Hoopshype: Top 30 point guards in 2018-19 (Dame: 4)

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hoopsjock said:
I don't know why but back in the day a group of my friends would always jokingly say that Shawn Bradley was the best at anything. It was so stupid but it was a running gag for years. So if we were having a conversation of best player of all time you'd have to preface it by saying "If you can't say Shawn Bradley". It didn't even have to be about basketball or sports, like who could chug a beer the fastest the answer is always Shawn Bradley!

Anyway, my point of the story is that I really hope T-Rob is just that guys version of the Shawn Bradley joke.
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Seems like a common thing. For our group, it was Don Johnson. No idea how that came to be.
 
mook said:
To be honest, James Harden should be number 2, and possibly number 1 on this list. The only reason he doesn't play the position now is because there's another good player on his team who can only play PG. It's not his fault that he's the best SG in the league and a top 2 PG.

If you had to start a team right now and just wanted to win, you pick Harden or Curry as your PG. And by that standard, I think you pick Westbrook 5th or 6th.
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good insight, but I disagree with Westbrick. I don't think you build around him at all, he self-limits teams.
 
Kyrie is injury prone so I'll take Dame.
 
MarAzul said:
You might be right. Maybe!

Out of the top five, Paul is the only one playing like a PG. His A/M for the season is 1.06
Westbrook is .882
Curry is .711
Lillard is .606
Irving is .553

But Curry and Irving's shooting percentage is so high, it negates the low A/M.
Lillard's low A/M and shooting percentage says, double team him! It begs the opposing coach to do it! See if he can find the open man. He has the ball so much, the double team will stuff the Portland offense even if he does find an occasional open shooter.

We see this in play every year during the playoffs.
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Can you show us where this fictitious A/M stat is used and what websites use it as an advanced stat? :biglaugh:
 
MarAzul said:
You might be right. Maybe!

Out of the top five, Paul is the only one playing like a PG. His A/M for the season is 1.06
Westbrook is .882
Curry is .711
Lillard is .606
Irving is .553

But Curry and Irving's shooting percentage is so high, it negates the low A/M.
Lillard's low A/M and shooting percentage says, double team him! It begs the opposing coach to do it! See if he can find the open man. He has the ball so much, the double team will stuff the Portland offense even if he does find an occasional open shooter.

We see this in play every year during the playoffs.
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This definition of "PG" is antiquated. It is 2018-- when a PG needs to do more than just come down the court and pass the ball.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Trust me, you really don't want to google A-to-M, regardless of what Marazul tells you...
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lol, oh we have had this discussion many years ago when he was in Olive touting this magnificent stat as the Holy Grail for point guards
 
CupWizier said:
lol, oh we have had this discussion many years ago when he was in Olive touting this magnificent stat as the Holy Grail for point guards
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I don't doubt that at all. I was more referencing the fact that A-to-M can also mean something very, very different...something you probably don't want showing up in your image searches...
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I don't doubt that at all. I was more referencing the fact that A-to-M can also mean something very, very different...something you probably don't want showing up in your image searches...
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I’m so confused right now I very badly want to google this, but I also think googling this might be a bad idea...
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I’m so confused right now I very badly want to google this, but I also think googling this might be a bad idea...
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It was brought up around here years ago when the famed ABM (Atlanta Blazer Man) moved from Atlanta to Milwaukie, and someone convinced him to change his username to A2M (Atlanta to Milwaukie), until their sophomoric ulterior motive was revealed.

To clarify as clinically as possible, it is a sexual acronym describing relocating an insertion of some sort from a posterior orifice to a facial one.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
It was brought up around here years ago when the famed ABM (Atlanta Blazer Man) moved from Atlanta to Milwaukie, and someone convinced him to change his username to A2M (Atlanta to Milwaukie), until their sophomoric ulterior motive was revealed.

To clarify as clinically as possible, it is a sexual acronym describing relocating an insertion of some sort from a posterior orifice to a facial one.
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Yup got it, google recommended a physics calculator for me - which means I spend way to much time doing math and research on my computer and no time at all doing the other stuff I guess...
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I don't doubt that at all. I was more referencing the fact that A-to-M can also mean something very, very different...something you probably don't want showing up in your image searches...
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are you saying marzy is promoting his kinkiness? lol
 
CupWizier said:
where? as in what websites, analysts, teams etc. use it. Ever wonder why you are the only one that uses it and puts any value on it? lol
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Well, I am not the only one that used it, as you well know. But here, I would not be surprise if I am the only one that had Slates Gill, or
Pete Newell as a coach. Pete won an NCAA Championship, putting a defensive game plan in place to use against the opposing ball handling guard, using that same metadata. That guard was no doubt the best player on the floor, but the defense worked just well enough for Pete's team to win. The tendencies of the guard were exposed in scouting and highlighted by the metadata. It worked.
That guard was Jerry West. He got better as a pro but it takes help and understanding of the game by the coach to help the team not become so one dimensional as to have the ball dominated by one guard that is also your top scorer with an unbalanced tendency to
score rather than assist even when pressed.
It begs the Double team. And this is what we see for the Blazers, come playoff time each season.
 
MarAzul said:
You might be right. Maybe!

Out of the top five, Paul is the only one playing like a PG. His A/M for the season is 1.06
Westbrook is .882
Curry is .711
Lillard is .606
Irving is .553

But Curry and Irving's shooting percentage is so high, it negates the low A/M.
Lillard's low A/M and shooting percentage says, double team him! It begs the opposing coach to do it! See if he can find the open man. He has the ball so much, the double team will stuff the Portland offense even if he does find an occasional open shooter.

We see this in play every year during the playoffs.
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If A/M, a situation that begs the opposing coach to double him, a double team that stuffs, and finding an occasional open shooter is what you are seeing, is it maybe something you want to see like a Szondi Test?
 
MarAzul said:
Well, I am not the only one that used it, as you well know. But here, I would not be surprise if I am the only one that had Slates Gill, or
Pete Newell as a coach. Pete won an NCAA Championship, putting a defensive game plan in place to use against the opposing ball handling guard, using that same metadata. That guard was no doubt the best player on the floor, but the defense worked just well enough for Pete's team to win. The tendencies of the guard were exposed in scouting and highlighted by the metadata. It worked.
That guard was Jerry West. He got better as a pro but it takes help and understanding of the game by the coach to help the team not become so one dimensional as to have the ball dominated by one guard that is also your top scorer with an unbalanced tendency to
score rather than assist even when pressed.
It begs the Double team. And this is what we see for the Blazers, come playoff time each season.
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So 2 coaches from the 50's and 60's have used out of the hundreds and hundreds of current coaches that don't use it in todays game. Hmmm?

The game has passed you by marzy
 
CupWizier said:
So 2 coaches from the 50's and 60's have used out of the hundreds and hundreds of current coaches that don't use it in todays game. Hmmm?

The game has passed you by marzy
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Two Hall of Fame coaches and there were more. The principal is still applicable to the knowledgeable. Painfully in the case of the Blazers.
 
MarAzul said:
Two Hall of Fame coaches and there were more. The principal is still applicable to the knowledgeable. Painfully in the case of the Blazers.
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Who are these "many more" and why is it not available anywhere, especially all the web sites that have dozens and dozens of obscure stats but no a/m?
 
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CupWizier said:
Who are these "many more" and why is it not available anywhere, especially all the web sites that have dozens and dozens of obscure stats but no a/m?
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Same reason none of you know, you never learned the game. The game is fading into but a skills display. Sort of like Chess morphing into checkers. It does let more become experts though.
 
MarAzul said:
Same reason none of you know, you never learned the game. The game is fading into but a skills display. Sort of like Chess morphing into checkers. It does let more become experts though.
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WTF are you even talking about? I look at the game as what it has morphed into, not how it was played 50 years ago. Do you know that peach baskets are no longer used? You have failed time and time again to substantiate your a/m stat as a tool that is used in modern day basketball.
 
CupWizier said:
WTF are you even talking about? I look at the game as what it has morphed into, not how it was played 50 years ago. Do you know that peach baskets are no longer used? You have failed time and time again to substantiate your a/m stat as a tool that is used in modern day basketball.
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No but I discovered what A2m means on the internet so, It has merit as a teaching tool...
 
CupWizier said:
WTF are you even talking about? I look at the game as what it has morphed into, not how it was played 50 years ago. Do you know that peach baskets are no longer used? You have failed time and time again to substantiate your a/m stat as a tool that is used in modern day basketball.
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Today is not much different than yesterday. I did not expect you to understand anything either day.
 
Propagandist said:
Strongly? I don't know. I'll tell you one thing, all things equal, I'm guessing 29 other teams would rather build around Kyrie than Dame.

(Although I don't think the same thing would apply to Westbrook.)
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Not if they consider injury history. Something tells me you're wrong about this one.
 
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