How Many Years To Rebuild This Team?

[magnifier661]

lol apprently we are thinking alike today.

Great minds think a like!

But in all seriousness. In the 4th, teams are daring us to shoot the perimeter jumper, while packing the paint. We need to find players that would open things up for us. Hell maybe just a trade with Orlando could do the trick. Maybe we grab Turk? LOL

 

[craigehlo]

I think that would be a huge mistake. Rondo is arguably the worst perimeter shooting PG in the league. He is a great defender and can run the defense, but Boston had two deadly shooters to compensate for Rondo's inability to hit the perimeter shot. You think it's bad now, wait until teams pack the paint and dare Rondo and the hacks we have left on the team; leaving Aldridge suffocated down low.

He does so much that his lack of a 3 doesn't worry me that badly. He's 26 and #2 in the NBA in assists. That's a player you can build with IMHO. The priority to get a SG like Gordon would ratchet up if Batum were moved for him.

 

[magnifier661]

He does so much that his lack of a 3 doesn't worry me that badly. He's 26 and #2 in the NBA in assists. That's a player you can build with IMHO. The priority to get a SG like Gordon would ratchet up if Batum were moved for him.

Don't get me wrong, Rondo is an amazing player. Arguably one of the top 5 PGs in the league. The obvious problem is his lack of perimeter shooting. We need someone that can consistently knock down the open jumpers. If we had a JJ Reddick, then it maybe worth the risk.

 

[santeesioux]

How long to rebuild?

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[craigehlo]

Don't get me wrong, Rondo is an amazing player. Arguably one of the top 5 PGs in the league. The obvious problem is his lack of perimeter shooting. We need someone that can consistently knock down the open jumpers. If we had a JJ Reddick, then it maybe worth the risk.

Don't get hung up on the deficiencies of the current squad (there are almost too many to list). Adding Rondo would be a pretty major overhaul in the tempo and style this team plays. Adding him would be the first step in changing the character of the team on a meaningful way.

 

[mook]

For PG I'd like to go the Andre Miller route again. Obviously not Andre (he'd never come back) but a proven veteran older guy who knows his job (feed Aldridge/Batum, hit open threes). Maybe he doesn't win you a ton of games, but he doesn't lose them either and he spreads the floor.

If Billups is healthy and interested, I'd give him a long look. He can hit that three still, and he's got the veteran bag o' tricks.

Calderon is overpaid ($9 mil/1 more year) and on a .281 team. He might be had for some crummy players in a Gerald Wallace kind of deal.

Neither guy is a "Wow! That changes everything with their personal awesomeness!" move, but they are adequate rentals. Nash or Deron are obviously much more preferable, but it's pretty questionable that we could get either.

I'm not that excited about giving up Batum for Rondo. He's had interpersonal issues, he can't hit threes, he's shorter and older. His PER is good, but probably much worse than Batum since Batum became a starting SG. PG is a highly desired position, so that mitigates some of that. But not enough in my book.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

we def would have to have at least one consistent knock down shooter though, because they would sag off Rondo big time with this current lineup

This.

Rondo is both overrated and a head case.

 

[BBert]

no argument here. But I def would try and go the route of 3 team deal before throwing in Batum. Could be my homerism talking though

That's not homerism, that's common sense. We have to try like hell to get a decent point guard without giving up Batum. And if we can't, and have to lose Batum in the process, then he'd better be a pretty fucking good point guard, and be able to contribute for at least 4 years.

 

[craigehlo]

Rondo is both overrated and a head case.

If this overrated, I'll take it any day of the week.

1× NBA Champion: 2008
2× NBA All-Star: 2010, 2011
3× NBA All-Defensive:

First Team: 2010, 2011
Second Team: 2009

NBA All-Rookie selection:

Second team: 2007

NBA regular season leader:

steals: 2010 (189)
steals per game: 2010 (2.3)

Boston Celtics franchise records:

Most assists in a single season: 794 (2009–10)
Most steals in a single season: 189 (2009–10)
Most assists in a playoff game: 20 (2010–11)

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajon_Rondo

 

[magnifier661]

If this overrated, I'll take it any day of the week.

1× NBA Champion: 2008
2× NBA All-Star: 2010, 2011
3× NBA All-Defensive:

First Team: 2010, 2011
Second Team: 2009

NBA All-Rookie selection:

Second team: 2007

NBA regular season leader:

steals: 2010 (189)
steals per game: 2010 (2.3)

Boston Celtics franchise records:

Most assists in a single season: 794 (2009–10)
Most steals in a single season: 189 (2009–10)
Most assists in a playoff game: 20 (2010–11)

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajon_Rondo

Not for Batum though. There must be another way to get Rondo.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think the better questions to ask is when does LMA ask to be traded from this well run organization?

 

[BlazerBeav]

I think people here seem to have a skewed idea of how well run this franchise is. Despite the horrific series of injuries to two of our three cornerstone players, we still (hopefully) have a playoff team. Our team plays in a great arena and unlike some small market teams, isn't driven by trying to make a profit (Phoenix for example). Are things perfect? No. But the idea that we're one big clusterfuck and everyone else knows what they're doing is silly. LA fans want their GM's head.

 

[magnifier661]

What about this?

Boston, Phoenix and PDX - Three Team

Boston trades Rondo, their pick and Jerm; they receive Nash and Childress

PDX trades G. Wall and Felton; they receive Rondo and Jerm

Phoenix trades Nash and Childress; they receive Boston's pick, G. Wall and Felton.

Why Phoenix does it? Well they are rebuilding. This deal gives them another 7 mil in cap this summer. They also receive a pick and chances are they lose more games; which will give them a better shot at winning the draft lotto.

Why Boston does it? They have only 1-2 more years left with Garnett, Ray Allen and Pierce. Pairing them up with Nash would give them another 1-2 years of contention and then they can rebuild.

Why Portland does it? Well they get Rondo.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Getting a really good, proven point guard is going to be very expensive (not so much in dollars but in terms of assets). For now, this team should be looking for mere "competence" in the secondary tier (Ramon Sessions, Calderon, Luke Ridnour, etc.) and try like hell to finally draft and develop a guy at some point (maybe that's Nolan Smith, or maybe there's somebody in the draft this year?).

Frankly, I don't know how attractive this team is going to be free agents, but my gut tells me, "not very." If that's the case they should try to trade players into their cap space that they think can help them, with an eye to accumulating undervalued assets irrespective of position (sort of how Minny went out and grabbed guys like Anthony Randolph, Micheal Beasley, etc. for pennies on the dollar) and picks whenever they can. the goal should be getting more athletic, a little younger and stockpiling enough talent over the next two years that they actually have some ammunition in their belt when it comes to trades ... and for god's sake I hope they don't fall into the trap of trying to hold on to everyone again.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I think I'd rather have Augustine.

 

[Sedatedfork]

I think the better questions to ask is when does LMA ask to be traded from this well run organization?

He probably gets recruited at the ASG and if he makes the Olympic team. However, I don't think he is the type to publicly demand a trade. I imagine he wouldn't mind going to play for one of the Texas teams.

 

[Mediocre Man]

He probably gets recruited at the ASG and if he makes the Olympic team. However, I don't think he is the type to publicly demand a trade. I imagine he wouldn't mind going to play for one of the Texas teams.

Especially if his hometown Mavericks land Deron Williams

 

[Minstrel]

For PG I'd like to go the Andre Miller route again. Obviously not Andre (he'd never come back) but a proven veteran older guy who knows his job (feed Aldridge/Batum, hit open threes). Maybe he doesn't win you a ton of games, but he doesn't lose them either and he spreads the floor.

Getting a really good, proven point guard is going to be very expensive (not so much in dollars but in terms of assets). For now, this team should be looking for mere "competence" in the secondary tier (Ramon Sessions, Calderon, Luke Ridnour, etc.)

I pretty much concur with this line of thinking and will return to the Ramon Sessions drum that I've beating for the past three to four years. Outside of the one season in Minnesota, where he was shoehorned into a triangle-type offense that didn't suit him at all, he's been an above average point guard. At this point, he's a pretty proven veteran point guard and yet he's all of 25. He may not have much star potential, but he has the potential to be what some people here thought Felton was: a good, young-prime point guard who could grow with Aldridge and Batum (unlike Felton, though, Sessions has been above average through his career). You don't need a star at every position, but Sessions would give the team a chance at some long-term, competent stability at an important position and they can focus on adding another star at whatever position they can find or develop one.

 

[mook]

I pretty much concur with this line of thinking and will return to the Ramon Sessions drum that I've beating for the past three to four years. Outside of the one season in Minnesota, where he was shoehorned into a triangle-type offense that didn't suit him at all, he's been an above average point guard. At this point, he's a pretty proven veteran point guard and yet he's all of 25. He may not have much star potential, but he has the potential to be what some people here thought Felton was: a good, young-prime point guard who could grow with Aldridge and Batum (unlike Felton, though, Sessions has been above average through his career). You don't need a star at every position, but Sessions would give the team a chance at some long-term, competent stability at an important position and they can focus on adding another star at whatever position they can find or develop one.

Yeah, I'd be ok with Sessions. Certainly better than what we have now. But I'd personally prefer the recycled older PG's route. The older ones who are worth a damn I'm thinking of (guys like Billups, Calderon, Nash) all have decent 3 point range and playoff experience. Sessions has neither. (Well, historically anyway. Sessions is on a weird three pointer tear right now (43% on 44 shots). If he doesn't come back down to earth on three point shooting I might change my mind.)

 

[Masbee]

Yeah, I'd be ok with Sessions. Certainly better than what we have now. But I'd personally prefer the recycled older PG's route. The older ones who are worth a damn I'm thinking of (guys like Billups, Calderon, Nash) all have decent 3 point range and playoff experience. Sessions has neither. (Well, historically anyway. Sessions is on a weird three pointer tear right now (43% on 44 shots). If he doesn't come back down to earth on three point shooting I might change my mind.)

Billups is out for the season with an injury.

Nash would cost a lot to obtain in a trade being the face of the franchise.

Calderon can't guard a chair, so he solves one problem while creating a new one. Not sure what Toronto would want for him. I would assume a lot as their backup is Anthony Carter (Bayless and Barbosa are combo guards) and thus, Calderon leads the Raptors in minutes played.

You are going to have to find some new candidates.

 

[MARIS61]

1 year, if smart people ran this team.

 

[mook]

Billups is out for the season with an injury.

Nash would cost a lot to obtain in a trade being the face of the franchise.

Calderon can't guard a chair, so he solves one problem while creating a new one. Not sure what Toronto would want for him. I would assume a lot as their backup is Anthony Carter (Bayless and Barbosa are combo guards) and thus, Calderon leads the Raptors in minutes played.

You are going to have to find some new candidates.

I was discussing options for either at the trade deadline or next year, so with Billups I was assuming he'd recover by then. Don't know how serious his injuries are.

Nash would cost a lot. I'm not optimistic, but it's a possibility. Gerald Wallace was once the face of a franchise too. Of course, contract situations are different.

Yeah, Calderon's defense sucks. But with good-to-great defenders at so many other positions, maybe we can live with that. We've got a lot more guys who can defend than we do guys who can hit a three pointer or run an offense. As for him leading the team in minutes played, well, he's leading a team winning at a .281 clip. Are they really worried about getting worse? A deal where we send Felton and a youngster saves them $10 mil next year. They start Felton for the rest of this year and then let him leave.

For the quick fix, I kind of like the Calderon deal most in terms of feasibility. He's nobody's "dream point guard," but he's better than the nightmare we have now.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I don't think a quick fix with players over 35 is the answer. It might be if we had some really good young talent on the bench waiting to mature, but that really isn't the case- so Nash and Billups are out for me.

I like the idea of Calderon.

 

[magnifier661]

I think it's very possible to get a Nash and not have to give up Batum. I think that core is a solid one for the next 3 years. Then hopefully we get some E. Will action. I truly believe this kid actually can be another "Batum type" diamond in the rough. I think he has more drive to be the best and has that chip on his shoulder that he can be the best.

With that said, I would try my best to get a decent shooting PG, that is a facilitator. What other PGs are out there that can fill this need? Well we don't need superstars. We just need a player like "Ridnour" or at that caliber. I think we can get a player like that pretty easily.

I think the next step is to find a starting caliber PF. I think Aldridge is big enough now to play center. We need another banger in the line-up. I think Gooden would be fine, but I would hope for more of a Landry type.

 

[Masbee]

I think it's very possible to get a Nash and not have to give up Batum. I think that core is a solid one for the next 3 years. Then hopefully we get some E. Will action. I truly believe this kid actually can be another "Batum type" diamond in the rough. I think he has more drive to be the best and has that chip on his shoulder that he can be the best.

With that said, I would try my best to get a decent shooting PG, that is a facilitator. What other PGs are out there that can fill this need? Well we don't need superstars. We just need a player like "Ridnour" or at that caliber. I think we can get a player like that pretty easily.

I think the next step is to find a starting caliber PF. I think Aldridge is big enough now to play center. We need another banger in the line-up. I think Gooden would be fine, but I would hope for more of a Landry type.

Milsap would be good. We almost nabbed him too.

 

[Blaze01]

I was discussing options for either at the trade deadline or next year, so with Billups I was assuming he'd recover by then. Don't know how serious his injuries are.

Nash would cost a lot. I'm not optimistic, but it's a possibility. Gerald Wallace was once the face of a franchise too. Of course, contract situations are different.

Yeah, Calderon's defense sucks. But with good-to-great defenders at so many other positions, maybe we can live with that. We've got a lot more guys who can defend than we do guys who can hit a three pointer or run an offense. As for him leading the team in minutes played, well, he's leading a team winning at a .281 clip. Are they really worried about getting worse? A deal where we send Felton and a youngster saves them $10 mil next year. They start Felton for the rest of this year and then let him leave.

For the quick fix, I kind of like the Calderon deal most in terms of feasibility. He's nobody's "dream point guard," but he's better than the nightmare we have now.

All of those moves are like trying to patch up a sinking ship with duct tape.....

 

[3RA1N1AC]

rondo has a secret extensive doll collection, from my 1980's movie star source, also marshall faulk is a degenerate gambler

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Not that long if they could get a similar deal for aldridge that utah got for deron. Tank the rest of the season for a lotto pick in this draft, and resign batum.

 

[magnifier661]

Milsap would be good. We almost nabbed him too.

If we could grab Milsap; we would not be good. We'd be SET!