Hinrich telling friends ...

[Crimson the Cat]

I don't know if Hinrich would make a big enough difference against the Rockets. We lost that series because:

A) Houston is 10x more physical than we are.

B) We spent the whole series trying to figure out how to defend Yao.

C) Aaron Brooks and Von Wafer made us look silly.

D) The refs didn't call it both ways.

E) We had zero playoff experience and it showed.

I'm not sure Hinrich would have helped with anything but C.

Who would have helped with A and D too.

 

[andalusian]

I don't know if Hinrich would make a big enough difference against the Rockets. We lost that series because:

A) Houston is 10x more physical than we are.

B) We spent the whole series trying to figure out how to defend Yao.

C) Aaron Brooks and Von Wafer made us look silly.

D) The refs didn't call it both ways.

E) We had zero playoff experience and it showed.

I'm not sure Hinrich would have helped with anything but C.

E too - and since Capt. Kirk is an intergalactic celebrity - maybe also D?

 

[Minstrel]

Right now in the western conference, where Portland plays a majority of the games, they have to face:

Chauncey Billups
Tony Parker
Steve Nash
Deron Williams
Baron Davis
Monta Ellis
Jason Kidd (getting slower by the minute)

You forgot one guy...Chris Paul.

Not that it hurts your point, I just thought the best point guard since Magic Johnson should be mentioned.

 

[ABM]

I don't know if Hinrich would make a big enough difference against the Rockets.

Care to speculate regarding the Blazers and Bulls respective season records, though? I mean, who knows, with Heinrich for a season, the Blazers may just as well have ended up playing the Hornets instead of the Rockets.

 

[Natebishop3]

Who would have helped with A and D too.

The physical play was killing us at shooting guard, small forward, and power forward, not so much point guard. Aaron Brooks is just too quick for Blake or Sergio. I don't think Kirk would have helped that much with the physical disparity in that series.

And unless Hinrich is a star unbeknownst to us, I doubt he'd help with getting better calls from the officials

 

[Crimson the Cat]

The physical play was killing us at shooting guard, small forward, and power forward, not so much point guard. Aaron Brooks is just too quick for Blake or Sergio. I don't think Kirk would have helped that much with the physical disparity in that series.

And unless Hinrich is a star unbeknownst to us, I doubt he'd help with getting better calls from the officials

Oh. I meant E instead of D, but andalusian's assertion about his star power is convincing. I'll go A, E, and D!

I see what you mean about the physical play though at the other positions.

 

[STOMP]

Sure I can. It's all hypothetical at his point. What has Kirk Hinrich won in his career?

what has Brandon Roy won in his? Basketball games?

funny stuff in this thread

STOMP

 

[PapaG]

Care to speculate regarding the Blazers and Bulls respective season records, though? I mean, who knows, with Heinrich for a season, the Blazers may just as well have ended up playing the Hornets instead of the Rockets.

Hinrich started 4 games for the Bulls and was hurt for 32. How would that have helped out the Blazers?

 

[PapaG]

what has Brandon Roy won in his? Basketball games?

funny stuff in this thread

STOMP

How does Kirk Hinrich put this team over the top? Roy is one of the ten best players in the NBA and has led this team up from the shitty franchise it was into the second best team in the West.

Funny stuff in this thread for you to shit on Roy in order to prop up a lesser player in Kirk Hinrich. Telling as well as to what you know about basketball. Again, funny stuff.

 

[Minstrel]

How does Kirk Hinrich put this team over the top?

Significantly better defense and slightly better passing than Blake. Whether it puts the team "over the top" isn't terribly relevant. A move can be good and improve the team even if it doesn't put them over the top.

How good the Bulls teams he's been on have been isn't all that relevant to his own level of play.

 

[oldmangrouch]

How does Kirk Hinrich put this team over the top? Roy is one of the ten best players in the NBA and has led this team up from the shitty franchise it was into the second best team in the West.

Funny stuff in this thread for you to shit on Roy in order to prop up a lesser player in Kirk Hinrich. Telling as well as to what you know about basketball. Again, funny stuff.

That wasn't his point, and I'm sure you know that.

If we take your comments literally, we should only make a trade if a player: A) Already has a ring, and B) Will "put us over the top" single-handedly. Those are unrealistic criteria, and I would bet you already knew that.

Hinrich is far from my first choice....but it beats doing nothing! Even modest improvement is better than stagnation. Based on their *entire careers*, Hinrich is a lateral move on offense and a clear upgrade on defense.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Hinrich won't put the Blazers over the top, but he will make them a stronger team. Blazers really look like they will be championship contenders, and Hinrich strengthens that team. Because of other GM's not liking Pritchard, the Blazers are unlikely to get a trade that puts them over the top. The Blazers becoming a perennial championship powerhouse is dependent on Greg Oden panning out to be at the very least, a dominant defensive force.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Hinrich won't put the Blazers over the top, but he will make them a stronger team. Blazers really look like they will be championship contenders, and Hinrich strengthens that team. Because of other GM's not liking Pritchard, the Blazers are unlikely to get a trade that puts them over the top. The Blazers becoming a perennial championship powerhouse is dependent on Greg Oden panning out to be at the very least, a dominant defensive force.

Fezzik, you said something right!

 

[hasoos]

According to CBSSportsline, there have been no discussions between the Blazers and Bulls about Hinrich.

 

[Blazer4life]

According to CBSSportsline, there have been no discussions between the Blazers and Bulls about Hinrich.

Hmmmmm. Maybe people were just rehashing old rumors but its interesting that Hinrich was telling friends that he likely was heading to Portland. You would think that his agent would've been the one to inform him that it was possible (or being discussed) don't you? I mean, why else would he say that?

 

[Tortimer]

I really think this Hinrich talk is a some screen. We could have had Hinrich a few times in the last couple years and wouldn't have had to give up that much. I really think we could have had Hinrich for the RLEC at the deadline last year. So, why go for him now. I think KP is using this to get a better deal for another PG maybe Conley, Harris, Nash, Kidd etc. I like Hinrich and is upgrade for Blake but like others have said KP/PA want to make the move now that puts us in the running for championships now and Hinrich would help but isn't the piece to put us up there with the Lakers/Cav's etc. If KP makes a trade in this draft it will be a complete surprise and will be someone we haven't really heard much talk about IMO.

 

[hasoos]

Hmmmmm. Maybe people were just rehashing old rumors but its interesting that Hinrich was telling friends that he likely was heading to Portland. You would think that his agent would've been the one to inform him that it was possible (or being discussed) don't you? I mean, why else would he say that?

Everything you say makes sense. But you know how it is this time of year, speculation is running amok, the stories of him telling his freinds the trade info might be speculation, the cbs sportsline story might be speculation, most of the threads on this board are speculation. I just threw it out there so some folks knew one source was saying the rumor was bunk.

 

[Blazer4life]

I really think this Hinrich talk is a some screen. We could have had Hinrich a few times in the last couple years and wouldn't have had to give up that much. I really think we could have had Hinrich for the RLEC at the deadline last year. So, why go for him now. I think KP is using this to get a better deal for another PG maybe Conley, Harris, Nash, Kidd etc. I like Hinrich and is upgrade for Blake but like others have said KP/PA want to make the move now that puts us in the running for championships now and Hinrich would help but isn't the piece to put us up there with the Lakers/Cav's etc. If KP makes a trade in this draft it will be a complete surprise and will be someone we haven't really heard much talk about IMO.

True. I really wonder who KP is targeting as a PG upgrade. Everyone out there that is mentioned has issues one way or another.

Miller: older, can't shoot from the perimeter. Good distributor. Physical and gets to the line. Definite upgrade and good tutor for Bayless. Problem is that he is a free agent therefore would eat up all our cap meaning any upgrade for the SF position would be via trade.

Hinrich: great defender. ok shooter. Doesn't penetrate much. Available via trade.

Kidd: free agent who would use up our capspace. Not the defender he once was but amazing basketball IQ and distributor. Most likely to resign with Dallas

Nash: best distributor of the bunch. Plays the ole defense making our perimeter defense worse if you can believe that. back issues and an expensive contract. Would have to trade numerous people to make salaries work.

Harris: young and full of potential. Played worse defensively last year then in the past, likely due to carrying the load for the Nets. Tall and physical so he won't be bullied easily. Probably the hardest to obtain of the bunch (my personal favorite though of the above mentioned). If we were to get Harris, then no point of eeping Bayless.

Conley: showing promise but a long way from being a great PG. What message does that send Bayless if we trade for Conley. I'm interested but there are a lot of questions about him. Can be more hype then not.

Sessions: Likely obtainable. Great a getting to the rim and distributing. Probably would get Oden the ball a lot for easy baskets/dunks based off his penetration but defense is suspect and can't hit an outside shot.


In other words, anyone we go after has warts. It comes down to what we want to get out of them and that probably is most dependent on who is on the team (since with the right personal some of the warts can be covered up). No one is trading any of the elite PG's. So in essence we must pick our poison and take someone who has flaws in their game.

 

[hasoos]

True. I really wonder who KP is targeting as a PG upgrade. Everyone out there that is mentioned has issues one way or another.

Miller: older, can't shoot from the perimeter. Good distributor. Physical and gets to the line. Definite upgrade and good tutor for Bayless. Problem is that he is a free agent therefore would eat up all our cap meaning any upgrade for the SF position would be via trade.

Hinrich: great defender. ok shooter. Doesn't penetrate much. Available via trade.

Kidd: free agent who would use up our capspace. Not the defender he once was but amazing basketball IQ and distributor. Most likely to resign with Dallas

Nash: best distributor of the bunch. Plays the ole defense making our perimeter defense worse if you can believe that. back issues and an expensive contract. Would have to trade numerous people to make salaries work.

Harris: young and full of potential. Played worse defensively last year then in the past, likely due to carrying the load for the Nets. Tall and physical so he won't be bullied easily. Probably the hardest to obtain of the bunch (my personal favorite though of the above mentioned). If we were to get Harris, then no point of eeping Bayless.

Conley: showing promise but a long way from being a great PG. What message does that send Bayless if we trade for Conley. I'm interested but there are a lot of questions about him. Can be more hype then not.

Sessions: Likely obtainable. Great a getting to the rim and distributing. Probably would get Oden the ball a lot for easy baskets/dunks based off his penetration but defense is suspect and can't hit an outside shot.


In other words, anyone we go after has warts. It comes down to what we want to get out of them and that probably is most dependent on who is on the team (since with the right personal some of the warts can be covered up). No one is trading any of the elite PG's. So in essence we must pick our poison and take someone who has flaws in their game.

At the same time, maybe he is not targeting anybody. KP is great in the draft. He has shown no ability to go get a free agent.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

What if Pritchard asked his fello KU alum to float the rumor for us to help divert attention elsewhere?

Is something like that even possible?

 

[hasoos]

What if Pritchard asked his fello KU alum to float the rumor for us to help divert attention elsewhere?

Is something like that even possible?

I would tend to think that setting a smoke screen with somebody who is on contract with another team would be considered tampering.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

I would tend to think that setting a smoke screen with somebody who is on contract with another team would be considered tampering.

Unless we have something different cooking with CHI?

I'm sure you're right. I love conspiracies. They're more fun than reality.

 

[hasoos]

Unless we have something different cooking with CHI?

I'm sure you're right. I love conspiracies. They're more fun than reality.

You know you might be on to something there, but maybe it wasn't Hinrich who was the Alumni who fed it to Kirk? KP could have fed it through other sources, maybe even somebody at another school like Roy Williams. I am sure they have plenty of connections who talk. Plant it here, it makes it's way over, next thing you know it's on the net.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Maybe Hinrich just has a vacation house in Gresham and was simply telling his friends that he "thinks he's going to Portland"... for a vacation.

 

[andalusian]

Maybe Hinrich just has a vacation house in Gresham and was simply telling his friends that he "thinks he's going to Portland"... for a vacation.

He has a vacation house in Gresham? Chicago must have really gone downhill since I last was there for that to happen!

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Maybe Hinrich just has a vacation house in Gresham and was simply telling his friends that he "thinks he's going to Portland"... for a vacation.

Ahh, yes, the Division Street Manor, right next to the impeccable cuisine of Heidi's Restaurant.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

John Hollinger on this situation:

Definitely an upgrade -- better shooter, better creator, and VASTLY better defender who can cover tough 2s and allow Roy to take an easier assignment. I love Blake as a backup, but he's stretched as a starter.

 

[Shooter]

Fezzik, you said something right!

That's how you pronounce his name???

 

[hasoos]

John Hollinger on this situation:

Translation: Homer Alert on the board!

 

[RoyToy]

"and VASTLY better defender who can cover tough 2s and allow Roy to take an easier assignment."

Not only does Batum guard the the tougher players for Brandon, but how about getting a PG that guards other top PGs instead of SGs and SFs?