I don't see how we can rebuild around Dame (5 Viewers)

[Rastapopoulos]

These two propositions seem to be believed in tandem by the majority of Blazer fans:

• This roster can't contend so we have to make major changes
  
• You can't trade Dame

But you can't make major changes WITHOUT trading Dame. Whom do you trade? Everybody has been saying trade CJ for years, but even before the playoffs (remember? Everybody wanted to unload CJ after the Denver series?) and this disastrous season, about the best we could get for him would have been Tobias Harris. Now it's probably Kevin Love.

So, I get kind of depressed every time Dame insists (and now Cronin insists) that he's not going anywhere. I mean, I love the guy for it, but it's just sad watching him getting diminishing returns for his loyalty.

Chauncey wasn't the magic fix - if anything, he's worse than Stotts.
Cronin won't be the magic fix because we'd have to do the equivalent of finding a Giannis or a Jokic, in the low-ish lottery, and even then Dame will be 32 and with a nagging injury.

So: for God's sake talk him into being traded. We have to start again, and he needs to get a shot at at least a deep playoff run.

Anyone disagree? Anyone got a model for a rebuild around an ageing star that worked?

 

[julius]

Maybe have a better roster to begin with? Stotts wouldn't have been able to coach this team any better. They have no real PF, and no scoring from the PF spot, Dame has sucked for most of the season and they have no backup guards over 6'4".

It's like people think the makeup of the roster has been solid this year.

I don't think they rebuild as much as they need to fix the roster. But whether or not they can or will is up for debate.

 

[wizenheimer]

Rasta-vision must be a lot like Olshey-vision

 

[andalusian]

Even if you are correct - it is worth trying to fix it before going on a tear-down imho. Unless something is certainly broken with Dame - you give it a real try to reshape the roster to have speed, size next to him.

If I were boss, I would shut him for the year, tank, try to shop the expiring + CJ or Norm for better role players / if possible to go for a Simmons like star do it, and if nothing comes out of it and the picks do not pan out - you tear it down in a year or two.

 

[Cugel]

This is the final fuck you by Oshley. Blowing way too much money on CJ (not to mention Nards, Harkless, Turner, Crabbe none of whom even play anymore), overall poor draft picks when he had 'em in Dame's prime---Zach, Swanigan, Anfernee "the most gifted he's seen" (my fucking ass.), and not dealing CJ when it was apparent to all in the league that the "league's best backcourt" would never contend for a title.

Like you, barring a miracle, I fail to see any path to success other than a complete tear down of the team. Jettison everyone on the roster except maybe Nas, DSJ, and some of the other cheap young guys, Brown etc. Even though none of these guys will probably ever see the all star game. I do like Nance and Powell but surely so do other teams with picks/young talent.

Unload for picks and guys under 25 ideally under 23.

 

[Phatguysrule]

These two propositions seem to be believed in tandem by the majority of Blazer fans:

• This roster can't contend so we have to make major changes
  
• You can't trade Dame

But you can't make major changes WITHOUT trading Dame. Whom do you trade? Everybody has been saying trade CJ for years, but even before the playoffs (remember? Everybody wanted to unload CJ after the Denver series?) and this disastrous season, about the best we could get for him would have been Tobias Harris. Now it's probably Kevin Love.

So, I get kind of depressed every time Dame insists (and now Cronin insists) that he's not going anywhere. I mean, I love the guy for it, but it's just sad watching him getting diminishing returns for his loyalty.

Chauncey wasn't the magic fix - if anything, he's worse than Stotts.
Cronin won't be the magic fix because we'd have to do the equivalent of finding a Giannis or a Jokic, in the low-ish lottery, and even then Dame will be 32 and with a nagging injury.

So: for God's sake talk him into being traded. We have to start again, and he needs to get a shot at at least a deep playoff run.

Anyone disagree? Anyone got a model for a rebuild around an ageing star that worked?

Dame has already had a deep playoff run... We need to rest him for the remainder of the season. Surgery, whatever it takes. Just get him as healthy as possible

Balance the roster and figure out how to get him more help. Give it a go next season.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Dame has already had a deep playoff run... We need to rest him and get him as healthy as possible for the remainder of the season. Surgery, whatever it takes.

I agree with parts of your sentence, viz:
"We need to rest him .... for the remainder of the season."

Balance the roster and figure out how to get him more help. Give it a go next season.

You make it sound so simple.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Rasta-vision must be a lot like Olshey-vision

??Because Olshey was famous for wanting to trade Dame??

 

[Phatguysrule]

I agree with parts of your sentence, viz:
"We need to rest him .... for the remainder of the season."


You make it sound so simple.

It's not simple. But he wants to be here and we owe him a legit shot.

If we never give him a legit team that's a very good argument for the next good player we get to bolt at the first chance.

We have a responsibility to be the best we can be with Dame, IMO. Thus far we've failed.

 

[blazerkor]

Did you make another fucking thread? Good grief this is lame.

 

[HailBlazers]

Simple, time travel to 2013 and draft Giannis.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

But to be fair, he wasn't in charge when we had Walton.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

It's not simple. But he wants to be here and we owe him a legit shot.

...so we should trade him to a team that has a chance.

 

[wizenheimer]

But to be fair, he wasn't in charge when we had Walton.

if he had been the Blazers would still be looking for their first championship

 

[Phatguysrule]

...so we should trade him to a team that has a chance.

Sure, if we want to give every good player the go-ahead to ditch us as soon as possible.

Let's go ahead and set ourselves up to be the Lakers farm team then?

 

[tykendo]

You can rebuild around Dame. It's called trades. No one can say what our assets are worth till they're traded. Who the hell knows. Lets see what happens, what we receive in return. But TRADES MUST BE DONE.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Sure, if we want to give every good player the go-ahead to ditch us as soon as possible.

(a) that's silly
(b) presumably the precedent was already set when we traded Drexler

 

[Rastapopoulos]

You can rebuild around Dame. It's called trades. No one can say what our assets are worth till they're traded. Who the hell knows. Lets see what happens, what we receive in return.

Prepare to be disappointed!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Hard truths:

• We were never a contender during the entire Dame era (possible exception: the 2019 team that the Warriors swept with contemptuous ease)
• Dame has already had his best team as a Blazer
• Dame has already had his best season as a Blazer

 

[Phatguysrule]

(a) that's silly
(b) presumably the precedent was already set when we traded Drexler

How is it silly?
How did trading Drexler work out for us?

The idea that you think we're going to get anything close to Dame's value in return is silly. We're not. We can easily get just as much after next season if we try and fail. Especially if we get him healthy and he gets back to form, as I expect he will.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Hard truths:

• We were never a contender during the entire Dame era (possible exception: the 2019 team that the Warriors swept with contemptuous ease)
• Dame has already had his best team as a Blazer
• Dame has already had his best season as a Blazer

These are less truths and more guesses...

 

[Rastapopoulos]

How did trading Drexler work out for us?

Within 5 years we were 15 points up heading into the fourth quarter of game 7 of the WCF.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Anyone got a model for a rebuild around an ageing star that worked?

Still waiting

 

[Blazinaway]

It's not simple. But he wants to be here and we owe him a legit shot.

If we never give him a legit team that's a very good argument for the next good player we get to bolt at the first chance.

We have a responsibility to be the best we can be with Dame, IMO. Thus far we've failed.

And given the fukked up roster we now have (thanks Neil) we have IMO VERY little chance to put enough around Dame to give it a reasonable go. I am for trading him now while he still likely has significant enough value and trade him where he has a chance to win - cause it ain't goin to happen here.

 

[twobullz]

I wonder if the Blazers management looks at the half empty arena and thinks. Man we should trade our best player and biggest draw. They will help us out. Trading Dame would not only tank the season but would give a big hit to the value of the Blazers. They are not trading Dame and they shouldn't.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Within 5 years we were 15 points up heading into the fourth quarter of game 7 of the WCF.

Exactly. But we got burned in the Drexler trade. There was literally no reason to trade him, other than he wanted to leave. But by spending more money than had ever been spent on an NBA team we proved that great players could make a lot of money and find success here.

That's no longer an option. The rules have changed. We have no way to prove great payers can be successful here other than being successful with our great players.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Still waiting

You mean like Curry? Isn't he 4 years older than Dame?

*Correction* 2yrs difference

 

[Phatguysrule]

Still waiting

Boston built around Garnett when KG was 31... And won a title.

 

[illmatic99]

wonder who started this thread... oh wait.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/crazy-idea-that-nobody-will-like-chris-paul.349827/

 

[Phatguysrule]

Still waiting

Lakers rebuilt around Kobe when he was 32, traded Kwame Brown for Gasol and won a title...