 points per game in 40 minutes ... For Ray Allen that is fucking god awful. Was that all Hinrich? Probably not, but you have to at least give partial credit no?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=9

check the numbers against the bulls vs the numbers against the magic.

 

[PapaG]

Not to muddy the waters, but Allen shot a paltry 40% on Field goals and 35% on 3s had the lowest offensive rating of his career in a playoff series (110) and was only able to score 18 points per game in 40 minutes ... For Ray Allen that is fucking god awful. Was that all Hinrich? Probably not, but you have to at least give partial credit no?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html

Allen averaged 23 ppg for the series against the Bulls on 45% shooting, including 46% from 3PT. Am I missing something? He was much worse against the Magic. Again, am I missing something? I really have no idea what you are talking about.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=9

 

[Денг Гордон]

Yeah, I'm sure the U.S. select team wouldn't want him back after that first year performance. Oh wait . . .

Bayless is on the US Select Team because Nate McMillam's involvement in USA Basketball.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Not to muddy the waters, but Allen shot a paltry 40% on Field goals and 35% on 3s had the lowest offensive rating of his career in a playoff series (110) and was only able to score 18 points per game in 40 minutes ... For Ray Allen that is fucking god awful. Was that all Hinrich? Probably not, but you have to at least give partial credit no?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html

Ben Gordon guarded Ray Allen when he was on the court for the most part.

 

[Денг Гордон]

I got to agree on the Bayless being nothing more than a sweetner to a trade. He does have potential ( I would think every GM knows that) . . . but he is unproven and may stay that way.

(From another team's perspective) how many unproven third(even second) string PG would you consider a key part of a trade?

This is basically it.

Bulls saw it with Tyrus Thomas who was the #4 pick in the draft. Thomas' trade value became nill during the 2007-2008 season. It wasn't until around the trade deadline this season where Thomas had any type of significant value.

When you're on an NBA roster and not producing, you aren't going to have much value, especially for a player who enough GM's passed on for him to slip down to 11 in the draft.

 

[ABM]

This Chicago blogger calls BS:

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chi.../2009/06/some-kirk-hinrich-rumors-are-bs.html

This isn't to say that Kirk Hinrich isn't being traded. However, sources close to me have confirmed that several recent rumors floated about the Hinrich situation are complete fabrications.

The first is that Kirk Hinrich told friends that he expects to be traded to Portland. Kirk said no such things to his friends. Either Adrian Wojnarowski pulled it out of thin air, or one of Kirk's "friends" did, but there's no truth to the rumor.

The second rumor is that the Trailblazers are concerned about Kirk's character. Kirk knows Kevin Pritchard well since they both played basketball for Kansas. The idea that Pritchard has character questions about Hinrich is ridiculous.

I still think a trade of Kirk to the Blazers is great for Kirk, Portland, and Chicago, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen, but the idea that Kirk thinks it's going down and is telling his friends is inaccurate.

 

[Entity]

This Chicago blogger calls BS:

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chi.../2009/06/some-kirk-hinrich-rumors-are-bs.html

Hah, I beat ABM to something.

 

[PapaG]

Hah, I beat ABM to something.

Gee, wondering how many people put me on "ignore" for correctly calling out a BS rumor and Hinrich's limitations?

 

[Entity]

Gee, wondering how many people put me on "ignore" for correctly calling out a BS rumor and Hinrich's limitations?

You can't lump limitations in with rumor off of that.