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If Batum was willing to go to minnesota for more money, maybe Orlando could re-sign him. The weather is not bad, no state taxes., good young taent....I could see him resigning with them.

However the 5th pick is going to land a good player. If one of the two stud PG's drop to 5th then they keep it. Or they could pick Winslow and us Oladipo for Batum and our pick?
I still would like to see a Dame/Oladipo back court with CJ coming off the bench.
 
Batum needs shooters around him and a big man to run pick n roll with. Orlando has neither. Vucevic is more of a postup do it himself guy
 
If we want to trade Batum for a pick we need to find one of those teams on that list trying to make a push now, and also trying to ditch a contract. The Hornets with Stephenson is that exactly... But the red flag of Stephenson is huge. Another option would be Batum to Detroit for their pick Caron Butler and fillers.
 
Batum for Butler and their pick would be genius. Butler can still play limited minutes at SF, and it gives you cap space to sign a SF. Or you trade 23 and 8 for 4 and draft Winslow.
I think Detroit would want more than Batum in that trade
 
Batum, Meyers, McCollum for Drummond and Butler. ideally include both of our picks but this trade will never happen but one can dream.

DET would then have

Reggie
KCP
Batum
Meyers
Monroe

McCollum off the bench + their current top 10 pick Unless we swap picks.

We would then have a Lillard, LMA, Drummond core to build around with cap space.

Drummond will never be traded tho.
 
ThugginPaulyGAllen said:
Batum, Meyers, McCollum for Drummond and Butler. ideally include both of our picks but this trade will never happen but one can dream.

DET would then have

Reggie
KCP
Batum
Meyers
Monroe

McCollum off the bench + their current top 10 pick Unless we swap picks.

We would then have a Lillard, LMA, Drummond core to build around with cap space.

Drummond will never be traded tho.
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terrible trade for us.
 
BonesJones said:
Batum for Butler and their pick would be genius. Butler can still play limited minutes at SF, and it gives you cap space to sign a SF. Or you trade 23 and 8 for 4 and draft Winslow.
I think Detroit would want more than Batum in that trade
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Do you think Butler will be less than what Batum is getting next season?
 
magnifier661 said:
I snap! I was reading about Trades with Chicago and totally overlooked detroit
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Yeah man Detroit is a legit option.
Think about it.. Batum and '18 1st round (2nd round if possible) pick for Caron and 8
They need a legit wing and Batum could be that Pick n Roll guy with Drummond and Monroe.. Adding him to their team would make them a fringe playoff squad. Draft pick is in 2018 when J Smooves contract is off the books.

Trade 8 and Kaman (+ a filler if needed) to NY for #4
NY would get one of Mudiay, Porzingas, Herzonja, or Cauley-Stein. I think they don't really value one over the other and trading down gives them the chance to still grab one while Kaman gives them some big man depth which they sorely need.
Blazers could draft Winslow
Where you go from there I don't know...
But you end trading Batum, Kaman and a pick for Winslow and Caron while saving $9M.
Tell me if that's not as feasible as I think it is...
 
BonesJones said:
Yeah man Detroit is a legit option.
Think about it.. Batum and '18 1st round (2nd round if possible) pick for Caron and 8
They need a legit wing and Batum could be that Pick n Roll guy with Drummond and Monroe.. Adding him to their team would make them a fringe playoff squad. Draft pick is in 2018 when J Smooves contract is off the books.

Trade 8 and Kaman (+ a filler if needed) to NY for #4
NY would get one of Mudiay, Porzingas, Herzonja, or Cauley-Stein. I think they don't really value one over the other and trading down gives them the chance to still grab one while Kaman gives them some big man depth which they sorely need.
Blazers could draft Winslow
Where you go from there I don't know...
But you end trading Batum, Kaman and a pick for Winslow and Caron while saving $9M.
Tell me if that's not as feasible as I think it is...
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Tempting but I'm not a big fan of butler. He's one of those guys that is just as hot and miss as Batum. Their pick is nice though.

I would totally do the NY trade, just use Batum and bypass Detroit. Obviously we need a player from NY
 
magnifier661 said:
Tempting but I'm not a big fan of butler. He's one of those guys that is just as hot and miss as Batum. Their pick is nice though.

I would totally do the NY trade, just use Batum and bypass Detroit. Obviously we need a player from NY
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Calderón would have to be the player.
 
magnifier661 said:
Tempting but I'm not a big fan of butler. He's one of those guys that is just as hot and miss as Batum. Their pick is nice though.

I would totally do the NY trade, just use Batum and bypass Detroit. Obviously we need a player from NY
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yeah but Butler would come off the bench so it's more tolerable. And he can score in different ways unlike Batum. And he's cheap. I don't think NY wants Batums contract, so going through Detroit would get them 2 picks for depth and Kaman. And I think they wouldnt view 8 as much of a downgrade from 4, since the talent level is even in picks 4-8
 
magnifier661 said:
Tempting but I'm not a big fan of butler. He's one of those guys that is just as hot and miss as Batum. Their pick is nice though.

I would totally do the NY trade, just use Batum and bypass Detroit. Obviously we need a player from NY
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Thing is, once they dumped Smith, Detroit was legitimately challenging for the playoffs before Jennings went down. With a healthy Jennings, having added Jackson, retaining Monroe, and then adding Batum, they would legitimately have a chance to contend next year, so they'd conceivably be willing to deal their pick for a player on the final year of his deal. New York is rebuilding, so it wouldn't make any sense for them to trade a cornerstone pick for (possibly) a one-year rental, especially one who plays the same position as their franchise player.

Just eliminate New York from your mind as a trade partner, unless (as Bones Jones detailed) we've already moved up into the top 10 via a prior trade. Batum to Detroit makes a ton of sense, though.
 
FYI, posted this on MLive's forum to see what Piston fans see is the value of their pick; the first response was basically, "Batum/Leonard/23. Batum's an expiring, so we'd need more."
 
PtldPlatypus said:
FYI, posted this on MLive's forum to see what Piston fans see is the value of their pick; the first response was basically, "Batum/Leonard/23. Batum's an expiring, so we'd need more."
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Makes sense from their prospective. Detroit is not a hot bed for free agents. One year is not enough time for a foreign player to feel connected to Motown.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Makes sense from their prospective. Detroit is not a hot bed for free agents. One year is not enough time for a foreign player to feel connected to Motown.
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Sure, but from our perspective, I imagine we'd be unlikely to trade Leonard for 8 straight up--we're certainly not sending him and Batum and #23.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Sure, but from our perspective, I imagine we'd be unlikely to trade Leonard for 8 straight up--we're certainly not sending him and Batum and #23.
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Bingo. At this point I think Meyers is almost as untouchable as Lillard, based on the fact that he JUST started to break out. No chance we trade him for an unknown commodity. Even less chance we trade him PLUS Nic for an unknown commodity. And absolutely no chance we trade him, PLUS Nic, PLUS a draft pick for an unknown commodity.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Sure, but from our perspective, I imagine we'd be unlikely to trade Leonard for 8 straight up--we're certainly not sending him and Batum and #23.
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Yeah that would be a lot. There does look to be a few quality players at 8 (i.e Stanley Johnson) that would be tempting, but the draft looks pretty deep. There looks to be some good players at 23 as well. And as we all know it is a bit of a crap shoot when you are gambling on which players will improve the most. Because they all need to.

It's kind of like recruiting in college football....who will be the better OL? The 5 star kid who is 6'5" 300 in Highschool and is dominating because of size and strength? Or the 3 or 4 star kid that is 6/7" 260 lbs in HS but has really good feet and the frame to gain 40 lbs of muscle after redshirting a year..........
 
ThugginPaulyGAllen said:
Still a terrible trade? Getting Drummond and 8 for Mccollum meyes 23 and batum?

They supposedly want batum meyers and 23 for 8 LOL.

How is it terrible? Because we lose depth? star driven league my man
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you're trading 2 lottery picks just starting to hit their stride who are also your top 2 guys off the bench, plus your starting SF plus #23 just to move up and for a guy that's not even a star yet.. I'll tell you Meyers has 16 & 10 potential if he started.
McCollum has 17 & 5 potential if he got starters minutes.. If those guys were doing that nobody would suggest, but since their only bench guys their not as valuable? Their the same person, same player. And we've seen what happens when we have absolutely no bench
 
I'm not a big fan of trading Batum for just a draft pick, i'd have to get back a player I really like. For me a deal like MKG + 9 for Batum is where i'd start. I think Batum has a lot of value in a trade, just because so many of us watch him on a daily basis and get pissed off on his inconsistency and lack of aggression doesn't change the fact he is a very unique player in the league, very good defender who can guard multiple positions good 3p shooter and can get you almost 5 assists a game while being an above average rebounder for his position. I know he is on a 1 year deal but I'd still start the asking price high for him.
 
BonesJones said:
you're trading 2 lottery picks just starting to hit their stride who are also your top 2 guys off the bench, plus your starting SF plus #23 just to move up and for a guy that's not even a star yet.. I'll tell you Meyers has 16 & 10 potential if he started.
McCollum has 17 & 5 potential if he got starters minutes.. If those guys were doing that nobody would suggest, but since their only bench guys their not as valuable? Their the same person, same player. And we've seen what happens when we have absolutely no bench
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We lose our starting SF; gain more cap room - use additional cap room to sign a starting SF.

We gain a starting center. negating the 'lost SF'. We ultimately lose no starters.

We gain the #8 pick. This pick could be used to address depth concerns, possibly drafting someone to replace Meyers or McCollum, you can get an nba ready player in the top 10 of this draft.

We still have cap room to sign free agents, MLE. We won't have no bench unless you assume we don't sign any FA's with the whole bundle of cap room we have Since Drummond only makes 3 mill next season, which would free up an additional 15 million in cap space minus the hold for the 8th pick.

But ya, we would have no bench lol
 
ThugginPaulyGAllen said:
We lose our starting SF; gain more cap room - use additional cap room to sign a starting SF.

We gain a starting center. negating the 'lost SF'. We ultimately lose no starters.

We gain the #8 pick. This pick could be used to address depth concerns, possibly drafting someone to replace Meyers or McCollum, you can get an nba ready player in the top 10 of this draft.

We still have cap room to sign free agents, MLE. We won't have no bench unless you assume we don't sign any FA's with the whole bundle of cap room we have Since Drummond only makes 3 mill next season, which would free up an additional 15 million in cap space minus the hold for the 8th pick.

But ya, we would have no bench lol
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CJ and Meyers are our future. Why trade 2 top 10 picks that have proven they are ready for the next step with us, for one top 10 pick that may be nba ready, but may not fit in our system?

All this talk about getting rid of CJ and Meyers for future draft picks is making me sick to my stomach.

With all the other free agents and Batums expiring, why on earth would ANYONE want to get rid of these two? Their ceiling has not been figured yet. Who knows how good these two will be in two more years.

(Oh... on another team that kicks our ass in the first round probably...)
 
I have complete trust in Olshey. Folks think Batum is replaceable but in a contract season..I think he's going to have a great year...if not, there's the trade deadline in Feb.
 
riverman said:
I have complete trust in Olshey. Folks think Batum is replaceable but in a contract season..I think he's going to have a great year...if not, there's the trade deadline in Feb.
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That's what I'm afraid of. He will play like an animal and obtain a large contract, then hit and miss for the remainder of his mega contract.
 
It's for this year's 8th and and
Orion Bailey said:
CJ and Meyers are our future. Why trade 2 top 10 picks that have proven they are ready for the next step with us, for one top 10 pick that may be nba ready, but may not fit in our system?

All this talk about getting rid of CJ and Meyers for future draft picks is making me sick to my stomach.

With all the other free agents and Batums expiring, why on earth would ANYONE want to get rid of these two? Their ceiling has not been figured yet. Who knows how good these two will be in two more years.

(Oh... on another team that kicks our ass in the first round probably...)
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it's not for future picks. It's For Andre Drummond and this year's pick. Flat out. As assembled, we aren't beating a healthy OKC or warriors team retaining everyone.
 
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