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Seriously when was the last time I "bashed" Stotts on here? How do I do everything I can to say he's a bad coach?
 
kjironman1 said:
That is an SB Nation pre-season Power Rankings. You are trying to say that is "Some Guy". Okay. ESPN has them 4th in the Western Conference. Now understand this is also the last year with Aldridge and the Blazers were 5th....
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story?_slug_=power-rankings&id=11670109&redirected=true

At what point are we allowed to call a team good?
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Nobody said they weren't good. The point had always been that they weren't generally believed to have had the talent to be a contender prior to Kerr taking the helm. 4th in the conference is usually not considered contender status.
 
How would you like Fivethirtyeight-
"Very few first-time NBA coaches are lucky enough to inherit a team as talented as the one Steve Kerr has in the Golden State Warriors this year. Last year, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson shared one of the most remarkable offensive seasons any starting backcourt has had in the NBA since 2000."

That is a quote right from the article.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/2014-nba-preview-the-rise-of-the-warriors/

This conversation is over yes....
 
kjironman1 said:
That is an SB Nation pre-season Power Rankings. You are trying to say that is "Some Guy". Okay. ESPN has them 4th in the Western Conference. Now understand this is also the last year with Aldridge and the Blazers were 5th....
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story?_slug_=power-rankings&id=11670109&redirected=true

At what point are we allowed to call a team good?
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I never said they weren't a good team. The Blazers have finished 3rd the last two seasons and aren't considered a contender but a link predicting GS to finish 4th is proof that everyone knew they were on the path the a championship? Okay cool!

There's no way to argue with that amount of logic.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Nobody said they weren't good. The point had always been that they weren't generally believed to have had the talent to be a contender prior to Kerr taking the helm. 4th in the conference is usually not considered contender status.
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I just posted three separate pre season power rankings. All of them have them as contenders. One of them written is almost my word exactly about Steve Kerr inheriting a team already poised to contend.
This conversation has been had over and over again. How can people not think Kerr didn't have it made?
 
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hoopsjock said:
I never said they weren't a good team. The Blazers have finished 3rd the last two seasons and aren't considered a contender but a link predicting GS to finish 4th is proof that everyone knew they were on the path the a championship? Okay cool!

There's no way to argue with that amount of logic.
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Bro Fivethirtyeight had them #1 and called their championship right out of the gates.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
4th in the conference is usually not considered contender status.
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It has always been considered in the mix when its in the West for the last 6 years. This year might be a bit different but in 2014 the West was where it was at.
 
kjironman1 said:
I just posted three separate pre season power rankings. All of them have them as contenders. On of them written is almost my word exactly about Steve Kerr inheriting a team already poised to contend.
This conversation has been had over and over again. How can people not think Kerr didn't have it made?
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The 538 one is the only one that really has then at contender level. Espn had then 4th in the west. SB nation had them third, and only because they suffused the Thunder due to Durant recovering from injury. SI also had then 4th in the conference, as did Bleacher Report. And of course all of these were after the draft, free agency, and preseason, after which point people could already see the impact of Kerr's influence. Look at post 2014-playoff power rankings and you see something very different. Warriors more like 10th in the league.

Again,nobody said the warriors weren't good prior to Kerr's hiring, but discounting him as simply having been given a contender and having had little to do with that status is simply revisionist history.
 
Dougnsalem said:
Wait a minute. I'm doing this wrong. It COULD snow somewhere on Christmas day. Because of global warming, the chances of that occurring are much less this year. Pics or it didn't happen....
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Bet it won't snow in Australia on Christmas
 
PtldPlatypus said:
The 538 one is the only one that really has then at contender level. Espn had then 4th in the west. SB nation had them third, and only because they suffused the Thunder due to Durant recovering from injury. SI also had then 4th in the conference, as did Bleacher Report. And of course all of these were after the draft, free agency, and preseason, after which point people could already see the impact of Kerr's influence. Look at post 2014-playoff power rankings and you see something very different. Warriors more like 10th in the league.

Again,nobody said the warriors weren't good prior to Kerr's hiring, but discounting him as simply been given a contender and having had little to do with that status is simply revisionist history.
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It's honestly funny to me that i can post three links and you can comment on two more that have them in the top of the NBA but still say he was not given a contender.

OK lets put Hoops spin on it
hoopsjock said:
Not one person thought GS had a championship level roster before the 2014 season when they hired Kerr. If you say they did you're lying
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Or this- "Not one person thought, "you know what? GS is going to be the #1 seed next year and win the title, they are that good!"

Kind of seems like a bunch of people had GS as a championship roster. Or at the very least a contender. I most certainly have not been "Lying".

Go peddle that narrative somewhere else because i just destroyed it.
 
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kjironman1 said:
If you cannot read "GS had made the playoffs two years in a row when they fired Jackson. " and " Not one person thought GS had a championship level roster before the 2014" as being contradictory then i don't know what to tell ya.
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I guess everyone else is crazy. Making the playoffs has nothing to do with having a championship level roster.

Both can be true but making the playoffs doesn't automatically make the second part true.
 
hoopsjock said:
And if everyone knew Curry was the real deal why did he go 7th behind guys like Johnny Flynn and Ricky Rubio?
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This is what i was saying is muddying the waters.
The comment was not about draft. This comment was about Curry being the real deal by the time Kerr took the job. But of course throwing in the draft year works to make this look like there might have been a question. Nobody on the thread said anything about when he was taken in the draft.
 
kjironman1 said:
This is what i was saying is muddying the waters.
The comment was not about draft. This comment was about Curry being the real deal by the time Kerr took the job. But of course throwing in the draft year works to make this look like there might have been a question. Nobody on the thread said anything about when he was taken in the draft.
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KJ, you brought up the draft and I used that Curry response as part of my rebuttal to that.

Nice to know that in your world, you bringing something up is me muddying the waters. Good grief.
 
hoopsjock said:
KJ, you brought up the draft and I used that Curry response as part of my rebuttal to that.

Nice to know that in your world, you bringing something up is me muddying the waters. Good grief.
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The draft as far as Curry was concerned was never brought up Hoops. We were talking about Green and him being drafted in the 2nd round.
 
kjironman1 said:
The draft as far as Curry was concerned was never brought up Hoops. We were talking about Green and him being drafted in the 2nd round.
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Dude, I can't handle trying to deal with your confusion on top of blaming me for why you're confusing yourself. Have a Merry Christmas KJ.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
I guess everyone else is crazy. Making the playoffs has nothing to do with having a championship level roster.

Both can be true but making the playoffs doesn't automatically make the second part true.
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It's not even about that. I have shown multiple pre season projections that had them contending in 2014. The original statement he made was that anyone saying that they were is lying. Not the case at all.
 
hoopsjock said:
Dude, I can't handle trying to deal with your confusion on top of blaming me for why you're confusing yourself. Have a Merry Christmas KJ.
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It's not confusing hoops.Go read the thread and you will see nobody was talking about Curry and his draft position. I quoted multiple statements you made. All of them were wrong. But yes.
Have a Merry Christmas!
 
Im sorry for mentioning Kerr... So in terms of Stotts and the thread itself. Is he the answer long term?
Ive stated my opinion on it, and Id love for him and the Blazers to prove me wrong, but the larger point seems to have been missed so that we could discuss Kerr and how good he is or isnt. Kerrs ability to coach or lack there of isnt really an argument for or against the Blazers coaching situation.
 
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