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jlprk said:
If only 1 of every 2 trillion Earth-like planets has life, then there are (50 sextillion / 2 trillion =) 25 billion Earth-like planets with life.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...n-the-milky-way-50-sextillion-in-the-universe

That doesn't include the non-Earth-like planets with life.

In other words, Republicans are in the minority.
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Jlpk look who you are dealing with. He says he's skeptical, then claims it's probable. He goes back and forth like a rocking chair, so take that for what it's worth.

Right now he is arguing schematics with you, because you exposed his claim that the probability is zero until something is observed, then says "we observe life on this planet, so it must be probable"

I think his head is spinning like a top right now trying to defend all the bullshit he tried to spew
 
Mags turns "improbable" into "probable."

Good grief.
 
Denny Crane said:
It's not certain there is life elsewhere at all. Your arithmetic skills lack the possibility of NO POSSIBILITY. Like there's gazillions of stars and planets but the odds of one having a statue of Al Gore carved in ice on it is zero. The odds of there being one on Earth is 1:1.

There is a giant leap to certainty by assuming there is some ascribed chance. You ascribe a "fewer than 1%" chance, which you cannot possibly know to be true or not. The chance could be 1:1x10^1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, which would make even life on Earth improbable and sheer luck that we made it at all.

I've seen lots of scientists who are certain and say so.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sci...xist-on-Earth-like-planet-scientists-say.html

Alien life certain to exist on Earth-like planet, scientists say
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You said "chances are zero". But as Dawkins said... A 747 can manifest by chance. Who knows if the statue of Al Gore could manifest. Meaning, regardless of being "highly improbable", there is still a probability. Not zero

Game over...
 
Denny, sometimes you lack a sense of proportion. Remember when you said that Congressional Republicans threatening to withhold $2 billion in foreign aid from Pakistan would most certainly force the nation of 182 million people to roll over and play puppy to America's warrish will? It didn't. I couldn't get you to have a sense of proportion then, either.
 
magnifier661 said:
You said "chances are zero". But as Dawkins said... A 747 can manifest by chance. Who knows if the statue of Al Gore could manifest. Meaning, regardless of being "highly improbable", there is still a probability. Not zero

Game over...
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Fool,

I said chance of another planet with an ice sculpture on it is zero. What a STRETCH and FAIL by you.

Not "chances of life elsewhere."

Keep digging.
 
jlprk said:
Denny, sometimes you lack a sense of proportion. Remember when you said that Congressional Republicans threatening to withhold $2 billion in foreign aid from Pakistan would most certainly force the nation of 182 million people to roll over and play puppy to America's warrish will? It didn't. I couldn't get you to have a sense of proportion then, either.
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A very tiny chance among quintillions of stellar objects suggests there should be life. The evidence doesn't suggest it's widespread. That's why I question your optimistic figures.

Where are the they? To quote Fermi.
 
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jlprk said:
Denny, sometimes you lack a sense of proportion. Remember when you said that Congressional Republicans threatening to withhold $2 billion in foreign aid from Pakistan would most certainly force the nation of 182 million people to roll over and play puppy to America's warrish will? It didn't. I couldn't get you to have a sense of proportion then, either.
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I thought you'd get a kick out of this.

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I have mad cow, what's your excuse?
 
Denny Crane said:
Where are the they? To quote Fermi.
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Where are Earth's microbes? Why don't they send us a signal?

Because we're not interested in communicating with the morons.

Same with ETs talking to mere humans. Or me posting very often.

ETs exist on a different level than us and stick their snouts up in the air in disgust when they see us through the telescopes in their elephantine trunks.
 
Testing the Apollo Moon Motorbike aboard the Vomit Comet...

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Denny Crane said:
The only "evolved" life that we know of is here on Earth. That we know of. The observations of the size and nature of the universe suggest that the possibility of life elsewhere is there. Unlike the possibility of unicorns.

To think some mythical being created life only on earth is ridiculous and absurd. So TLong is right.

From what we have observed, out of Billions of species on earth, the odds any become intelligent are 1:billions.
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Right, but the universe has an incalculable amount of stars and planets. So even 1:billions would point to a significant chance of there being other intelligent life.
 
Daweez04 said:
Right, but the universe has an incalculable amount of stars and planets. So even 1:billions would point to a significant chance of there being other intelligent life.
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Right? I mean the universe is so freaking big that light has not had time to reach us from its further points. Got to be something somewhere.
 
Daweez04 said:
Right, but the universe has an incalculable amount of stars and planets. So even 1:billions would point to a significant chance of there being other intelligent life.
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Not to quibble, but if there were an incalculable number of stars, the night sky would be like daylight.
 
Denny Crane said:
Not to quibble, but if there were an incalculable number of stars, the night sky would be like daylight.
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No it wouldn't because the further the distance a star is from our planet, the harder it shows up. That's why we can see Mars and venus, being just a fraction the size of a star. Or how the moon looks huge, but it's even smaller in comparison
 
scrutiny.

http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/review/dr-marc-space/dark-sky.html

Besides being very hard to imagine, the trouble with an infinite universe is that no matter where you look in the night sky, you should see a star. Stars should overlap each other in the sky like tree trunks in the middle of a very thick forest. But, if this were the case, the sky would be blazing with light. This problem greatly troubled astronomers and became known as "Olbers' Paradox." A paradox is a statement that seems to disagree with itself.

Astronomers now realize that the universe is not infinite. A finite universe—that is, a universe of limited size—even one with trillions and trillions of stars, just wouldn't have enough stars to light up all of space.
 
I believe there are intelligent life outside our solar system. I am Christian, but still believe this. Then again, if God decided that we will are the only one, then obviously he would have the power to control that as well.

But I think it's truly foolish for anyone that thinks life existed by chance, then decides only our planet in the entire universe has intelligent life. Only someone as block headed as Denny would argue against that.
 
Yet I didn't. You're as "right" about that as you were about why the sky is dark at night.

:lol:
 
jlprk said:
Where are Earth's microbes? Why don't they send us a signal?

Because we're not interested in communicating with the morons.

Same with ETs talking to mere humans. Or me posting very often.

ETs exist on a different level than us and stick their snouts up in the air in disgust when they see us through the telescopes in their elephantine trunks.
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Which Hollywood movie did you get this from? Or do the aliens speak to you directly?
 
Denny Crane said:
Yet I didn't. You're as "right" about that as you were about why the sky is dark at night.

:lol:
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You said you were skeptic. That's all I need to know. It should be a no brainer for an atheist.

Your argument for the night sky is just a theory. So it's can be scrutinized. Nice try though cuttie
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm a skeptic. It seems to me that if life were everywhere, we'd easily detect it. We don't.

There is a lot of evidence that suggests it should arise all over the place, yet we can't find it in our own solar system.

Focus on earth-like planets in the goldilocks zone may be incomplete. The earth has a lot of other features, like plate tectonics and a magnetosphere and a huge moon in comparison to the planet size.

There's a decent sized list of stars within just 21 light years here: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/nearstar.html. If there were any advanced life on planets within 21 light years, it seems we'd be able to watch their TV shows and hear their radio broadcasts.

I have no reason to believe anything but the origin of life is an improbable event. If you put less optimistic numbers into the Drake equation, you come up with number of civilizations less than one.
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There is what I wrote, and then there is the mags transformation of it into something else.
 
magnifier661 said:
You said you were skeptic. That's all I need to know. It should be a no brainer for an atheist.

Your argument for the night sky is just a theory. So it's can be scrutinized. Nice try though cuttie
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Too funny.

NASA or mags' denial?

:lol:
 
You've convinced me you know more than NASA experts about their area of expertise.
 
magnifier661 said:
Sweet now just admit you are a fool for even doubting intelligent life outside our solar system exists and we can move along
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You want me to say whatever words you want to attribute to me?

Right! :lol:

I don't doubt life exists outside our solar system. It just may be so rare that the nearest life to us might be so far away we can't easily detect it.
 
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