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[THE HCP]

Perfect. Have at it. Then a bunch of people will pirate it. No need to feel bad about it.

No need to feel bad about helping people figure out how to pirate it either...

I can’t promote that, but would totally understand if it happened. Blazers will still get their money from ROOT regardless. I’m not sure who pirating effects/affects the most to be honest.

 

[Tince]

You guys keep saying big picture, long term…..what do you think is going to happen honestly? EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN EVERY SINGLE MAJOR LEAGUE SPORT (besides the NFL, because they have no regional, local broadcasts) take the best offer they get. Most money they are offered. EVERY SINGLE TEAM!

I don't know who "you guys" are, but I'll try to speak for myself on this one as I'm not speaking on behalf of any group.

I agree that every team is likely to take what they feel of as the best offer and I have no doubt this organization is doing that in this case. You seem to be implying that every team selects the provider that offers them the most money, without regard to other factors. While in general, that might be true, I have no information to back up such a claim. If you do, please share. It also would be wrong to blindly assume that every move an organization makes thinking it is the best move, is truly the best move. The Blazers organization is able to make mistakes, so I can't always assume that just because they made a choice it was the best one.

I sense your passion to defend your employer on this and I have zero issue with that. Likewise, I have zero issue with people saying they are frustrated with Root Sports and the Blazers organization.

 

[THE HCP]

I actually had a friend of mine in the business try to explain to me even whats going on, because I’m confused as well…..he sent me this…..

Think of it as old ROOT programming and new ROOT programming.

City doesn’t matter.

Directv pays for old ROOT (Mariners and Timbers)

Comcast and Fubo pays for new or enhanced ROOT (Mariners, Timbers, Blazers and Kraken)

In order to get Blazers, the provider needs to pay for Enhanced ROOT. Pre NBA/NHL contracts are at a lesser rate per subscriber and don’t include the new acquisitions.

 

[THE HCP]

I don't know who "you guys" are, but I'll try to speak for myself on this one as I'm not speaking on behalf of any group.

I agree that every team is likely to take what they feel of as the best offer and I have no doubt this organization is doing that in this case. You seem to be implying that every team selects the provider that offers them the most money, without regard to other factors. While in general, that might be true, I have no information to back up such a claim. If you do, please share. It also would be wrong to blindly assume that every move an organization makes thinking it is the best move, is truly the best move. The Blazers organization is able to make mistakes, so I can't always assume that just because they made a choice it was the best one.

I sense your passion to defend your employer on this and I have zero issue with that. Likewise, I have zero issue with people saying they are frustrated with Root Sports and the Blazers organization.

Just a reminder though…..I CAN’T EVEN WATCH THE GAMES IN MY OWN HOME. MY DAUGHTER HASN”T BEEN ABLE TO HER WHOLE LIFE. So I might actually have more beef with this than those who have been able to watch the last 15 seasons ya think.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I can’t promote that, but would totally understand if it happened. Blazers will still get their money from ROOT regardless. I’m not sure who pirating effects/affects the most to be honest.

Yep, exactly my point. It doesn't hurt the Blazers. Only Root. The best thing we can do is show them that we refuse to do anything except stream it. I'd gladly pay for a good option.

But I'm ok with getting that option for free as well.

 

[Tince]

Wonder if ROOT told them they had a plan….Comcast did on the last one.

Who knows. When I sign a big deal in my life (let's say buying a house), I don't leave it to what the seller TELLS me the improvements they'll try to make before I move in, I go off of what improvements we agree to in writing; which allows me to have some power/protection in the transaction. If the Blazers are signing mega deals on good faith of someone other companies word, especially if they have been burned in a previous deal, that would be a concern to me.

 

[THE HCP]

And I have no links. But c’mon, all teams are a business in all leagues. They are all taking the most money. You think the NFL gives a shit what ESPN/CBS/NBC doesn’t with their games? SHit, they are making 10os of billions off their deal and loving it. Knowing the fan base isn’t going anywhere. EVER!.

 

[THE HCP]

I actually had a friend of mine in the business try to explain to me even whats going on, because I’m confused as well…..he sent me this…..

Think of it as old ROOT programming and new ROOT programming.

City doesn’t matter.

Directv pays for old ROOT (Mariners and Timbers)

Comcast and Fubo pays for new or enhanced ROOT (Mariners, Timbers, Blazers and Kraken)

In order to get Blazers, the provider needs to pay for Enhanced ROOT. Pre NBA/NHL contracts are at a lesser rate per subscriber and don’t include the new acquisitions.

Bump

 

[THE HCP]

Who knows. When I sign a big deal in my life (let's say buying a house), I don't leave it to what the seller TELLS me the improvements they'll try to make before I move in, I go off of what improvements we agree to in writing; which allows me to have some power/protection in the transaction. If the Blazers are signing mega deals on good faith of someone other companies word, especially if they have been burned in a previous deal, that would be a concern to me.

I want to understand your comparison. On the Blazers side, they get the most money, and know they can do the same in 5/6/7 years regardless of what happens on this deal. I’m trying to figure out how that would compare in your house transaction.

 

[Tince]

Just a reminder though…..I CAN’T EVEN WATCH THE GAMES IN MY OWN HOME. MY DAUGHTER HASN”T BEEN ABLE TO HER WHOLE LIFE. So I might actually have more beef with this than those who have been able to watch the last 15 seasons ya think.

I'm not sure what your point if here, but I'm sorry you're frustrated about the lack of access for your family.

 

[THE HCP]

I'm not sure what your point if here, but I'm sorry you're frustrated about the lack of access for your family.

You had just mentioned that you understood I was defending my company, and that you understood why people are frustrated. I was just saying i am just as frustrated as a customer and fan. That I’ve been dealing with this for 15 years and this is just now effecting/affecting people for the first time.

 

[Tince]

I want to understand your comparison. On the Blazers side, they get the most money, and know they can do the same in 5/6/7 years regardless of what happens on this deal. I’m trying to figure out how that would compare in your house transaction.

You asked if me if Root told the Blazers if the had a plan and implied Comcast did tell them that in the past. Correct? My analogy is that when big transactions are worked out, you make sure the things you value are put in writing, you don't go off someones word.

I'm not questioning if Root is paying the Blazers the most money, they probably are. I'm questioning if getting the most money on a deal is of greater value to organization than potentially converting non-fans into fringe fans, and fringe fans into die-hard fans through availabilty of their product. This increase would certainly lead to higher demand for their product, allowing them to increase ticket prices, sell more merch, etc. which in turn could actually make them more money.

Just like I might question a coaches or GMs move, I'm questioning McGowen and the Blazers here. My questioning doesn't mean I'm right and the Blazers are wrong. However, like other recent moves, the organization is struggling to make a deal anywhere without the honeymoon period wearing abnormally quick.

 

[Tince]

You had just mentioned that you understood I was defending my company, and that you understood why people are frustrated. I was just saying i am just as frustrated as a customer and fan. That I’ve been dealing with this for 15 years and this is just now effecting/affecting people for the first time.

So if you're frustrated, then you can understand why others are frustrated too, right? It seems like you think the Blazers are victims in this situation, which I personally don't feel is accurate.

 

[THE HCP]

You asked if me if Root told the Blazers if the had a plan and implied Comcast did tell them that in the past. Correct? My analogy is that when big transactions are worked out, you make sure the things you value are put in writing, you don't go off someones word.

I'm not questioning if Root is paying the Blazers the most money, they probably are. I'm questioning if getting the most money on a deal is of greater value to organization than potentially converting non-fans into fringe fans, and fringe fans into die-hard fans through availabilty of their product. This increase would certainly lead to higher demand for their product, allowing them to increase ticket prices, sell more merch, etc. which in turn could actually make them more money.

Just like I might question a coaches or GMs move, I'm questioning McGowen and the Blazers here. My questioning doesn't mean I'm right and the Blazers are wrong. However, like other recent moves, the organization is struggling to make a deal anywhere without the honeymoon period wearing abnormally quick.

Great points.
I guess I’m just saying, it almost doesn’t matter? Like i said about the NFL, there fanbase is going nowhere regardless of what the networks do with their content. Thos customers will always be there. Just like the Sixers stuck with Comcast instead of jumping to Bally…..regional Bally offers a better streaming package, but Comcast was offering more money. So Philly didn’t think twice about it…..they straight knew their loyal fan base wasnt’ going anywhere regardless of when the games were aired. They had to make that cash.

 

[THE HCP]

So if you're frustrated, then you can understand why others are frustrated too, right? It seems like you think the Blazers are victims in this situation, which I personally don't feel is accurate.

Oh shit, that wasn’t my intent at all. Is that what you got from my posts?

 

[THE HCP]

So if you're frustrated, then you can understand why others are frustrated too, right? It seems like you think the Blazers are victims in this situation, which I personally don't feel is accurate.

My main thing is, flat out. A business is going to make deals that are best for their success in my opinion. Shoe stores, gas stations and restaurants. Plain and simple. This is on the distributors/rights owners of the games which is NOT the Blazers,it’s ROOT. As long as that is acknowledged, I’m cool with people being upset.

 

[THE HCP]

I actually had a friend of mine in the business try to explain to me even whats going on, because I’m confused as well…..he sent me this…..

Think of it as old ROOT programming and new ROOT programming.

City doesn’t matter.

Directv pays for old ROOT (Mariners and Timbers)

Comcast and Fubo pays for new or enhanced ROOT (Mariners, Timbers, Blazers and Kraken)

In order to get Blazers, the provider needs to pay for Enhanced ROOT. Pre NBA/NHL contracts are at a lesser rate per subscriber and don’t include the new acquisitions.

Bump

 

[Tince]

And I have no links. But c’mon, all teams are a business in all leagues. They are all taking the most money. You think the NFL gives a shit what ESPN/CBS/NBC doesn’t with their games? SHit, they are making 10os of billions off their deal and loving it. Knowing the fan base isn’t going anywhere. EVER!.

I think there is a flaw in your logic here. These deals can impact other revenue streams that could impact future earnings.

To give a basketball example. A player might be better of taking a $5m deal with a team who needs a starting SF and runs a system that fits their skill set, so when free agency hits the next year, they can get a bigger pay day. Opposed to signing a $7m deal with a team who had two all-star SFs already, where this player gets no minutes, and has decreased value in free agency.

It's possible the Blazers are taking the $7m deal right now that isn't the best deal for them in the long term.

 

[THE HCP]

It's possible the Blazers are taking the $7m deal right now that isn't the best deal for them in the long term.

Thats above my pay grade. Maybe everything will be streamed in 5 years and they wanted to get that last big chunk of cash from a Regional SPorts Network. I don’t know any details of the size of the deal though.

 

[THE HCP]

What I do know is that the game is tomorrow at 2pm in the afternoon. I hope the people on here that have me on ignore find this out the hard way.

 

[Tince]

What I do know is that the game is tomorrow at 2pm in the afternoon. I hope the people on here that have me on ignore find this out the hard way.

For those who can't read THE HCP's post: Be sure to turn into the Blazer game on Root Sports through Dish, Hulu, and YouTube TV at 2pm on Wednesday.

 

[AldoTrapani]

You guys can’t find 2 other blazer fan buddies who will put up on FuboTV with ya? It’ll be like 20 something bucks a month. And it looks like FuboTV does allow shared accounts.

After the season is over cancel because I’m also reading FuboTV has no contract.

My YouTubeTV account will still be my primary setup because fuck Comcast I refuse to go back to them.

Why isn’t this option talked about more

 

[Wheels]

My bad…..I was wondering who’s empty seat that was.

Thank you!

 

[Wheels]

You guys can’t find 2 other blazer fan buddies who will put up on FuboTV with ya? It’ll be like 20 something bucks a month. And it looks like FuboTV does allow shared accounts.

After the season is over cancel because I’m also reading FuboTV has no contract.

My YouTubeTV account will still be my primary setup because fuck Comcast I refuse to go back to them.

Why isn’t this option talked about more

I did a trial for fubo for a Ducks game week 1. I let my buddy log in to, and it booted me saying that it was in use elsewhere. Now granted I didn’t do a ton of research so maybe there was a setting I needed to do. But it did boot me.

 

[Wheels]

Mr. Allen was around during the last contract, channel switch. When Comcast wouldn’t work a deal out with DirecTV and others.

Doesn’t matter how tech savvy the team is, this is on ROOT, they have the rights to the broadcast, NOT the team.

The Blazers aren’t paying anybody to broadcast their games, ROOT is paying THEM.

They made the best business decision for the organization to make the most money. Pretty much like any other business. If your complaint is that they should have taken less money for their product, that’s not really how successful businesses work.

I understand your idea. And I don’t think people are saying they should have taken like half or whatever. Im not a business guy so I can’t say for certain it would even matter at all. But id wonder if it was just a floundering franchise like the Kings or something if these moves would hurt them. Dame brings in the viewers for sure. But sometimes it might be better to make a little less up front, to make more in the long run with fans and a bigger brand that you grew. Ultimately it may only be a few like me who went from 20-30 games a year from 60 miles out of town, to literally 1 game since Comcast deal started. But imo it’s a risk to alienate your local fan base, when let’s be honest, (especially without Dame) most fans nationwide don’t give two craps about the Blazers.

 

[AldoTrapani]

I did a trial for fubo for a Ducks game week 1. I let my buddy log in to, and it booted me saying that it was in use elsewhere. Now granted I didn’t do a ton of research so maybe there was a setting I needed to do. But it did boot me.

Ah interesting but I’m also reading you can pay for a higher tier for shared accounts..

 

[illmatic99]

My bad…..I was wondering who’s empty seat that was.

whose

 

[Wheels]

Ah interesting but I’m also reading you can pay for a higher tier for shared accounts..

Yeah maybe it didn’t apply for trial or something who knows. But definitely something for folks to read up on to be sure.

 

[Strenuus]

Ya, I just have never seen that. Local broadcasts put promos on the screen all the time…..but not the NBA…not the actual league pass. They can’t actually. They don’t have the ability to do that. If NBATV takes our feed, then they may do that on THEIR feed though. You guys might have to do a screen grab next time and we’ll take a look.

When it pops up, it almost looks like when you get those youtube questions randomly. It's embedded in the screen, and not actually a part of any broadcast, if that makes sense.

 

[Strenuus]

Blazers should simply offer their own streaming service. Whatever $5 to $10 a month and we get all the games. Make it easy for the fans.

Oh they would charge so much more than that per month. Especially if they make it the only way to see it. $30-40 would be the bottom end of their starting price per month.