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[THE HCP]

And Root will say it's not their fault as well.

But we know that’s not the truth.

 

[illmatic99]

yeah those are the only people who have a legit grip imo

Choices similarly limited in Central OR for me. Cheapest option I have is $110/month when you include all the cable boxes, fees etc. League pass blacks out not only the blazers but also the warriors and kings for me, which is hilarious.

I was paying close to 120 for the whole season for the team pass while I lived out of state.

The gripe is about the system and the team missing a golden opportunity to be a "trailblazer" but they took the quick buck instead.

 

[illmatic99]

There was some detailed posts about a month ago that showed since Paul Allen bought the Blazers the returns haven't exceeded average returns of the stock market. Yes that seemed unbelievable to me seeing 70 million go to 2 billlion. But owning the Blazers has been a rather average investment. Compound interest is crazy.

That was only looking at holding value changes. Factoring in those $100million loss years Paul Allen was eating and the investment looks even worse. I'm sure Paul made money from affiliated businesses and profits in more recent seasons, still I'd expect cumulative losses have exceeded the profits.

So no, the Blazers haven't been a "ridiculous profit" investment.

I question those numbers. Got a link? Id be curious to see any sustained losses of 100 mil per yr being real

 

[SharpesTriumph]

This is funny to me because for the majority of people, they could just get Comcast and pay only a little more than YouTubetv or Hulu

If you can afford YouTubetv you can afford Comcast. If you hate Comcast and will never be a customer, well welcome to capitalism

imo only people like @Wheels have a true grip

The Blazers are perfectly in their right to take the largest regional TV contract. I would think less of them if they didn't take it.

So there are a bunch of vocal Blazer fans that don't want to pay for access to the team, and the Blazers might risk alienating some of them. I don't see any fault with the Blazers here. The fans can buy service, or choose not to, thats how the world functions, thats the norm in all professional sports, thats the norm throughout the NBA.

This notion that the Blazers can take vastly less revenue now to ensure more people watch the games and build a larger following in the future is ludicrous. The Blazers would be setting an expectation with their fan base to expect an inexpensive or free product. It seems more likely to cost both current revenue and harm future revenue, the Blazers would not have a history of a product selling for value to capitalize on as they will now.

 

[Natebishop3]

vastly less revenue

Really? You think it's VASTLY less? I highly doubt that.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I question those numbers. Got a link? Id be curious to see any sustained losses of 100 mil per yr being real

Its a privately held company so your never going to have full financials.

There was plenty of articles with comments from the team and reporting in the media years ago about 2000 to Jail Blazers, Steve Patterson, Larry Miller period losing tons of money before McGowen. Sly in this thread posted about it.

My point is 70 million to 2 billion isn't beating the stock market, yet it seems like a shocking enormous profit. You or anyone can do the math. So the Blazers aren't in some position to give fans free products with huge windfalls of capital gains. Although I disagree with that notion regardless of the gains.

 

[Strenuus]

This is funny to me because for the majority of people, they could just get Comcast and pay only a little more than YouTubetv or Hulu

If you can afford YouTubetv you can afford Comcast. If you hate Comcast and will never be a customer, well welcome to capitalism

imo only people like @Wheels have a true grip

Thats not even the real issue. At all. It's making it available to people so they have CHOICES. Not monopolize.

If you haven't noticed in recent times, people have issues with cable companies in principle, otherwise YTTV and other streaming companies wouldn't be getting this deals (or not getting them, as is this case).

Comcast is fucking stupid. On principal alone I and many many many many others choose not to use them for cable. There needs to be choices. We live in a time where choices are paramount to customer satisfaction. This antiquated "well, just go with the one that has it" doesn't fly in principle in the current consumer market. Consumer minds have changed and evolved and this issue here is a direct anecdote of that.

 

[Orion Bailey]

The Blazers are perfectly in their right to take the largest regional TV contract. I would think less of them if they didn't take it.

So there are a bunch of vocal Blazer fans that don't want to pay for access to the team, and the Blazers might risk alienating some of them. I don't see any fault with the Blazers here. The fans can buy service, or choose not to, thats how the world functions, thats the norm in all professional sports, thats the norm throughout the NBA.

This notion that the Blazers can take vastly less revenue now to ensure more people watch the games and build a larger following in the future is ludicrous. The Blazers would be setting an expectation with their fan base to expect an inexpensive or free product. It seems more likely to cost both current revenue and harm future revenue, the Blazers would not have a history of a product selling for value to capitalize on as they will now.

you have this wrong. Its not Dont want to. Its, cant.
Go look at a map of comcast serviceable communities in the nw and notice the large gaps for smaller communities.
And many companies plan long term, not short term. Its how they last. So its not ludicrous.

 

[illmatic99]

Really? You think it's VASTLY less? I highly doubt that.

lot of hyperbole from those posts, im just asking for this evidence.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Thats not even the real issue. At all. It's making it available to people so they have CHOICES. Not monopolize.

If you haven't noticed in recent times, people have issues with cable companies in principle, otherwise YTTV and other streaming companies wouldn't be getting this deals (or not getting them, as is this case).

Comcast is fucking stupid. On principal alone I and many many many many others choose not to use them for cable. There needs to be choices. We live in a time where choices are paramount to customer satisfaction. This antiquated "well, just go with the one that has it" doesn't fly in principle in the current consumer market. Consumer minds have changed and evolved and this issue here is a direct anecdote of that.

Great post!

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Really? You think it's VASTLY less? I highly doubt that.

So you want the Blazers to sign a contract with a distributor who has fees that Youtube, Hulu, Comcast, DirectTV, Dish, Fubo all agree to pay? I would expect that is vastly less than Root agreed to pay, but it would be difficult to come up with an amount.

For all I know there wasn't a single offer besides Root. Do you know how much any of the other offers were?

 

[illmatic99]

i grew up in a time when i could watch like 25 games on KGW for free every year after my folks decided to cancel our cable subscription. Guess Paul Allen didn't care much of making every last dollar that he could.

 

[Orion Bailey]

There are alot of people who live outside of these red zones…

 

[SharpesTriumph]

i grew up in a time when i could watch like 25 games on KGW for free every year after my folks decided to cancel our cable subscription. Guess Paul Allen didn't care much of making every last dollar that he could.

Yes I remember this.

I also remember buying BlazersCable for some crazy high fee such as $20 a game, basically pay per view. We'd have a bunch of friends all chip in some money and order it.

Maybe we end up with that option again.

 

[Natebishop3]

So you want the Blazers to sign a contract with a distributor who has fees that Youtube, Hulu, Comcast, DirectTV, Dish, Fubo all agree to pay? I would expect that is vastly less than Root agreed to pay, but it would be difficult to come up with an amount.

For all I know there wasn't a single offer besides Root. Do you know how much any of the other offers were?

So you're making an assumption that:

1. There wasn't any other offers besides Root (which is highly unlikely) and

2. That Root's offer was VASTLY higher than any other offer?

Which is it? Root was the only offer or Root offered vastly more money? And if Root was the only offer, why would they offer tons of money?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

There are alot of people who live outside of these red zones…


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Could you please post a larger picture? It won't completely fill up an 8K monitor.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Could you please post a larger picture? It won't completely fill up an 8K monitor.

Lol. Thats your response?

ooookay.

 

[Natebishop3]

So you want the Blazers to sign a contract with a distributor who has fees that Youtube, Hulu, Comcast, DirectTV, Dish, Fubo all agree to pay?

Also, LOL Fubo.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

So you're making an assumption that:

1. There wasn't any other offers besides Root (which is highly unlikely) and

2. That Root's offer was VASTLY higher than any other offer?

Which is it? Root was the only offer or Root offered vastly more money? And if Root was the only offer, why would they offer tons of money?

I never assumed that.

I'm assuming Root was clearly the best offer; since that is the one the Blazers signed.

You want the Blazers to consider a different offer but you have no idea what that is?

Maybe it was an insignificantly lower amount and the Blazers are alienating fans, causing backlash for no benefit. I'm skeptical of that.

 

[James lamphear]

I just wanted to compare HCP to a fry cook.

Hell while he yelling he probably eating the fries at the same time.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Lol. Thats your response?

ooookay.

Ok I'm back, I got lost scrolling through your screenshot.

You do bring up a good point if people cant get Comcast.

Now they could get Fubo, and we will have to see by gameday if there are more options. Maybe you can get comcast TV just to stream it.

It would be crazy for Root to spend all this money, then only sell the channel to Comcast and Fubo.

But I support businesses selling their products for the best value they can, car companies, airlines, hotels, restaurants, entertainers, NBA teams, even my Blazers. If the Blazers were the only NBA team doing this type of market activity I might think more harshly of them, but its a common practice throughout the league.

 

[James lamphear]

Dish told me that Root was charging to much and they didn't want hand down the extra cost to there customer that didn't watch. I told well charge the one that actually want the channel but I guess they couldn't do that or some other BS they trying to throw at me.

 

[bigbailes]

So your hate of Comcast is greater than your love of the Blazers, that's a perfectly reasonable stance to take, that is until you complain about not getting to watch the team. This is a wanting your cake and eating it too situation. It would be awesome if ROOT was on every platform, but like many channels out there, it's not. You have to pick and choose what is important to you. I appreciate your convictions against the big bad cable companies (that are no better or worse than Dish or DTV) but then don't give me the sob story of you not being able to watch the games either.

And yes, I feel for those that can't/couldn't get Comcast where they are.

 

[THE HCP]

Yes I remember this.

I also remember buying BlazersCable for some crazy high fee such as $20 a game, basically pay per view. We'd have a bunch of friends all chip in some money and order it.

Maybe we end up with that option again.

Thats what we grew up with as a kid. $19.99 per game. Neighbors used to come over and throw money in the jar and we’d all watch in the basement.

 

[Tince]

How do you know the contract doesn't have any of this?

I don't. If it does, the Blazers are in a great position to flex their power now that Root is only being offered on two platforms. I'm not holding my breath though.

 

[HailBlazers]

Thats what we grew up with as a kid. $19.99 per game. Neighbors used to come over and throw money in the jar and we’d all watch in the basement.

Same. Great memories.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Thats what we grew up with as a kid. $19.99 per game. Neighbors used to come over and throw money in the jar and we’d all watch in the basement.

B.S. Everyone knows you were actually playing D&D in your mom's basement....

 

[Shaboid]

Can't get comcast where I live, so I will just be pirating a stream. Not sure who bottom line that will be effecting, but I guess I'm supposed to hope that it's Root Sports?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Clearly, the Blazers are afraid to get to the root of the problem.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

This is funny to me because for the majority of people, they could just get Comcast and pay only a little more than YouTubetv or Hulu

If you can afford YouTubetv you can afford Comcast. If you hate Comcast and will never be a customer, well welcome to capitalism

imo only people like @Wheels have a true grip

Yeah i pay for Comcast and have been pretty happy. Easy to navigate. I get all the apps I want like Netflix and Disney and Peacock as well as You Tube.
Cost with Internet is about $130 a month for everything. Never a problem and if there is they fix it pretty quick.
I have 4 TV's in the house with one in the kids room and one in the spare room that only do apps. I also have a exercise bike (Peloton) that is hooked up to the internet and App systems.