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http://hoopshype.com/2018/01/25/how...at-mediocrity-and-where-do-they-go-from-here/

Late on Jan. 22 – or early, depending on what part of the country you reside in – after a full day of tumultuous reports trickling in from around the Association, ESPN’s Chris Haynes dropped one final story to close out the hectic 24 hours regarding Damian Lillard and the Portland Trail Blazers.

It wasn’t the most explosive story of the day, but it was interesting nonetheless.

According to Haynes, Lillard, the franchise’s star dating back to when he was drafted in 2012, had requested a meeting with team owner Paul Allen.

He didn’t request a trade, as Allen feared he might, but Lillard did want to clear something up with the head of the organization. Per Haynes’ report:

“Lillard, who will turn 28 on July 15, requested the meeting in part to reaffirm his commitment to the only professional franchise he has suited up for, but also to gain assurances that the organization was just as devoted to expeditiously crafting a title-contending team, sources said. (…) The two-time All-Star made it clear, though, that he has championship aspirations and wanted to fulfill those lofty goals during the remaining years of his prime window.”

Although the Blazers haven’t been as dysfunctional or poorly run as other teams around the NBA, and despite the fact they have qualified for postseason play each of the last four seasons, it shouldn’t come as a total surprise that Lillard would want reassurances as to the franchise’s direction.

After all, some of their front office’s moves over recent years can at best be labeled confusing, and at worst, incompetent.

And we only need a quick look up and down their roster to find the biggest eyesores.

Their third-highest paid player, Evan Turner, signed a four-year, $70 million contract during the league’s now-infamous summer of 2016 spending spree. Now in the second year of his deal, Turner has repaid them by averaging 8.8 points and 3.5 rebounds per contest while shooting 31.5 percent from three. Oh, and Portland is actually 8.2 points per 100 possessions worse when he’s on the floor.

Turner’s deal isn’t the only problematic one on Portland’s payroll, however.

leonard-and-harkless.jpg


There’s also Meyers Leonard and his four-year, $41 million contract, which was likewise signed during 2016’s free agent frenzy. Thus far in 2017-18, Leonard is playing 9.7 minutes nightly as he tries to regain his form following an early-season ankle injury.

We should also mention Maurice Harkless’ bloated four-year, $42 million deal, which, of course, he signed during the summer of 2016. This season has been a struggle for the 24-year-old wing. Harkless is down to playing 20.5 minutes nightly (the second-lowest total of his career), putting up just 5.4 points per contest, while voicing confusion regarding his role to the media.

If we look at the big picture as far as cap space for 2017-18 is concerned, the Blazers are using a whopping 39 percent(!) of their’s on just the three aforementioned players – two of whom are in and out of the rotation.

But that’s not it.

There was also the whole Allen Crabbe ordeal from a season ago.

crabbe-blazers.jpg


Crabbe, who was a restricted free agent during, you guessed it, the summer of 2016, signed a pricey offer sheet with the Brooklyn Nets during that year’s free-agent bonanza – one that was worth four years, $74.8 million, and which contained a player option on the final season. The Nets signed him to such a bold contract with the hopes that either Portland would pass on matching, or that they’d match and hurt their future cap space in the process.

The Blazers, of course, did just the latter and merely one year later, decided to trade the sharpshooter to the Nets in exchange for Andrew Nicholson, rather than gut out paying the rest of his deal.

Nicholson was unceremoniously waived not long after, but Portland is still paying him $2.8 million this year to play in China.

That’s not the only bit of dead money the team has on their books either.

They’re also still paying Anderson Varejao (who’s now playing professionally in Brazil) $1.9 million in 2017-18, and Festus Ezeli$333,000 after waiving both players over the past two seasons.

And as if all of that didn’t seem messy enough, we haven’t even mentioned the team trading away Will Barton for next to nothing back in 2015, only to find themselves desperately lacking wing shooting (Barton’s specialty) since his departure.

Barton, whose production far outweighs the size of his contract, would be Portland’s eighth-highest paid player this season, and slot in perfectly at the 3 next to Lillard and CJ McCollum.

Looking ahead
With so much slop on their books, the Blazers, particularly Lillard, McCollum and head coach Terry Stotts, should be commended for their 26-22 record, which presently has them as the seventh seed in the tight Western Conference playoff hunt.

It was recently announced Lillard will be an All-Star for the second time in his career, while McCollum is averaging 21.4 points per game and slashing healthy 44.4/41.9/88.0 shooting splits.

They’re getting contributions elsewhere as well.

Shabazz Napier is having his best season as a pro, playing the role of backup point guard beautifully thanks to his smooth step-back jumper and 43.4 percent three-point accuracy.

Rookie big man Zach Collins is starting to come on over recent weeks, proving why Portland took him with the No. 10 pick in the 2017 NBA Draft with his floor-spacing, rim-protecting prowess.

Al-Farouq Aminu, after a dip in efficiency last season, is hitting 38.6 percent of his triples in 2017-18, while providing the Blazers with excellent defense on the wing.

But even so, it’s hard to see Portland’s path out of the mediocrity they appear to be mired in.

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If we look at the long-term approach, to clear up room for game-changing help this summer, the Blazers will need to find a way to get some of the bad money off their books.

However, no team in their right mind is going to want to take Turner, Harkless or Leonard’s contracts in a trade unless the Blazers attach major sweetener to the deal, either in the form of an unprotected first-round pick or their recent first-round selections, Collins or Caleb Swanigan.

That’s precisely how the Los Angeles Lakers got out of paying Timofey Mozgov’s contract: by attaching a young, high upside player in D’Angelo Russell to the deal with Brooklyn.

As difficult a decision it may be for Portland general manager Neil Olshey, he really may not have another choice. Especially considering the Blazers are paying the luxury tax for a group with a very mundane +0.5 net rating.

Another path they could take is to get ahead of the curve regarding Jusuf Nurkic’s impending restricted free agency, and trade him before the deadline. The Bosnian big man has been a bit of a letdown this season, but he is still likely to garner a deal with an annual average salary hovering around $10 million.

The Blazers do own Nurkic’s Bird Rights and his cap hold is cheap ($4.1 million), so they could reach a verbal agreement with him this, try to sign another outside free agent or two, and then, once they’re doing filling their roster, they can officially re-sign him for the long-term using said Bird Rights.

But that could only happen if they manage to get rid of one of Turner’s, Harkless’ or Leonard’s contracts, which will be a tall task for Portland’s front office.

Trading Nurkic now would mean the Blazers won’t have to sweat out his restricted free agency, and he’s still young enough to interest other teams, especially since whoever he gets traded to will also acquire his Bird Rights. Olshey could also look to attach one of his slightly less troublesome contracts (like Ed Davis’expiring deal) to a Nurkic trade to free up more money as well.

If Portland opts to seek out short-term fixes before the deadline, they need to target players on expiring contracts… like Barton. It’s unclear what the Blazers could offer that would intrigue the Denver Nuggets, but maybe a package of Napier and Noah Vonleh could get the two sides talking.

There’s also Memphis Grizzlies wing Tyreke Evans available on an expiring, but Portland has enough primarily ball-handlers on their roster as is.

The best course may be for the Blazers to metaphorically weather the storm now, and use the summer to clear out bad contracts.

Because, in the immediate future, barring going nuclear before the upcoming trade deadline, there’s not much the Blazers can do to fix their salary-cap-related predicament. But by attaching assets to get out from under their sunk costs this offseason, Portland may be able to soon see the light at the end of the tunnel.

If not, Allen’s next meeting with Lillard may have a much different tone.
 
Dumbass article, I'm surprised you made a thread about it.

http://hoopshype.com/2018/01/25/how...at-mediocrity-and-where-do-they-go-from-here/

Late on Jan. 22 – or early, depending on what part of the country you reside in – after a full day of tumultuous reports trickling in from around the Association, ESPN’s Chris Haynes dropped one final story to close out the hectic 24 hours regarding Damian Lillard and the Portland Trail Blazers.

It wasn’t the most explosive story of the day, but it was interesting nonetheless.

According to Haynes, Lillard, the franchise’s star dating back to when he was drafted in 2012, had requested a meeting with team owner Paul Allen.

He didn’t request a trade, as Allen feared he might, but Lillard did want to clear something up with the head of the organization. Per Haynes’ report:

“Lillard, who will turn 28 on July 15, requested the meeting in part to reaffirm his commitment to the only professional franchise he has suited up for, but also to gain assurances that the organization was just as devoted to expeditiously crafting a title-contending team, sources said. (…) The two-time All-Star made it clear, though, that he has championship aspirations and wanted to fulfill those lofty goals during the remaining years of his prime window.”

Although the Blazers haven’t been as dysfunctional or poorly run as other teams around the NBA, and despite the fact they have qualified for postseason play each of the last four seasons, it shouldn’t come as a total surprise that Lillard would want reassurances as to the franchise’s direction.

After all, some of their front office’s moves over recent years can at best be labeled confusing, and at worst, incompetent.

And we only need a quick look up and down their roster to find the biggest eyesores.

Their third-highest paid player, Evan Turner, signed a four-year, $70 million contract during the league’s now-infamous summer of 2016 spending spree. Now in the second year of his deal, Turner has repaid them by averaging 8.8 points and 3.5 rebounds per contest while shooting 31.5 percent from three. Oh, and Portland is actually 8.2 points per 100 possessions worse when he’s on the floor.

Turner’s deal isn’t the only problematic one on Portland’s payroll, however.

leonard-and-harkless.jpg


There’s also Meyers Leonard and his four-year, $41 million contract, which was likewise signed during 2016’s free agent frenzy. Thus far in 2017-18, Leonard is playing 9.7 minutes nightly as he tries to regain his form following an early-season ankle injury.

We should also mention Maurice Harkless’ bloated four-year, $42 million deal, which, of course, he signed during the summer of 2016. This season has been a struggle for the 24-year-old wing. Harkless is down to playing 20.5 minutes nightly (the second-lowest total of his career), putting up just 5.4 points per contest, while voicing confusion regarding his role to the media.

If we look at the big picture as far as cap space for 2017-18 is concerned, the Blazers are using a whopping 39 percent(!) of their’s on just the three aforementioned players – two of whom are in and out of the rotation.

But that’s not it.

There was also the whole Allen Crabbe ordeal from a season ago.

crabbe-blazers.jpg


Crabbe, who was a restricted free agent during, you guessed it, the summer of 2016, signed a pricey offer sheet with the Brooklyn Nets during that year’s free-agent bonanza – one that was worth four years, $74.8 million, and which contained a player option on the final season. The Nets signed him to such a bold contract with the hopes that either Portland would pass on matching, or that they’d match and hurt their future cap space in the process.

The Blazers, of course, did just the latter and merely one year later, decided to trade the sharpshooter to the Nets in exchange for Andrew Nicholson, rather than gut out paying the rest of his deal.

Nicholson was unceremoniously waived not long after, but Portland is still paying him $2.8 million this year to play in China.

That’s not the only bit of dead money the team has on their books either.

They’re also still paying Anderson Varejao (who’s now playing professionally in Brazil) $1.9 million in 2017-18, and Festus Ezeli$333,000 after waiving both players over the past two seasons.

And as if all of that didn’t seem messy enough, we haven’t even mentioned the team trading away Will Barton for next to nothing back in 2015, only to find themselves desperately lacking wing shooting (Barton’s specialty) since his departure.

Barton, whose production far outweighs the size of his contract, would be Portland’s eighth-highest paid player this season, and slot in perfectly at the 3 next to Lillard and CJ McCollum.

Looking ahead
With so much slop on their books, the Blazers, particularly Lillard, McCollum and head coach Terry Stotts, should be commended for their 26-22 record, which presently has them as the seventh seed in the tight Western Conference playoff hunt.

It was recently announced Lillard will be an All-Star for the second time in his career, while McCollum is averaging 21.4 points per game and slashing healthy 44.4/41.9/88.0 shooting splits.

They’re getting contributions elsewhere as well.

Shabazz Napier is having his best season as a pro, playing the role of backup point guard beautifully thanks to his smooth step-back jumper and 43.4 percent three-point accuracy.

Rookie big man Zach Collins is starting to come on over recent weeks, proving why Portland took him with the No. 10 pick in the 2017 NBA Draft with his floor-spacing, rim-protecting prowess.

Al-Farouq Aminu, after a dip in efficiency last season, is hitting 38.6 percent of his triples in 2017-18, while providing the Blazers with excellent defense on the wing.

But even so, it’s hard to see Portland’s path out of the mediocrity they appear to be mired in.

zach-collins.jpg


If we look at the long-term approach, to clear up room for game-changing help this summer, the Blazers will need to find a way to get some of the bad money off their books.

However, no team in their right mind is going to want to take Turner, Harkless or Leonard’s contracts in a trade unless the Blazers attach major sweetener to the deal, either in the form of an unprotected first-round pick or their recent first-round selections, Collins or Caleb Swanigan.

That’s precisely how the Los Angeles Lakers got out of paying Timofey Mozgov’s contract: by attaching a young, high upside player in D’Angelo Russell to the deal with Brooklyn.

As difficult a decision it may be for Portland general manager Neil Olshey, he really may not have another choice. Especially considering the Blazers are paying the luxury tax for a group with a very mundane +0.5 net rating.

Another path they could take is to get ahead of the curve regarding Jusuf Nurkic’s impending restricted free agency, and trade him before the deadline. The Bosnian big man has been a bit of a letdown this season, but he is still likely to garner a deal with an annual average salary hovering around $10 million.

The Blazers do own Nurkic’s Bird Rights and his cap hold is cheap ($4.1 million), so they could reach a verbal agreement with him this, try to sign another outside free agent or two, and then, once they’re doing filling their roster, they can officially re-sign him for the long-term using said Bird Rights.

But that could only happen if they manage to get rid of one of Turner’s, Harkless’ or Leonard’s contracts, which will be a tall task for Portland’s front office.

Trading Nurkic now would mean the Blazers won’t have to sweat out his restricted free agency, and he’s still young enough to interest other teams, especially since whoever he gets traded to will also acquire his Bird Rights. Olshey could also look to attach one of his slightly less troublesome contracts (like Ed Davis’expiring deal) to a Nurkic trade to free up more money as well.

If Portland opts to seek out short-term fixes before the deadline, they need to target players on expiring contracts… like Barton. It’s unclear what the Blazers could offer that would intrigue the Denver Nuggets, but maybe a package of Napier and Noah Vonleh could get the two sides talking.

There’s also Memphis Grizzlies wing Tyreke Evans available on an expiring, but Portland has enough primarily ball-handlers on their roster as is.

The best course may be for the Blazers to metaphorically weather the storm now, and use the summer to clear out bad contracts.

Because, in the immediate future, barring going nuclear before the upcoming trade deadline, there’s not much the Blazers can do to fix their salary-cap-related predicament. But by attaching assets to get out from under their sunk costs this offseason, Portland may be able to soon see the light at the end of the tunnel.

If not, Allen’s next meeting with Lillard may have a much different tone.
 
Hey. Join the club. Some of us have been preaching this for the last year or so. We just get, less yelled at now. The rules that are supposed to help the Blazers are only hurting them.

I don't know one poster on this board who agreed with:

Extending Butters
Signing Turner to that enormous contract.
Matching Crabbe

No one got "yelled at" for disagreeing with these stances. Matter of fact, when did someone yell at someone for disagreeing with them? You might get "clowned" but yelled at?
 
The Blazers landed in mediocrity in 2003/2004. They have had some seasons with good records, but nothing sustainable, and no serious threat to challenging for anything.
 
I don't know one poster on this board who agreed with:

Extending Butters
Signing Turner to that enormous contract.
Matching Crabbe

No one got "yelled at" for disagreeing with these stances. Matter of fact, when did someone yell at someone for disagreeing with them? You might get "clowned" but yelled at?

Sorry, meant Blazer social media in general.
 
The Blazers landed in mediocrity in 2003/2004. They have had some seasons with good records, but nothing sustainable, and no serious threat to challenging for anything.

Actually, it was March 5, 2001. That was the day Whitsitt signed Ron Strickland 2.0. The Blazers who took the Lakers to 7 games in the WCF the year before were the No. 1 seed in the West and hadn't lost more than two games in a row all season immediately lost 5 in a row and 14 of the last 22 to drop to the 7th seed and get swept by the Lakers in the first round, losing every game by at least 13 points.

BNM
 
Wasn't it Feb. 6, 1970?

barfo
 
Hoopshype lol. Thought it would elicit some discussion.
The truth is... nobody knows anything. We don't know the actual values of the players, or what size
contracts they will sign.

The author, who is a self-described "stats guy", hasn't watched a blazer game
in 3 weeks, at least - he doesn't know Moe and Biebs have been out of the lineup.

He thinks we're getting Nurk for $10 mil/year. :dunno:

He thinks Ed "among league leaders for rebounding off the bench" Davis's contract is "slightly less troublesome" than ET's?

No one, no one, NO ONE thought Barton was the best player in the Denver trade.

The author points to it, but then ignores it: NO ONE who had money in the 2016 free agency came out looking good.
The blazer haven't yet to recover from it, but mostly because of the inconsistent, or consistently poor, play of
the players he highlights. Young players tend to get better, the one's we paid haven't.

And yet, there is hope, right now. The Blazers are 4 games above .500 with games against Dallas, the Clips, and
Chicago. If we win all three, we'll have left .500 behind, which is really the first step in a successful season.
 
Wasn't it Feb. 6, 1970?

barfo
Yep--I actually saw someone on twitter say the other day that small market teams shouldn't use their market as an excuse for not signing free agents, because they should have known about and considered that when they chose that market. Of course I responded: "Umm...free agency didn't exist when Portland was chosen as an NBA market." Dude didn't really appreciate my reply...
 
Yep--I actually saw someone on twitter say the other day that small market teams shouldn't use their market as an excuse for not signing free agents, because they should have known about and considered that when they chose that market. Of course I responded: "Umm...free agency didn't exist when Portland was chosen as an NBA market." Dude didn't really appreciate my reply...

Big market teams have won most all of the championships since 1980. Without SA and GS, it would be completely ridiculous.
 
Big market teams have won most all of the championships since 1980. Without SA and GS, it would be completely ridiculous.
GS is 6th largest market. SA is 37th, but they happened to draft a transendent player.

99% of the time it's about the draft for small market teams unless you get lucky and there is a top 5 player from your area that wants to come home.

Look at the Patriots. They aren't shit without Brady. How'd old Bill do in Cleveland without him?
 
GS is 6th largest market. SA is 37th, but they happened to draft a transendent player.
My bad, I mean't SA and Miami....
But yes, SA was a serious playoff team when Robinson got injured, so they barely made missed the playoffs, won the #1 pick in the draft, during
the same year Tim Duncan was in the draft.... and that's what it takes for a small market team.
 
My bad, I mean't SA and Miami....
But yes, SA was a serious playoff team when Robinson got injured, so they barely made missed the playoffs, won the #1 pick in the draft, during
the same year Tim Duncan was in the draft.... and that's what it takes for a small market team.

What? They went 20-62 during the 1996-97 season in order to get a high lottery pick.
 
My bad, I mean't SA and Miami....
But yes, SA was a serious playoff team when Robinson got injured, so they barely made missed the playoffs, won the #1 pick in the draft, during
the same year Tim Duncan was in the draft.... and that's what it takes for a small market team.
Miami is still a destination. I could think of worse places to be than South beach as a young multimillionaire.

Also no state tax in Florida. Your city has to offer something for these guys to come. For someone who's never been to Portland, the perception is it rains all the time and there aren't a lot of black people.
 
GS is 6th largest market. SA is 37th, but they happened to draft a transendent player.

99% of the time it's about the draft for small market teams unless you get lucky and there is a top 5 player from your area that wants to come home.

Look at the Patriots. They aren't shit without Brady. How'd old Bill do in Cleveland without him?

That's a load. The pats ALWAYS win when Brady is hurt.

Cassell and Garoppolo both did well and both got paid. Cassell SUCKED outside of Bill Belichick's system....
 
They were 59-23 the previous season. Admiral out, they win 20, win lottery, choose Duncan, rest is history.

This is what you said:

SA was a serious playoff team when Robinson got injured, so they barely made missed the playoffs, won the #1 pick in the draft, during
the same year Tim Duncan was in the draft.... and that's what it takes for a small market team.

Read the bolded part again. Going 20-62 is not barely missing the playoffs.

That's missing them by a huge margin.
 
This is what you said:



Read the bolded part again. Going 20-62 is not barely missing the playoffs.

That's missing them by a huge margin.
You're absolutely right, I misspoke twice! So, you nitpicked and disregarded the point of my post. Check, got it. All good.
 
One thing about this article is it tends to take a doomsday scenario regarding the Blazers. "They are fucked unless they offer incentive deals to get rid of salary." I think as long as we take a measured approach to getting out from under our cap bind it can be done. If we give ourselves a few trade windows and take advantage of league trade situations.... we can do it. The question is whether Olshey or not have the gumption. He just has to be slick.
 
That's a load. The pats ALWAYS win when Brady is hurt.

Cassell and Garoppolo both did well and both got paid. Cassell SUCKED outside of Bill Belichick's system....
How nany championships do the Pats have without Brady.....EVER
 
I don't know one poster on this board who agreed with:

Extending Butters
Signing Turner to that enormous contract.
Matching Crabbe

No one got "yelled at" for disagreeing with these stances. Matter of fact, when did someone yell at someone for disagreeing with them? You might get "clowned" but yelled at?
I'll sign up to wanting to match Crabbe. And I'd like it if he was still here. Instead of 40M/yr of others...
 
But I'm kind of with Wizard Mentor on this one. There's a lot of inaccuracy in the article. Some of which turn out to be premise-shifters, so... :dunno:

In all the doom-and-gloom, in the case that we can't do anything good at all, Meyers, Mo, ET, Ed and Aminu will all be off the books by summer of 2020, when Dame and CJ (and Zach?) each have a year left on their rookie deals. So if nothing goes right, no trades are made and no FAs signed, we have 30y/o Dame, 29 y/o CJ, Zach entering his prime, 2018 and 2019 draft pick and Caleb with about 60M of cap space. Mediocrity solved.

Now, I personally think we can (and will) do better, but I think this is ok. You know what messes up that scenario above? Attaching first round picks to mistake contracts, in order to get further mistake contracts. Swapping 2+ years of an overpaid Leonard for 3+ years of someone else.
 
I don't know one poster on this board who agreed with:

Extending Butters
Signing Turner to that enormous contract.
Matching Crabbe

No one got "yelled at" for disagreeing with these stances. Matter of fact, when did someone yell at someone for disagreeing with them? You might get "clowned" but yelled at?

Lies. Revisionist history.

There were many. And they were arrogant when I immediately opposed. They said, Olshey is authority, so he must be right. Or, Olshey has just begun his changes. Or, just be a lazy thinker like me.
 
What? They went 20-62 during the 1996-97 season in order to get a high lottery pick.

Only because David Robinson suffered a season ending injury during the 6th game of the season. The year before they won 59 and they year before that, 62. They were already contenders before they drafted Duncan, but he put them over the top.

They basically added a once a generation player to a 60-win team. Most teams that win the lottery don't already have one of the top 50 players of all time on their roster. It was a unique combination of circumstances that hasn't been duplicated since.

Since Duncan, the only top 3 draft picks to win an NBA championship for the team that drafted them are LeBron James and Kyrie Irving, and that took LeBron leaving so CLE could get the #1 pick three times during his four year abscence, and then coming back and finally winning a title 9 years after being drafted. Again, an unprecedented set of circumstances.

In fact, of the 60 top 3 picks since Duncan was drafted, only 6 have won an NBA title (LeBron, Kyrie, Pau, Bogut, Adam Morrison and Durant). Pau and Morrison won with the Lakers. Bogut and Durant won with GSW.

So, twenty years, six future champions for three organizations and only one that tanked their way to a title (CLE and they had to tank once to get LeBron and tank for four more years before he came back).

Winning the lottery isn't nearly the panacea many in the pro tank crowd would have you believe. Sucking bad enough to get a top 3 pick is much more likely to be followed by several more years of sucking, followed by your top 3 pick getting fed up and leaving to have a better chance at winning a ring elsewhere.

BNM
 

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