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TorturedBlazerFan said:
Superior team or not, the Blazers are something like 1-16 vs GS / Kerr, a great playoff coach would have figured out how to pull out a few of those. Doesnt mean great coaches dont get swept here or there, but thats pretty extreme...
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You may disagree, but I think one team being superior talent wise to does matter. If I went around touting Stotts record vs the Lakers over the past 5 years, I don't think many people would say that proves much because for the most part, we were far more talented.

Kerr is proven he can have a ton of success with a roster of 3-4 all-stars and he deserves a ton of credit for that. How many series would you say he has won where his team had less talent?
 
Tince said:
You may disagree, but I think one team being superior talent wise to does matter. If I went around touting Stotts record vs the Lakers over the past 5 years, I don't think many people would say that proves much because for the most part, we were far more talented.

Kerr is proven he can have a ton of success with a roster of 3-4 all-stars and he deserves a ton of credit for that. How many series would you say he has won where his team had less talent?
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Playoffs and Regular season are different beasts. Of course, Talent / Players matters and I probably wouldn't have favored the Blazers to win those series', but to win once in 16 shots when you have time to gameplan for your opponents and dissect everything they do. Last year, for instance, the Clippers who were worse than the Blazers beat them twice, and Houston who was about on par with the Blazers beat them twice.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Last year, somewhat....? I think GS was better, but they were down DMC, and KD, Blazers choked so hard...
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I thought the Warriors still had 3 of the 4 best players in the series, but I totally respect what you're saying. Clearly Portland had the scheme/players to compete because they had double digit leads in 3 out of 4 games. Last year was BY FAR the closest they've been talent wise, the other years it was a total land-slide. You'd agree, right?
 
Tince said:
You may disagree, but I think one team being superior talent wise to does matter. If I went around touting Stotts record vs the Lakers over the past 5 years, I don't think many people would say that proves much because for the most part, we were far more talented.

Kerr is proven he can have a ton of success with a roster of 3-4 all-stars and he deserves a ton of credit for that. How many series would you say he has won where his team had less talent?
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Obviously it matters. They went that much better though. We shouldnt have gotten swept.

Everytime I bring up specific issues with this team, I get hit with the generic "We're not good enough" type of narrative.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Playoffs and Regular season are different beasts. Of course, Talent / Players matters and I probably wouldn't have favored the Blazers to win those series', but to win once in 16 shots when you have time to gameplan for your opponents and dissect everything they do. Last year, for instance, the Clippers who were worse than the Blazers beat them twice, and Houston who was about on par with the Blazers beat them twice.
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I'd be curious to see what % of the games Portland lead against Golden St vs Houston or the Clippers. Game-control is often a better representation in how competitive a series was. Another reason why the NOP sweep was SO bad!
 
Tince said:
I thought the Warriors still had 3 of the 4 best players in the series, but I totally respect what you're saying. Clearly Portland had the scheme/players to compete because they had double digit leads in 3 out of 4 games. Last year was BY FAR the closest they've been talent wise, the other years it was a total land-slide. You'd agree, right?
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I thought even with Nurk down last year the Blazers had a lot more depth than GS. I'd agree the other years GS was just better than them. I'm not sure if I said it in this threat or another one, but my my biggest "problems" with playoff Stotts / Blazers were the New Orleans series and the WCF's last year. Game one they looked like they didn't know Steph could shoot, games 2-4 they would build leads then forget that oh the games 48 minutes long...
 
Tince said:
I thought the Warriors still had 3 of the 4 best players in the series, but I totally respect what you're saying. Clearly Portland had the scheme/players to compete because they had double digit leads in 3 out of 4 games. Last year was BY FAR the closest they've been talent wise, the other years it was a total land-slide. You'd agree, right?
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CJ is better than Draymond. Draymonds so overrated. The "They had 3 all-stars, we had 1" is misleading, because it equates Draymond with Dame, and doesnt count CJ. But when I bring up specific things that happened on the court, that's what I hear in response.
 
BonesJones said:
Obviously it matters. They went that much better though. We shouldnt have gotten swept.

Everytime I bring up specific issues with this team, I get hit with the generic "We're not good enough" type of narrative.
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I think both sides of the arguement bring up specifics and both sides make a case using general statements. I greatly appreciate that you give reasons for why you think Stotts isn't good enough vs. just saying "watch the game" or "eye test".
 
BonesJones said:
CJ is better than Draymond. Draymonds so overrated. The "They had 3 all-stars, we had 1" is misleading, because it equates Draymond with Dame, and doesnt count CJ. But when I bring up specific things that happened on the court, that's what I hear in response.
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Would love to see you rankings for the following players 1-8:

Dame, CJ, Aminu, Harkless (feel free to substitute any Blazers in you'd like) vs Steph, Klay, Green, Iggy.
 
Tince said:
I think both sides of the arguement bring up specifics and both sides make a case using general statements. I greatly appreciate that you give reasons for why you think Stotts isn't good enough vs. just saying "watch the game" or "eye test".
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I always try to go in-depth on things! It gets hard because it's a lot to type sometimes.
 
BonesJones said:
CJ is better than Draymond. Draymonds so overrated. The "They had 3 all-stars, we had 1" is misleading, because it equates Draymond with Dame, and doesnt count CJ. But when I bring up specific things that happened on the court, that's what I hear in response.
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Is CJ better than Draymond? Draymond is definitely not your traditional "all-star" but he is just about as close to perfect as a player to go along with 2-3 guys who can score I can think of. Plays defense, rebounds, can initiate the offense, is a good passer. If I was building a team and had two scorers already I'd take Draymond, if I needed a Scorer type I'd take CJ, I also think their both fairly limited in that they have major flaws to their games that can be exploited if not in the right situations.
 
Tince said:
Would love to see you rankings for the following players 1-8:

Dame, CJ, Aminu, Harkless (feel free to substitute any Blazers in you'd like) vs Steph, Klay, Green, Iggy.
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Top 10:
Steph
Dame
Klay
CJ
Draymond
Hood
Kanter
Iggy
Collins
Curry

Portland also got huge contributions from Meyers.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Is CJ better than Draymond? Draymond is definitely not your traditional "all-star" but he is just about as close to perfect as a player to go along with 2-3 guys who can score I can think of. Plays defense, rebounds, can initiate the offense, is a good passer. If I was building a team and had two scorers already I'd take Draymond, if I needed a Scorer type I'd take CJ, I also think their both fairly limited in that they have major flaws to their games that can be exploited if not in the right situations.
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Yes, he's easily better. Draymond's overrated.
 
BonesJones said:
I always try to go in-depth on things! It gets hard because it's a lot to type sometimes.
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So difficult to make full point on a message board, I'm with you! Would be much more fun to break down in person. I have no doubt we agree on the majority of things, we just like to go back and forth on a few differences!
 
Tince said:
So difficult to make full point on a message board, I'm with you! Would be much more fun to break down in person. I have no doubt we agree on the majority of things, we just like to go back and forth on a few differences!
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That's what my YouTube channels for! I can go into depth there.
 
Tince said:
Would love to see you rankings for the following players 1-8:

Dame, CJ, Aminu, Harkless (feel free to substitute any Blazers in you'd like) vs Steph, Klay, Green, Iggy.
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Steph, Dame, Klay, Draymond - CJ are really close IMO, Hood, Kanter, Iggy,
 
Tince said:
Interesting point. A CJ for Green trade might make both teams worse.
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Draymond had a DPBM of 5.0 in 2017, averaged 2 steals and 1.4 rebounds, that's some crazy freaking defensive output. Can he carry a team the way CJ could? I don't think so, but he's like the perfect third man on a team that doesn't need scoring.

He also averaged 7.0+ assists 3 times and one time was 6.9, because they ran a lot of their offense for Steph / Klay through him.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Draymond had a DPBM of 5.0 in 2017, averaged 2 steals and 1.4 rebounds, that's some crazy freaking defensive output. Can he carry a team the way CJ could? I don't think so, but he's like the perfect third man on a team that doesn't need scoring.

He also averaged 7.0+ assists 3 times and one time was 6.9, because they ran a lot of their offense for Steph / Klay through him.
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He's a good defender but not at Kawhi's level IMO.

He's a system passer, passing to the greatest shooting backcourt of all-time.

Put Draymond on our team over CJ, we dont make it out of the 2nd round.

CJ is better.
 
BonesJones said:
He's a good defender but not at Kawhi's level IMO.

He's a system passer, passing to the greatest shooting backcourt of all-time.

Put Draymond on our team over CJ, we dont make it out of the 2nd round.

CJ is better.
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Cj literally does one thing better and that is score and he's not even that efficient at that. Draymond may be over-rated but he's still very good. Like I said I think both of them are flawed players, and need a lot of things around them to be successful. However switch Draymond onto Portland for Harkless or Aminu and the Blazers might have a couple banners instead of GS. Draymond is a really, really good role player that is great in his role. CJ IMO should be a role player / 6th man type or be on a team where he can dominate the ball like Dame does. I don't think CJ is better, it's hard to compare stats because Draymond was part of such a good team, but also... Draymond was an important part of those teams it's not like he was the 7th man... I think CJ / Draymond are both pretty even overall, but have completely different skillsets and because of that they really need to be in the right situation.
 
BonesJones said:
Stotts could learn a lot by reading this article:

Warriors stifled Harden by innovating, Kerr says https://es.pn/34UZ05P
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I didn't get to see the second half of the game, but you've got to tip you hat to Kerr for the win! Guessing Rocket fans are melting down over this one as well...
 
BonesJones said:
He's a good defender but not at Kawhi's level IMO.

He's a system passer, passing to the greatest shooting backcourt of all-time.

Put Draymond on our team over CJ, we dont make it out of the 2nd round.

CJ is better.
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CJ on our team has made it to the 2nd round like twice...?
 
BonesJones said:
Stotts could learn a lot by reading this article:

Warriors stifled Harden by innovating, Kerr says https://es.pn/34UZ05P
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Condensed:

"Luke Walton ran a box-and-one the other night against him in Sacramento," Kerr added, referring to a defense in which the defender on Harden plays man-to-man while the other four play zone.

...the Warriors repeatedly threw bodies at the former MVP and tried to set up traps when possible.

Warriors forward Draymond Green [said] "He's made a living now off of the step-back. That used to be one of the toughest shots in the game of basketball."

...they held him to just one free throw attempt..."The best thing we did was not foul him," Kerr said. "You know, one free throw. And after the first quarter, we didn't foul Westbrook much, either. And so that kept the game going and it allowed us to play in open space, because their defense is really good in the half court, so the tempo was right for us."
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Tince said:
I didn't get to see the second half of the game, but you've got to tip you hat to Kerr for the win! Guessing Rocket fans are melting down over this one as well...
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They're 21-10, I think they'll be fine.
 
When the Warriors play the Blazers, GS does not think they will outcoach the Blazers. Per a source. They do feel there are other teams in which they have an advantage.
 
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