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[PtldPlatypus]

One logical fallacy here is the idea that not losing fans despite restricted availability is equivalent to gaining fans via a wider distribution. The "take the most money now" mindset is extremely short-term thinking. Greater availability would lead to increased viewership, and this greater revenue in future distribution deals.

 

[Shaboid]

Are you applying this logic to Fred Meyer, Chevron or MudBay?

What?

 

[THE HCP]

When it pops up, it almost looks like when you get those youtube questions randomly. It's embedded in the screen, and not actually a part of any broadcast, if that makes sense.

I've seen NBATV do random shit like that on their shows...... garbage.

 

[Phatguysrule]

My main thing is, flat out. A business is going to make deals that are best for their success in my opinion. Shoe stores, gas stations and restaurants. Plain and simple. This is on the distributors/rights owners of the games which is NOT the Blazers,it’s ROOT. As long as that is acknowledged, I’m cool with people being upset.

It's also on the Blazers. They aren't blameless here. They signed a lucrative contract that can screw their fans.

They either made that choice, or they were too stupid to consider protecting their fans.

Either way, they share some of the blame. There is nothing they can do until the next contract, but that doesn't remove their culpability.

 

[illmatic99]

I've seen NBATV do random shit like that on their shows...... garbage.

here are some screenshots i found on twitter:

 

[Phatguysrule]

Oh they would charge so much more than that per month. Especially if they make it the only way to see it. $30-40 would be the bottom end of their starting price per month.

I'm not sure they would have to charge that much. They would get the ad revenue from commercials rather than the provider. That should be able to offset some of the cost.

Does anybody know how much it costs to run a commercial during a Blazer game in the regular season?

 

[THE HCP]

It's also on the Blazers. They aren't blameless here. They signed a lucrative contract that can screw their fans.

They either made that choice, or they were too stupid to consider protecting their fans.

Either way, they share some of the blame. There is nothing they can do until the next contract, but that doesn't remove their culpability.

Then I guess they are guilty of signing a deal that makes them the most money then. A wise business decision, maybe not so wise for fans of this site or my family. I have friends who lost their businesses and a restaurant during 2020..... I don't blame businesses any more for doing what helps them succeed. Just don't.

 

[illmatic99]

Then I guess they are guilty of signing a deal that makes them the most money then. A wise business decision, maybe not so wise for fans of this site or my family. I have friends who lost their businesses and a restaurant during 2020..... I don't blame businesses any more for doing what helps them succeed. Just don't.

are you really trying to equate the decisions a 2 billion dollar franchise makes to those that a family business does?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Not sure so many of you are upset with @THE HCP about this, it's like you're upset over the dividends from your McDonald's stock so you yell at the fry cook.

 

[illmatic99]

Not sure so many of you are upset with @THE HCP about this, it's like you're upset over the dividends from your McDonald's stock so you yell at the fry cook.

i don't think anyone is upset with him as much as they are incredulous at his notion that the blazers should be absolved of any blame for this issue.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

i don't think anyone is upset with him as much as they are incredulous at his notion that the blazers should be absolved of any blame for this issue.

I just wanted to compare HCP to a fry cook.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I just wanted to compare HCP to a fry cook.

#BAM!

 

[illmatic99]

I'm not sure they would have to charge that much. They would get the ad revenue from commercials rather than the provider. That should be able to offset some of the cost.

Does anybody know how much it costs to run a commercial during a Blazer game in the regular season?

https://fitsmallbusiness.com/tv-advertising/

hard to find the actual figure, but ~100k for 30 seconds is the average for national tv. the cost on a regional network with a niche viewership demographic would have to be a fraction of that.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The Blazers lost money every year during the PA era until McGowen got here.

TV deals like this, no more $10 t-shirts, $25 for parking, etc. This is what running a small market franchise for profit looks like.

I may not like everything but...

This team making a profit pretty much kills any chance of it being moved to a different city.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Then I guess they are guilty of signing a deal that makes them the most money then. A wise business decision, maybe not so wise for fans of this site or my family. I have friends who lost their businesses and a restaurant during 2020..... I don't blame businesses any more for doing what helps them succeed. Just don't.

This deal wasn't going to make or break the Blazers. They will waste the value of this contract on players who don't get minutes probably next year alone.

I'm not upset with anybody here. It simply reinforces my view that they want people to pirate the games.

So I'll no longer feel bad about about directing people to quality streams.

It's all good.

 

[Phatguysrule]

https://fitsmallbusiness.com/tv-advertising/

hard to find the actual figure, but ~100k for 30 seconds is the average for national tv. the cost on a regional network with a niche viewership demographic would have to be a fraction of that.

So $5k for 30 seconds? If there is 1hr worth of commercials that's $600k per game.

That would be $49,200,000 over 82 games.

If it's $1000 (Oregon is 1.27% of the US population) per 30 seconds it's still over $9,840,000 per season...

 

[Natebishop3]

This team making a profit pretty much kills any chance of it being moved to a different city.

Why? If anything it shows that a team making a profit in podunk Portland can make an even bigger profit in a larger city.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Why? If anything it shows that a team making a profit in podunk Portland can make an even bigger profit in a larger city.

Because there is no reason for the team to move.

Last two teams to move were the Sonics and Nets. The reasons given were bad arenas and losing money. Here in Portland the Moda has been maintained and continually improved. And the team is making money. The NBA is not going to allow the Blazers to move.

What larger market doesn't have a team?

 

[illmatic99]

So $5k for 30 seconds? If there is 1hr worth of commercials that's $600k per game.

That would be $49,200,000 over 82 games.

If it's $1000 (Oregon is 1.27% of the US population) per 30 seconds it's still over $9,840,000 per season...

it's somewhat manageable to make up the cost. but it's also hard to quantify the impact of increasing the fanbase with larger distribution (which would be the main selling point).

but all this is pointless to discuss when the team and league are so antiquated in their thinking.

 

[illmatic99]

The Blazers lost money every year during the PA era until McGowen got here.

TV deals like this, no more $10 t-shirts, $25 for parking, etc. This is what running a small market franchise for profit looks like.

I may not like everything but...

This team making a profit pretty much kills any chance of it being moved to a different city.

who cares if they lose money every year when they just turned a 70 million investment to 2 billion in valuation? And the 260 mil PA put into the rose garden wasn't exactly a sunk cost either.

Even with inflation, that is a ridiculous profit.

 

[Phatguysrule]

it's somewhat manageable to make up the cost. but it's also hard to quantify the impact of increasing the fanbase with larger distribution (which would be the main selling point).

but all this is pointless to discuss when the team and league are so antiquated in their thinking.

Agreed. I'm simply saying the ads alone would likely support the streaming fee. This wasn't a smart business decision as much as a typical business decision which screws the many for the benefit of the few.

The Blazers had an opportunity to set a precedent and make a lot of money. Instead, they chose the status quo. Either out of greed or ignorance, there is no way around it. It's a missed opportunity.

 

[Natebishop3]

Because there is no reason for the team to move.

Last two teams to move were the Sonics and Nets. The reasons given were bad arenas and losing money. Here in Portland the Moda has been maintained and continually improved. And the team is making money. The NBA is not going to allow the Blazers to move.

What larger market doesn't have a team?

Looking at this list
https://mediatracks.com/resources/nielsen-dma-rankings-2020/

Seattle and Tampa are quite a bit larger than Portland.
St. Louis is similar sized to Portland, but is known to be a better overall sports town.
Vegas seems to be pretty popular these days, but isn't bigger than Portland.

The thing we have against our city is our timezone and our overall lack of popularity league wide. Not saying that the team is ever going to move, but I really don't think profitability in Portland is going to be the deciding factor. The overall value of a team in a large market is worth more than a team in a mid-sized market.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Looking at this list
https://mediatracks.com/resources/nielsen-dma-rankings-2020/

Seattle and Tampa are quite a bit larger than Portland.
St. Louis is similar sized to Portland, but is known to be a better overall sports town.
Vegas seems to be pretty popular these days, but isn't bigger than Portland.

The thing we have against our city is our timezone and our overall lack of popularity league wide. Not saying that the team is ever going to move, but I really don't think profitability in Portland is going to be the deciding factor. The overall value of a team in a large market is worth more than a team in a mid-sized market.

The NBA would be better off making Seattle and Tampa expansion franchises.

 

[Natebishop3]

The NBA would be better off making Seattle and Tampa expansion franchises.

I also kinda wonder if they might make another foray into the north. It didn't work the first time, but I also think they didn't give it enough time.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I also kinda wonder if they might make another foray into the north. It didn't work the first time, but I also think they didn't give it enough time.

I would love to have Vancouver BC in the NBA again.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I would love to have Vancouver BC in the NBA again.

And seattle. The nw division would be the nw again and our total season travel distance will decrease considerably.

 

[THE HCP]

are you really trying to equate the decisions a 2 billion dollar franchise makes to those that a family business does?

Email ROOT

 

[THE HCP]

i don't think anyone is upset with him as much as they are incredulous at his notion that the blazers should be absolved of any blame for this issue.

Then complain to the team. they will tell you what I’ve been trying to get across here. Nothing they can do about it. #EmailROOT

 

[Wheels]

I may not like everything but...

This team making a profit pretty much kills any chance of it being moved to a different city.

Counterpoint. It would be a lot easier to watch the team if they were in another city

 

[Wheels]

Then complain to the team. they will tell you what I’ve been trying to get across here. Nothing they can do about it. #EmailROOT

My guy. We get it. It’s out of there hands now. But I think it’s perfectly fine for people to be annoyed with a franchise that has done a decent amount to show they don’t actually give an f about the fans for at least a couple decades.