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B-Roy said:
Yeah, the thing with sports "fans" is that they are called fanatics for a reason. They know fans won't stop being fans of the team just because they have to jump through some hoops to watch hoops. They may bitch and moan about it, but you're not losing as many customers as you would in the traditional sense when a normal company pisses off their consumers.

So just maximize short term value (eg. get the best contract you can, regardless of other factors), and the rest is not as important.
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I tend to agree with this theory, but on a broad sense, this is a little tricky. Part of their business is to pull in people who are not fans and make them fringe fans, then take the fringe fans and make them the die-hard fans who will follow the team anywhere. Pretty much everyone here falls into that last category, but I'm guessing the # of die-hard fans do not make up the majority of their revenue. Keeping and growing your market (fan base) is important and it is hard to pull people in if they have no chance of watching your product.
 
BonesJones said:
McGowan fucked up, big time.

But the biggest issue is ROOT demanding too much in negotiations, then painting it as other TV services choosing not to have them, and then going and telling Blazer fans to go call up those companies and tell them to carry ROOT Sports.

ROOT is greedy as fuck. The team didn't have much of a choice but gave up their leverage without forcing enough action from ROOT.
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how do you not foresee this when comcast did the exact same thing with the previous deal?
 
What tier is roots sports on fuboTV? Why not just go up on it with 3 buddies then cancel when the season is over. It’s 20 bucks or so a month with 3 ppl.
 
illmatic99 said:
how do you not foresee this when comcast did the exact same thing with the previous deal?
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Agreed. Undoubtedly they were aware of this outcome, but went to the highest bidder in the short-term and may or may not have factored in the potential lost revenue of growing their fan base.
 
Orion Bailey said:
See, i think thats part of the problem in many peoples’ eyes. Nothing has changed.
But in reality, everything has been changing/evolving.
Cable will go away one day.

The frustration is, a team that has such a techy savvy edge, isn’t trying to stay ahead of the curve on this.

Im not sure Mr. Allen would have just sat and let this happen without working to satisfy both entities of viewers, plugged and unplugged.

I believe the Blazers should have paid more to be on a larger Channel that has more viewing options. Pay more in the short term will pay off in the long run with a larger fan base.
The whole NW is up for grabs with no other team around.
I would have done everything possible to make sure the channel i contract with, had established contracts with both cable and streaming entities.
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Mr. Allen was around during the last contract, channel switch. When Comcast wouldn’t work a deal out with DirecTV and others.

Doesn’t matter how tech savvy the team is, this is on ROOT, they have the rights to the broadcast, NOT the team.

The Blazers aren’t paying anybody to broadcast their games, ROOT is paying THEM.

They made the best business decision for the organization to make the most money. Pretty much like any other business. If your complaint is that they should have taken less money for their product, that’s not really how successful businesses work.
 
Strenuus said:
I've seen the trivia thing too when I do league pass as well. On almost any stream.

That being said, I think there's a setting to turn it off.
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Ya, I just have never seen that. Local broadcasts put promos on the screen all the time…..but not the NBA…not the actual league pass. They can’t actually. They don’t have the ability to do that. If NBATV takes our feed, then they may do that on THEIR feed though. You guys might have to do a screen grab next time and we’ll take a look.
 
Tince said:
I agree this has been a "problem" for 10 years now. I think where people get a little frustrated is the Blazers have came out and said they want all their fans to be able to access Blazer games and then when they change to a new broadcast partner, they appear to have picked the platform that pays them the most vs one who has committed to offering their channel to providers at a price that the Blazers know will be picked up by the DirectTV, Dish, YouTubeTV, and Hulu's of the world. The Blazers could have worked that into a deal had they been willing to take a discount. Ultimately I get it is a business, but in the sports world, you're supposed to try and trick your fans into thinking you care about them being able to access your product.
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Great points. Wish that is how things worked out. It’s a business unfortunately.

Please, everybody contact their provider and demand them to carry the Trail Blazers. It’s a simple supply and demand …use your voice for change!!! The team has no pull at this point. You can complain to the team all you want, but the ball is not in their court.
 
Tince said:
I think the Blazers had to operate under the assumption that Root was going to be as greedy as possible
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We’ll that’s easy as fuck to say now FAMS. Where was this post in June? Nobody knows that kinda stuff my man.
 
Tince said:
I think the Blazers had to operate under the assumption that Root was going to be as greedy as possible and put one of these options in their contract lanague:

1) They can cancel the contract if <x>% of services do not have Root in their lineup package
2) Root must offer their channel at <x> amount per subscriber to providers
3) If <x>% of services don't have Root, they can offer their own internal streaming service.

Yes there are flaws in each of my 3 proposals I just spit-balled out, but all those smart people in a room, with time, could have ironed something out if they wanted to.
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I mean they should have done that 10+ years ago as well during last contract negotiations right? A TON of people were not able to watch games the last decade, now rage?
 
Tince said:
I tend to agree with this theory, but on a broad sense, this is a little tricky. Part of their business is to pull in people who are not fans and make them fringe fans, then take the fringe fans and make them the die-hard fans who will follow the team anywhere. Pretty much everyone here falls into that last category, but I'm guessing the # of die-hard fans do not make up the majority of their revenue. Keeping and growing your market (fan base) is important and it is hard to pull people in if they have no chance of watching your product.
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I’m quite sure that the ‘Die hard fans” like that are on here are indeed the minority of the fan base.
 
Blazers should simply offer their own streaming service. Whatever $5 to $10 a month and we get all the games. Make it easy for the fans.
 
THE HCP said:
I mean they should have done that 10+ years ago as well during last contract negotiations right? A TON of people were not able to watch games the last decade, now rage?
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I can't speak for the people who are raging. I was annoyed with it 10 years ago, I'm annoyed now, but I'd pay $100/month the watch the Blazers on TV, so I'm not the median customer.
 
Tince said:
Agreed. Undoubtedly they were aware of this outcome, but went to the highest bidder in the short-term and may or may not have factored in the potential lost revenue of growing their fan base.
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But do you blame this business for choosing the deal that makes them the most money. They are going to make one that loses revenue right? The TON of the fan base hasn’t been able to watch games in over a decade and I’m quite sure the fan base has grown actually. Seats ares till getting filled and gear is being purchased.
 
THE HCP said:
Mr. Allen was around during the last contract, channel switch. When Comcast wouldn’t work a deal out with DirecTV and others.

Doesn’t matter how tech savvy the team is, this is on ROOT, they have the rights to the broadcast, NOT the team.

The Blazers aren’t paying anybody to broadcast their games, ROOT is paying THEM.

They made the best business decision for the organization to make the most money. Pretty much like any other business. If your complaint is that they should have taken less money for their product, that’s not really how successful businesses work.
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fAir enough. However the Blazers elected to go with Root.
If i cant watch the Blazers outside of comcast zones, in turning in my tickets.

what kind of tv contracts are given to teams that cant get fans in the seats?

I just dont think Blazers were thinking big picture/long term.

as @BonesJones pointed out Root is difficult to deal with and the Blazers still went with them.
Have to hold the Blazers/mcgowan partly responsible.
 
Tince said:
I think the Blazers had to operate under the assumption that Root was going to be as greedy as possible and put one of these options in their contract lanague:

1) They can cancel the contract if <x>% of services do not have Root in their lineup package
2) Root must offer their channel at <x> amount per subscriber to providers
3) If <x>% of services don't have Root, they can offer their own internal streaming service.

Yes there are flaws in each of my 3 proposals I just spit-balled out, but all those smart people in a room, with time, could have ironed something out if they wanted to.
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Exactly this.
 
Tince said:
I can't speak for the people who are raging. I was annoyed with it 10 years ago, I'm annoyed now, but I'd pay $100/month the watch the Blazers on TV, so I'm not the median customer.
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I hear ya brother. I’m finding out with you guys today that my family, who has sat down and watched our first preseason games in our living room for the first time ever, only can do that 2 more times, then back to how it used to be. VERY frustrating for us. But, maybe because I kinda’ understand the business side of it, I know who to aim my anger towards. Took my own advice and just emailed ROOT.
 
THE HCP said:
We’ll that’s easy as fuck to say now FAMS. Where was this post in June? Nobody knows that kinda stuff my man.
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Nobody knew in June that Root Sports would operate like a greedy business? Had you asked me in June, I could've told you that. You don't think McGowen is smart enough to realize that? He knew, he just did the calculus that it was worth it.

Let me be on record moving forward: All future providers the Blazers deal with are likely to be greedy and if the Blazers #1 goal is to maximize distribution (it isn't), then they should negociate the contract accordingly.

Again, I get the Blazers logic. I don't love it, I'm not sure it's the smartest move long term, but I get it.
 
THE HCP said:
We’ll that’s easy as fuck to say now FAMS. Where was this post in June? Nobody knows that kinda stuff my man.
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Yeah, they just dealt with the same exact thing with Comcast.

They damn well should have had contingencies in place for this exact scenario (if maximum number of viewers were their priority).
 
Orion Bailey said:
fAir enough. However the Blazers elected to go with Root.
If i cant watch the Blazers outside of comcast zones, in turning in my tickets.

what kind of tv contracts are given to teams that cant get fans in the seats?

I just dont think Blazers were thinking big picture/long term.

as @BonesJones pointed out Root is difficult to deal with and the Blazers still went with them.
Have to hold the Blazers/mcgowan partly responsible.
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Understood and you have that right to not re-up your tix. You ask what kind of contract is given out to teams. Well we just got a new big one and like I’ve said….HUGE chunk of the fan base hasnt’ seen a game in over a decade and the fans are still knocking down the door to get in. So, I’m not sure everybody’s definition of “Big Picture/Long Term” But that seems like ample time for people to rise up with their complaints and demands.
 
THE HCP said:
I hear ya brother. I’m finding out with you guys today that my family, who has sat down and watched our first preseason games in our living room for the first time ever, only can do that 2 more times, then back to how it used to be. VERY frustrating for us. But, maybe because I kinda’ understand the business side of it, I know who to aim my anger towards. Took my own advice and just emailed ROOT.
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Not worth it. Did that with Comcast 10 years ago. Screw them. I'll just opt out.
 
THE HCP said:
I hear ya brother. I’m finding out with you guys today that my family, who has sat down and watched our first preseason games in our living room for the first time ever, only can do that 2 more times, then back to how it used to be. VERY frustrating for us. But, maybe because I kinda’ understand the business side of it, I know who to aim my anger towards. Took my own advice and just emailed ROOT.
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I get what you're saying. Since I also kinda underand the business side of it as well; to imply the Blazers were totally blind-sided by this and had no way of mitigating this from happening is a naive stance.
 
Tince said:
Nobody knew in June that Root Sports would operate like a greedy business? Had you asked me in June, I could've told you that. You don't think McGowen is smart enough to realize that? He knew, he just did the calculus that it was worth it.

Let me be on record moving forward: All future providers the Blazers deal with are likely to be greedy and if the Blazers #1 goal is to maximize distribution (it isn't), then they should negociate the contract accordingly.

Again, I get the Blazers logic. I don't love it, I'm not sure it's the smartest move long term, but I get it.
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You guys keep saying big picture, long term…..what do you think is going to happen honestly? EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN EVERY SINGLE MAJOR LEAGUE SPORT (besides the NFL, because they have no regional, local broadcasts) take the best offer they get. Most money they are offered. EVERY SINGLE TEAM!
 
Phatguysrule said:
Not worth it. Did that with Comcast 10 years ago. Screw them. I'll just opt out.
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As you should. that’s just it, everybody has that right. Enough people do it, maybe a message gets heard. I’ll bring up Denver again….. people IN Denver haven’t seen their NBA or NHL team play on tv in YEARS!
 
THE HCP said:
You guys keep saying big picture, long term…..what do you think is going to happen honestly? EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN EVERY SINGLE MAJOR LEAGUE SPORT (besides the NFL, because they have no regional, local broadcasts) take the best offer they get. Most money they are offered. EVERY SINGLE TEAM!
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Perfect. Have at it. Then a bunch of people will pirate it. No need to feel bad about it.

No need to feel bad about helping people figure out how to pirate it either...
 
Tince said:
I get what you're saying. Since I also kinda underand the business side of it as well; to imply the Blazers were totally blind-sided by this and had no way of mitigating this from happening is a naive stance.
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Wonder if ROOT told them they had a plan….Comcast did on the last one.
 
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