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[tlongII]

Ah don't be harsh Mags! The man has faith! He believes life spontaneously happens where ever. That takes faith when you have zero evidence to support the proposed postulate.

It is much more logical than the opposite. I'm surprised you don't realize this.

 

[magnifier661]

Who said educated life?

Say what?! That Galaxy is billions of years older than us. It's much bigger than ours as well. Surely it should have evolved or even more evolved beings randomly like us no?

 

[tlongII]

Say what?! That Galaxy is billions of years older than us. It's much bigger than ours as well. Surely it should have evolved or even more evolved beings randomly like us no?

But who said educated life?

 

[magnifier661]

But who said educated life?

Come on man, you are smarter than this. Don't you believe in evolution? If a planet with any life evolving 2,000,000,000 years earlier than our planet, then obviously the evolution would make intelligent life. So any comment that says, life is improbable outside our solar system, means "intelligent life". Think with your head, not with your dick

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Come on man, you are smarter than this. Don't you believe in evolution? If a planet with any life evolving 2,000,000,000 years earlier than our planet, then obviously the evolution would make intelligent life. So any comment that says, life is improbable outside our solar system, means "intelligent life". Think with your head, not with your dick

Evolution does not equal intelligence. On this planet under these conditions yes but that is a very small sample size. Evolution on other planets could mean there is only one life, one massive life form, a giant planet covering mold. Could mean a better predator, a tyrannosaurus rex from hell. Not smart enough to talk or write but king of his world.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Evolution does not equal intelligence. On this planet under these conditions yes but that is a very small sample size. Evolution on other planets could mean there is only one life, one massive life form, a giant planet covering mold. Could mean a better predator, a tyrannosaurus rex from hell. Not smart enough to talk or write but king of his world.

Let's get back to talking about Uranus.

 

[Denny Crane]

Evolution does not equal intelligence. On this planet under these conditions yes but that is a very small sample size. Evolution on other planets could mean there is only one life, one massive life form, a giant planet covering mold. Could mean a better predator, a tyrannosaurus rex from hell. Not smart enough to talk or write but king of his world.

Out of billions of species that have existed here, only one has been intelligent enough to plan for tomorrow.

A lot of places life might take hold can be so harsh an environment that evolution barely happens at all.

Though I think most mammal exhibit significant intelligence.

 

[Denny Crane]

Let's get back to talking about Uranus.

PM HCP.

 

[MarAzul]

It is much more logical than the opposite. I'm surprised you don't realize this.

Well to me, expecting life somewhere is illogical. We haven't found any, and they haven't found us. It would be illogical to think all other life, if it exists, isn't at least as intelligent as us.
And if it is, you have to believe it would have found a way to make a profit on us by now, don't you think?

 

[magnifier661]

Evolution does not equal intelligence. On this planet under these conditions yes but that is a very small sample size. Evolution on other planets could mean there is only one life, one massive life form, a giant planet covering mold. Could mean a better predator, a tyrannosaurus rex from hell. Not smart enough to talk or write but king of his world.

So you are saying that a planet that had a single cell microbe, a few billion years older to start evolution, may only be a single cell organism planet?!?! You are saying there would be no evolution on that planet???

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So you are saying that a planet that had a single cell microbe, a few billion years older to start evolution, may only be a single cell organism planet?!?! You are saying there would be no evolution on that planet???

I'm saying that there isn't enough information since we only know of one planet with life.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm saying that there isn't enough information since we only know of one planet with life.

Which warrants my response to tlong that many scientists don't believe there is evolved life outside our solarsytem

 

[Denny Crane]

So you are saying that a planet that had a single cell microbe, a few billion years older to start evolution, may only be a single cell organism planet?!?! You are saying there would be no evolution on that planet???

Does it occur to you that in a really harsh environment, few mutations could survive? Maybe not a single microbe planet, but multiple single cell or not very complex species.

 

[magnifier661]

Does it occur to you that in a really harsh environment, few mutations could survive? Maybe not a single microbe planet, but multiple single cell or not very complex species.

Absolutely... It also occurred to me that there are planets that could have evolved more advanced than our world as well.

Anyone that buys into the randomness creating our world would be pretty ignorant for other worlds not to be as advanced or even more advanced than we are.

We are only a quarter the life of the entire universe

 

[MarAzul]

It is much more logical than the opposite. I'm surprised you don't realize this.

I'm saying that there isn't enough information since we only know of one planet with life.

Yes, this is true. When you add that we do not know of any life from another planet that has found us. Actually, that is quite a lot to know.

We have been making noisy detectable by other planets for more than a 100 years and we have been trying to detect life on other planets by listening for their noise
for over 50 years. Nothing!

There are places where life could be but it makes no noise.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/28/super_earths_hundreds_close_by/
http://gizmodo.com/all-the-habitable-planets-within-60-light-years-of-eart-1474749532

Beyond this range, I don't know if we make much noise. But then beyond this range who among us will care?

So we have a great deal of information.

 

[Denny Crane]

Absolutely... It also occurred to me that there are planets that could have evolved more advanced than our world as well.

Anyone that buys into the randomness creating our world would be pretty ignorant for other worlds not to be as advanced or even more advanced than we are.

We are only a quarter the life of the entire universe

Nobody knows for sure. The proper scientific view is one of skepticism. Something doesn't exist unless there's observable proof that it does. Many thing else is theory with a small t, or fairy tales.

 

[magnifier661]

Nobody knows for sure. The proper scientific view is one of skepticism. Something doesn't exist unless there's observable proof that it does. Many thing else is theory with a small t, or fairy tales.

Then my response to Tlong is correct then. If he laughs that creationist think that we are the only evolved life in this universe. Then he should equally laugh at the skepticism of scientists that are also skeptic of evolved life as well?

 

[Denny Crane]

Then my response to Tlong is correct then. If he laughs that creationist think that we are the only evolved life in this universe. Then he should equally laugh at the skepticism of scientists that are also skeptic of evolved life as well?

The only "evolved" life that we know of is here on Earth. That we know of. The observations of the size and nature of the universe suggest that the possibility of life elsewhere is there. Unlike the possibility of unicorns.

To think some mythical being created life only on earth is ridiculous and absurd. So TLong is right.

From what we have observed, out of Billions of species on earth, the odds any become intelligent are 1:billions.

 

[magnifier661]

The only "evolved" life that we know of is here on Earth. That we know of. The observations of the size and nature of the universe suggest that the possibility of life elsewhere is there. Unlike the possibility of unicorns.

To think some mythical being created life only on earth is ridiculous and absurd. So TLong is right.

From what we have observed, out of Billions of species on earth, the odds any become intelligent are 1:billions.

So I repeat... Laughing that we are the only life, you know because it's the only thing observed and shit, would be equally laughing at scientists that share the same belief.

Dodge the question all you want, but you already answered the question. It's funny how you later try to defend the opinion when a scientist shares the same belief! Lol

 

[Denny Crane]

TLong is right.

Three words.

Direct answer to your question.

No dodge.

 

[magnifier661]

The only "evolved" life that we know of is here on Earth. That we know of. The observations of the size and nature of the universe suggest that the possibility of life elsewhere is there. Unlike the possibility of unicorns.

To think some mythical being created life only on earth is ridiculous and absurd. So TLong is right.

From what we have observed, out of Billions of species on earth, the odds any become intelligent are 1:billions.

That's not what tlong said. He said "Creationists think we are the only life in this universe". He didn't refer to any mythical being creating life, just a statement that Earth is the only life in the universe is laughable.

Your responses earlier indicate that you can only count on what has been observed, so technically science only believes that our planet is the only known life in this universe. And if there was any life observed anywhere in this universe, there is a 1:billion chance that life evolved to where we are now. So logically speaking, any planet in this vast universe that was created billions of years before ours, could evolve equally or even more advanced than we are.

 

[magnifier661]

TLong is right.

Three words.

Direct answer to your question.

No dodge.

WRONG... Tlong didn't make a statement about a mythical being being the reason for our planet to only have life in the universe. He made a statement that only creationists believe our planet is the only known life in the universe. Actually, that's a pretty logical view using your arguments in this thread.

 

[Denny Crane]

Your logic is... Just weird.

Nobody is saying there is life elsewhere but those who believe in ET and UFOs and the like.

They are saying they are led to believe life is everywhere from some considerable amount of observable supporting information.

When science finds actual life elsewhere, it will be a really big deal. It may not happen, though. For all the searching to date, not a single living or fossils microbe has been found. The observable data suggests it's worth looking more.

As to what life can evolve to elsewhere, nature suggests it is possible. Evolution works the same everywhere, so life will evolve to better and better life forms. Intelligence is not the end goal of Evolution... Survival is. Dinosaurs managed to dominate the planet for hundreds of millions of years and only a very random asteroid impact reset it all. Those dinosaurs had no intelligence in the sense we have.

 

[MarAzul]

Actually, that's a pretty logical view

It is the only logical view.

This is the only planet with life we know to exist.
It is the only place where life was established and evolved that we know of and we also
know that other life has not found us.

Pretty damned illogical to think other life would not find us for a profit if possible.

You have the hard evidence Mag, the opposition is speculating with faith as their only support.

 

[Denny Crane]

WRONG... Tlong didn't make a statement about a mythical being being the reason for our planet to only have life in the universe. He made a statement that only creationists believe our planet is the only known life in the universe. Actually, that's a pretty logical view using your arguments in this thread.

TLong is right. Those who take the bible as literal must believe God created earth and put us here. There's no mention of his objective for us to spread across the universe, nor does it say he created life anywhere else.

TLong is right.

Three words. No dodge.

1. TLong
2. Is
3. Right

 

[magnifier661]

Your logic is... Just weird.

Nobody is saying there is life elsewhere but those who believe in ET and UFOs and the like.

They are saying they are led to believe life is everywhere from some considerable amount of observable supporting information.

When science finds actual life elsewhere, it will be a really big deal. It may not happen, though. For all the searching to date, not a single living or fossils microbe has been found. The observable data suggests it's worth looking more.

As to what life can evolve to elsewhere, nature suggests it is possible. Evolution works the same everywhere, so life will evolve to better and better life forms. Intelligence is not the end goal of Evolution... Survival is. Dinosaurs managed to dominate the planet for hundreds of millions of years and only a very random asteroid impact reset it all. Those dinosaurs had no intelligence in the sense we have.

My logic? What the fuck are you talking about bro? I am just responding to tlong about his logic... So actually you are saying "tong's logic is weird".

His comment was laughing at creationist that believe our planet is the only known life in this universe. Many scientists also share this same belief. I questioned why he only singled out creationists, when his peers share that same belief.

He didn't say "Only creationists believe God made us and we are the only life in this universe". He said "Only creationists think we are the only life in this universe". Many scientists share this same belief because it is the only thing observed currently.

SCIENCE OF THE GAPS and shit...

 

[Denny Crane]

Well well. There's what you say he wrote, then you quote him saying something else.

 

[magnifier661]

TLong is right. Those who take the bible as literal must believe God created earth and put us here. There's no mention of his objective for us to spread across the universe, nor does it say he created life anywhere else.

TLong is right.

Three words. No dodge.

1. TLong
2. Is
3. Right

WRONG AGAIN... A creationists isn't only people who believe the bible. Way to generalize. We can include Hindus, Muslims, Ancient greeks, etc. But regardless, you keep bringing up something that wasn't even stated. tlong said "Creationists believe we are the only life in this universe is laughable". So when a scientist believes that we are the only life in this universe, then why wouldn't that be equally laughable, according to his parameters of being laughable?

 

[Denny Crane]

And Creationists think life only exists on Earth. LOL.

This is the un-mags-altered version of what TLong wrote.

 

[MarAzul]

As to what life can evolve to elsewhere, nature suggests it is possible

Very true Denny. And at the same time we can not find it any where else.
This seems to be very similar to men knowing how to do 9 of 10 steps in creating life but
no one can do the final step. Logical men find a clue in this paradox.