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PCmor7 said:
I still don't think we lose all three of Curry, Kanter and Hood, though.

Look. You have to market what you have. Portland offers a really good place to live and have a family. It offers one of the most supportive fan bases in the NBA. It offers a contending team, a team that by next year should have proven it can win regardless of what people might think of the composition on paper.

One year? Could be a fluke. Two straight years of being the third seed in the West. Nah. That opens people's eyes. Especially when the Blazers weren't even supposed to be in the playoffs this year according to the pundits.

Biggest selling point: We have without a doubt the best leader in the NBA in Dame. Possibly one of the best leaders in the history of the league. His value outpaces his numbers, as good as those are.

As long as he is with the Blazers, the chemistry will be strong.

And the upheavals we've seen all over the NBA the last two years, with the Kawhi stuff in San Antonio, LeBron, AD, Kyrie and the weirdness in Golden State, all of that plays to our advantage. These guys are millionaires many times over, even if they are coming off the bench. I think more of them are seeing this stuff around the league and thinking "I have everything already. I can do without the nonsense."
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You had me at, Look.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
There's only so many roster spots though. Assuming we use our pick and keep Chief and Jake, we'd only have two slots. I'm not counting on the pick to fill any needs. So you'll have to prioritize.

So the question is, if the MLE is only enough to get one player to fill one need, with the roster laid out, what's your priority?
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Well my answer is going to be kind of cheating because we can sign two players based on your hypothetical. One for the Tax-MLE and one on a minimum contract. We're also not factoring in trades.

I think you take what you can get as long as it falls into one of those 3 categories I mentioned (Center/Wing/PG). For example, if someone like RoLo or Gortat or insert value big man here is willing to sign a one year vet minimum deal knowing they could earn a nice payday a year from now as a contributing center for a playoff team, I think that is adequate. Something like what the Bucks did with BroLo this year.

Then you still have the the Tax-MLE to get the best available guy willing to come here that's a PG (a Rondo type maybe?) or a wing (maybe a Garrett Temple or Trevor Ariza type vet).

So lose Curry, Hood, and Kanter but add RoLo, Rondo, and our 1st rounder. That's not too bad, plus like I said we still can make trades.

However, I'm about 99% confident we'll be able to keep one of Curry, Hood, or Kanter with the Tax-MLE. So depending on which one of the 3 we keep alters things too. Even better if Hood happens to accept his ~$4 million offer and we keep Curry or Kanter with the Tax-MLE.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Curry didnt look good at first either. Keep in mind one guy has had 82 games to figure the team out. Another has had 30 something games.
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I don't think Curry was 100% back from his injury at the beginning of the season. His shooting and surprisingly good defense is super valuable IMO. Hood is streaky, but he's nice to have. If he'll stay for what we'd pay a "cheap" free agent, we're likely better off with Hood (than the cheap free agent). Kanter is extremely nice. We would miss his offense off the bench, and especially his offensive rebounding, and we're going to wish we had him if Nurk takes half a season to come back.

If we could only keep one, Hood would have to be the first casualty. If it's between Curry and Enis, that's a tough one. I'd prefer to keep Curry, but depending on Nurk's prognosis come summer, it might be tough for Blazers management to pass on Kanter.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Would you trade Turner+ our 1st to a salary dump team? if it means we can keep those 3 then we should do it.
(I didn't check if it's realistic or not in terms of numbers).
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Yes. If it meant we could keep Curry, Kanter, and Hood. That pick is a straight up crap shoot, and even if the player does pan out, it will be the usual 3 year Blazers development curve.

Essentially trading Turner and the pick for Curry, Kanter and Hood would be one of the biggest no-brainers of all time. Even being able to keep just two of them for Turner and pick is a no-brainer.

We should be so lucky.

:cheers:
 
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joeBlazers said:
I don't see how we keep Seth Curry. Charlotte Hornets are desperate for a Curry (they are losing Kemba). They will offer him the moon and the stars. I honestly believe Curry can be replaced. Worst case scenario, we let Anfernee grow into the position over an 82 game next season. Can Trent play the Rodney Hood role?
If we lose Kanter, we will need to figure out a different way to play our bigs... until next year February, when some desperate players will be available again.
ESPN says, we will offer Dame the super max. How will that impact our cap situation?
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No offense to you at all for mentioning Trent, but I just want to take this opportunity to say that IMO Trent Jr. is so over rated on this board it's comical.
 
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BBert said:
No offense to you at all for mentioning Trent, but I just want to take this opportunity to say that IMO Trent Jr. is so over rated on this board it's comical.
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I'm not personally a fan. He can bully ball in the Gleague, and I think we all saw how excited he was to post up against Yogi Ferrell and Frank Mason when Sacto went with a micro guard lineup, but against guys his own size, he's pretty ineffective.

For now. I have to continue to remind myself that he's also just 20, because he's not built like a youngster. He'll be a contributor, but not likely next year.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I'm not personally a fan. He can bully ball in the Gleague, and I think we all saw how excited he was to post up against Yogi Ferrell and Frank Mason when Sacto went with a micro guard lineup, but against guys his own size, he's pretty ineffective.

For now. I have to continue to remind myself that he's also just 20, because he's not built like a youngster. He'll be a contributor, but not likely next year.
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To be honest, I actually thought, based on the limited highlights I saw of G-league, that he was lighting it up there....better than Simons, in fact.

Mind you, I didn't see much, just a few highlights.
 
Jade Falcon said:
To be honest, I actually thought, based on the limited highlights I saw of G-league, that he was lighting it up there....better than Simons, in fact.

Mind you, I didn't see much, just a few highlights.
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He did light it up in the Gleague. It's a great place to showcase what he does well. But he doesn't (yet) have the chops to do the same against legit competition.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Kanter is going to command more than $5 million per year. Maybe double that. He's not going to take our MLE.
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That could happen, but it's no guarantee. Nerlens Noel turned down $50million and is now playing for about the vet minimum. Javale McGee, Brook Lopez, Jahlil Okafor, all earn less than MLE. DeMarcus Cousins took the tax MLE. The market for centers is nothing like it was 10 years ago.
 
We don't have the Bird rights to Hood, Kanter, or Curry.

There will be a million FAs this offseason.

It's not obvious that we will bend over backwards to sign our bench guys when our bench has been routinely outplayed by the opposing benches.

I think the board is overrating Curry. Historically, other tiny tots who can't play PG could create their own shot - Curry can't. He doesn't make up
for that fact by being a good defender - he isn't.

I'm sure Neil will try to keep guys who want to play here, including Hood, but we're in a tight cap situation.

Because half the league will be FAs this year, we probably won't be able to trade for cap relief, 1st rounder included, or no. We're most likely
stuck with Biebs and ET for one more year.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
We don't have the Bird rights to Hood, Kanter, or Curry.

There will be a million FAs this offseason.

It's not obvious that we will bend over backwards to sign our bench guys when our bench has been routinely outplayed by the opposing benches.

I think the board is overrating Curry. Historically, other tiny tots who can't play PG could create their own shot - Curry can't. He doesn't make up
for that fact by being a good defender - he isn't.

I'm sure Neil will try to keep guys who want to play here, including Hood, but we're in a tight cap situation.

Because half the league will be FAs this year, we probably won't be able to trade for cap relief, 1st rounder included, or no. We're most likely
stuck with Biebs and ET for one more year.
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Im not claiming Seth is Steph! I kind of disagree with you about Seth. He’s not just a good 3 point shooter he is a great 3 point shooter and his defense to me isn't bad for an undersized guard. Yes he cant create for himself, but a guy that can shoot that well is a valuable weapon.

Id love to keep him, but I think someone will offer have a lot of money.

Obviously this is just my opinion, and I respect yours too.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Im not claiming Seth is Steph! I kind of disagree with you about Seth. He’s not just a good 3 point shooter he is a great 3 point shooter and his defense to me isn't bad for an undersized guard.
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I think Seth's defense is great for an undersized guard.

I also agree a bit with Wizard Menor about Seth's offensive game. His shooting will get him a good contract this offseason if he wants it. But he's a niche player. He needs a PG to set him up.

Portland also has a niche for a shooter Curry's caliber. And the Blazers have a point guard and a couple of other passers who can cover Seth's liabilities and complement his strengths.

If he isn't getting a lucrative payday somewhere else, he'd be well-advised to look at his contract in relation to his fit on his team for next year.
 
Curry is valuable. I buy that in isolation.
Hood is a starting quality guy who can play multiple position. Again, I buy it.
Kanter is an elite offensive player.

GREAT! THEN WHY IS OUR BENCH +/- SO BAD????

It's not some rhetorical question. I really want to know.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Curry is valuable. I buy that in isolation.
Hood is a starting quality guy who can play multiple position. Again, I buy it.
Kanter is an elite offensive player.

GREAT! THEN WHY IS OUR BENCH +/- SO BAD????

It's not some rhetorical question. I really want to know.
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I am harping on it, but I think it's because none of those guys are really creators. ET can be but only in transition where his lack of shooting doesn't kill his ability to create. Hood can create a bit but mainly for himself. They need a real backup PG who can get them into sets run plays, make shots for himself and others. It's why I think platooning your bench (especially in the playoffs) is just a bad strategy, all of a sudden you can't score. Even when you have guys who can hit shots, they can't get good shots.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Curry is valuable. I buy that in isolation.
Hood is a starting quality guy who can play multiple position. Again, I buy it.
Kanter is an elite offensive player.

GREAT! THEN WHY IS OUR BENCH +/- SO BAD????

It's not some rhetorical question. I really want to know.
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I think the decision to get Kanter shows what Blazers' management thinks is the main problem: the backup bigs don't play anything like what Nurk does and it makes for a disjointed offensive flow as they go from an interior scoring threat who sets great screens to guys who don't do any of that well. Kanter was supposed to resolve that problem because he plays so much like Nurk. We all know how the loss of Nurk threw that into total disrepair.

There's also the plain fact that Damian Lillard's greatness is what elevates the rest of the team's play. When he sits down, this team goes from amazing to blah.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I think the board is overrating Curry. Historically, other tiny tots who can't play PG could create their own shot - Curry can't. He doesn't make up for that fact by being a good defender - he isn't.
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Agreed. People see Curry's timely steals and think he's a good defender. But he's not - he's passable at best.

To me it breaks down like:

Kanter does two things extremely well: score + rebound
Curry does one thing extremely well: shoot 3s
Rodney doesn't do anything extremely well, but he plays at our weakest position and is a bit of a jack-of-all-trades

So depending on what you value most an argument can be made for any of them. Shooting - especially in the Stottsfense - is very important. But Kanter is just far and away a much better player than Curry. Meanwhile, Rod can cover both starting and back-up roles at both SG and SF, giving us insurance against injury and flexibility to trade players at those positions.
 
calvin natt said:
Curry is hugely valuable. To the Blazers and any other team. Shooting is incredibly important and he does it extremely well. 30 teams would like Seth Curry.
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His skill is very valuable, but only on the proper contract (vet min).
 
Meyers and Turner are going to retire soon after our playoff run is over, then we can sign Kanter, Hood, and Curry. :bgrin::devilwink:
 
blue9 said:
Agreed. People see Curry's timely steals and think he's a good defender. But he's not - he's passable at best.

To me it breaks down like:

Kanter does two things extremely well: score + rebound
Curry does one thing extremely well: shoot 3s
Rodney doesn't do anything extremely well, but he plays at our weakest position and is a bit of a jack-of-all-trades

So depending on what you value most an argument can be made for any of them. Shooting - especially in the Stottsfense - is very important. But Kanter is just far and away a much better player than Curry. Meanwhile, Rod can cover both starting and back-up roles at both SG and SF, giving us insurance against injury and flexibility to trade players at those positions.
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Isnt being timely being good at defense?

Who cares about effort if its a wiff?

Id rather have a guy who uses less effort but is timely with his movements, than someone who puts their all into it and wiffs on plays.
 
e_blazer said:
I hear U-Haul has them for rent. What day are you available?
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Need to look at the weather forecast, I guess. Pool parties less likely when it's rainy.

barfo
 
Sorry, you guys are trippin. I asked before and Ill ask again. Of the three players being discussed, who do you think OKC would want the most?

3pt shooting is the biggest asset a player can have in today's nba. Not sure if you can under rate one of the top 5 3pt shooters in the league this season.


He doesn't need to make plays. He needs to be spotted up for when Dame and CJ run into trouble. He is the missing link to sink the shots and keep defense honest.
He is what we wanted Crabbe to be.
He is what we wanted Napier to be.

We have been searching for a 40% 3pt shooter off the bench for a few years. Now we have him and he is expendable? Not buying it.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Isnt being timely being good at defense?

Who cares about effort if its a wiff?

Id rather have a guy who uses less effort but is timely with his movements, than someone who puts their all into it and wiffs on plays.
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Because defense is more about positioning than and reacting than steals. It's more important to make the opponent's job difficult and prevent them from doing what they want than to force the occasional turnover.

However, I also believe that Curry does a pretty decent job of those things as well.
 
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