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People keep bringing up the roster after we just lost to the Pelicans without Zion. Seriously?

We barely squeaked by the Phoenix Suns without Devin Booker and Ayton.

We have significantly MORE talent than both teams. Stotts is a mediocre coach. I think he's good for a rebuilding team trying to compete but he's taken us as far as he's capable. Being nearly last in assists for multiple seasons is why Stotts is so mediocre. He was supposed to be an offensive guru but he's just riding the Dame and CJ coattails. I'd be surprised if we ran more than 5 plays a game. He's a passive observer more than a coach.
 
Chris Craig said:
Just because people didn't think or know they had the talent doesn't mean they didn't have it. They had the talent regardless of what people thought.
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Couldn't you say the same thing about Portland?

This is such horrible hindsight post.
 
People assume 2 things in these threads:

1. That players automatically forget every good thing they learned from their coach once he is fired.

2. A new head coach would be an actual option and would interview with a team who kept current head coach under contract.

Both assumptions are wrong. There's little risk when replacing an average coach and your players might learn something new in the process.
 
AmirIcon said:
People keep bringing up the roster after we just lost to the Pelicans without Zion. Seriously?

We barely squeaked by the Phoenix Suns without Devin Booker and Ayton.

We have significantly MORE talent than both teams. Stotts is a mediocre coach. I think he's good for a rebuilding team trying to compete but he's taken us as far as he's capable. Being nearly last in assists for multiple seasons is why Stotts is so mediocre. He was supposed to be an offensive guru but he's just riding the Dame and CJ coattails. I'd be surprised if we ran more than 5 plays a game. He's a passive observer more than a coach.
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This.
Lillard is around MVP level player and CJ is basketball wizard. Those to were named 2nd best backcourt in the league by many experts many times. Most of Blazers plays are ISO for those two guys. I'm not saying that I would be better coach, but for few years now Stotts is just riding on this duo's back, playing them hard minutes as well. Do you really have to be genius to do that? Personally, I don't think so.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Did any think Kerr was going to be a good coach like 7 years ago?
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Not even really so sure how good Kerr is without three All-Stars on his team. He has shown with 4 All-Stars he can win a Championship and now with one he is a cellar dwellar. So Kerr? Meh.....
 
hoopsjock said:
You're wrong man. Not one person thought GS had a championship level roster before the 2014 season when they hired Kerr. If you say they did you're lying. It was a young fun team that had one playoff series win over a Denver team that had a lot of good but not great players. Curry had just signed a 4 year, $44 million contract the year before. No one thought he'd be MVP good, even if he didn't have ankle problems. Klay Thompson was a good shooter but wasn't a star. Green only played 21 minutes a game the season prior.

Stop making up this narrative that GS was a sure fire championship roster.
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No. Nobody is making it up. Curry is and has been an MVP caliber player. He just had some injury issues. Klay was in a huge battle with Mathews as far as who was better and he was in his second year. Green was a game changer almost immediately. We all know what Durant brought.
 
royo said:
This.
Lillard is around MVP level player and CJ is basketball wizard. Those to were named 2nd best backcourt in the league by many experts many times. Most of Blazers plays are ISO for those two guys. I'm not saying that I would be better coach, but for few years now Stotts is just riding on this duo's back, playing them hard minutes as well. Do you really have to be genius to do that? Personally, I don't think so.
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Nate McMillan used to do it with Roy and everyone was saying how good of a coach McMillan is. It's nonsense.

Stotts is mediocre. Not horrific and not great, but mediocre. He was fine for when he came on but he's outlived his usefulness. He'd be better off with the Phoenix Suns or Orlando Magic. There are plenty of great basketball minds in the NBA waiting for an opportunity to coach guys like Damian, CJ, Nurk, Hassan, Mello and Hood.

Start with one who has the concept of running the offense through our big man.
 
kjironman1 said:
No. Nobody is making it up. Curry is and has been an MVP caliber player. He just had some injury issues. Klay was in a huge battle with Mathews as far as who was better and he was in his second year. Green was a game changer almost immediately. We all know what Durant brought.
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Prior to Kerr, Curry wasnt even close to considered an MVP level player. Not saying Kerr was the cause of it, but he certainly built a system that worked and preached defense and ball movement.
 
How does this fit this Narrative?
hoopsjock said:
GS had made the playoffs two years in a row when they fired Jackson. They had the most success in a long time under him. Kerr had zero coaching experience.
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To this-
hoopsjock said:
You're wrong man. Not one person thought GS had a championship level roster before the 2014 season when they hired Kerr.
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It's like you are straddling the fence and playing both side of the ball.

Wow?
 
It's even in the same thread? Wow? is all i can say here?
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Prior to Kerr, Curry wasnt even close to considered an MVP level player. Not saying Kerr was the cause of it, but he certainly built a system that worked and preached defense and ball movement.
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C'mon. He had problems with his ankles in 2011-12 and it did hold him back but look at the numbers for the rookie season. They knew exactly what they had.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01.html

His second year is 18+ and 6 with 94% from FT?
Dude was an all star level talent and they knew it.
 
kjironman1 said:
How does this fit this Narrative?


To this-


It's like you are straddling the fence and playing both side of the ball.

Wow?
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What's wrong with his statements? They're fairly damn consistent in my opinion.

GS had made the playoffs, but they were nowhere near a championship contender prior to 2014. Why are those two sentences so confusing for you?
 
Curry drafted at age 20 and sure wasn't 1M. Trying to say he wasn't gonna be great is just delusional.
 
kjironman1 said:
No. Nobody is making it up. Curry is and has been an MVP caliber player. He just had some injury issues. Klay was in a huge battle with Mathews as far as who was better and he was in his second year. Green was a game changer almost immediately. We all know what Durant brought.
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Once again this post is too much hindsight bias.

Curry played 78 games in Jackson's last season. He finished 6th in MVP voting so I'll concede this one that he had MVP caliber talent, but no one foresaw him jumping from 22 points a game to over 30 points a game. He was also considered one of the worst defensive players in the league and Kerr came in and challenged him to be better on that end. Thompson has always been a great shooter. He was not as good defensively early in his career and did very little else.

You're completely wrong about Green. His first year he didn't play that much (13 minutes per game). His 2nd year he only played 21 minutes a game and averaged 6 points and 5 rebounds. He definitely looked like he could eventually be a really nice player but to say he was almost immediately a game changer is false. After his 2nd year is what we are talking about so anything after that is irrelevant and that includes Durant who doesn't factor into this conversation at all because he was signed two full seasons after Kerr took over.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
I don't see what you're having trouble with.. there's nothing contradictory there.
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If you cannot read "GS had made the playoffs two years in a row when they fired Jackson. " and " Not one person thought GS had a championship level roster before the 2014" as being contradictory then i don't know what to tell ya.
 
@kjironman1 C'mon man...

You say it's spin that Portland could have a talented enough roster to win a championship but then in THE VERY NEXT POST of yours claim it's contradictory to say making the playoffs under Jackson isn't GS being a contender.

Try not doing what you're accusing me of doing.
 
The thing is even if Curry was going to be what he was regardless of Kerr and GS was going to win rings with my 2 year old as the coach, none of that is a defense of keeping Stotts.
 
kjironman1 said:
If you cannot read "GS had made the playoffs two years in a row when they fired Jackson. " and " Not one person thought GS had a championship level roster before the 2014" as being contradictory then i don't know what to tell ya.
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YOU JUST FUCKING SAID THAT IT'S SPIN THAT PORTLAND MAKING THE PLAYOFFS MEANS THEY HAVE A TALENTED ENOUGH ROSTER TO WIN THE TITLE!

NOW YOU'RE SAYING MAKING THE PLAYOFFS BUT NOT CONTENDING IS CONTRADICTORY???

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE MAN.
 
kjironman1 said:
If you cannot read "GS had made the playoffs two years in a row when they fired Jackson. " and " Not one person thought GS had a championship level roster before the 2014" as being contradictory then i don't know what to tell ya.
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Don't want to be rude, but your logic here seems to be, that playoffs are made of two teams going to the finals strait after RS.
 
kjironman1 said:
If you cannot read "GS had made the playoffs two years in a row when they fired Jackson. " and " Not one person thought GS had a championship level roster before the 2014" as being contradictory then i don't know what to tell ya.
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Making the playoffs two years in a row means they have a championship roster to you?
 
hoopsjock said:
Once again this post is too much hindsight bias.

Curry played 78 games in Jackson's last season. He finished 6th in MVP voting so I'll concede this one that he had MVP caliber talent, but no one foresaw him jumping from 22 points a game to over 30 points a game. He was also considered one of the worst defensive players in the league and Kerr came in and challenged him to be better on that end. Thompson has always been a great shooter. He was not as good defensively early in his career and did very little else.

You're completely wrong about Green. His first year he didn't play that much (13 minutes per game). His 2nd year he only played 21 minutes a game and averaged 6 points and 5 rebounds. He definitely looked like he could eventually be a really nice player but to say he was almost immediately a game changer is false. After his 2nd year is what we are talking about so anything after that is irrelevant and that includes Durant who doesn't factor into this conversation at all because he was signed two full seasons after Kerr took over.
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Well i'm gonna have to agree to disagree with you.
Everyone knew Curry was the real deal. I also know everyone was calling Green a huge pickup for second rounder and most call it lucky. How many times have not only you but pretty much everyone on the board complained about missing him?
Meyers Leonard #11 pick they say... Could of had Draymond they say....
 
kjironman1 said:
Curry is and has been an MVP caliber player. He just had some injury issues. Klay was in a huge battle with Mathews as far as who was better and he was in his second year. Green was a game changer almost immediately. We all know what Durant brought.
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Rastapopoulos said:
Stotts should win CoTY just for convincing people that Carmelo's a serviceable NBA player.
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Yes, because a coach should receive Coach of the Year for getting productivity out of Hall of Fame player... Unfortunately, he needs to get some wins in the regular season if he wants that. I won't hold my breath for post-season wins...
 
hoopsjock said:
YOU JUST FUCKING SAID THAT IT'S SPIN THAT PORTLAND MAKING THE PLAYOFFS MEANS THEY HAVE A TALENTED ENOUGH ROSTER TO WIN THE TITLE!

NOW YOU'RE SAYING MAKING THE PLAYOFFS BUT NOT CONTENDING IS CONTRADICTORY???

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE MAN.
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Go read it again. That was not what you were saying at all. At least that isn't how it reads.
 
Golden State was a nice story in 2012-13 when they upset Denver in the first round and then played the Spurs tough in the 2nd round. The following year they lost in the first round and fired Jackson. Not one person thought, "you know what? GS is going to be the #1 seed next year and win the title, they are that good!" Oh and guess what else? "The season after that they'll have the greatest regular season of all-time!"

Portland in 2013-14 beats Houston in the 1st round and loses to SA in the 2nd round. Next year no one was saying they were title contenders! In fact a lot of people picked them to fall out of the playoffs altogether.

In 2015-16 Portland upset LAC in the first round and played the Warriors tough. The next year they lost in the first round to the Warriors. Was that team a title contender because they made the playoffs @kjironman1?
 
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