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magnifier661 said:
Yep and they can't extend either; so no guarantee can be made that they may lose him anyway.

Like I said the real decision is "do we renounce and go after a 12 mil per guy, losing hickson with nothing in return or sign hickson and get an mle player?"
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That's pretty easy. If you operate under the assumption that Hickson gives up as much as he gives, it stands to reason that there's not much to be lost if you let him walk and give yourself a chance to get a player who can make a difference in free agency or unbalanced trade. Hickson plus a MLE signing are highly unlikely to propel this team where they'd like to go.

Go big or go home.
 
magnifier661 said:
Yes technically we can trade him with his consent; but why would hickson want to be traded to a team that would most likely need to send back quality and make their team weaker? And what would we get in exchange? I mean he would want to go to a winning organization so the first rounder is weak return. Most likely we would want a center in return and teams with capable. Enters want to keep them.

Fact is teams would just hold off and try getting him via free agency. Then they wouldn't have to give anything up for him.
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Teams trying to win this year could still potentially give up something, however. Sullinger and Boston's pick for Hickson makes them a better team, doesn't hurt them for the future. And they can still try to convince Hickson to sign for the MLE if he likes it there.
Also, while Hickson seems happy here, and could very well like it and want to stay, there's also the issue of him currently playing out of position. Maybe he prefers moving on to play PF somewhere.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/j-j-hickson-could-be-free-agent-commodity/

“It has its ups and downs, but I have been doing a good job of accepting my role on this team and just doing what’s required of a center,” said Hickson, adding that he’s asked to, “Rebound, defend, be a presence in the paint when I can and just make basketball plays when I’m open.”
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There was an article or comment about Stotts getting people to buy into their roles or something, and I imagine it was Hickson he had to
correct" on what his role is. Hickson has mentioned not wanting to be called a hustle guy, which is the way he is viewed here. If he were traded to potentially start elsewhere at PF, or have a role as one, I imagine he would ok it. ANd Boston is one of those options.
 
Nikolokolus said:
That's pretty easy. If you operate under the assumption that Hickson gives up as much as he gives, it stands to reason that there's not much to be lost if you let him walk and give yourself a chance to get a player who can make a difference in free agency or unbalanced trade. Hickson plus a MLE signing are highly unlikely to propel this team where they'd like to go.

Go big or go home.
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But that's not true. One can't assume that just because his opponent is scoring at the same level as he is that the team isn't benefiting. In fact, looking at his stats, he is out rebounding bigger centers he's up against by 3.
 
RR7 said:
Teams trying to win this year could still potentially give up something, however. Sullinger and Boston's pick for Hickson makes them a better team, doesn't hurt them for the future. And they can still try to convince Hickson to sign for the MLE if he likes it there.
Also, while Hickson seems happy here, and could very well like it and want to stay, there's also the issue of him currently playing out of position. Maybe he prefers moving on to play PF somewhere.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/j-j-hickson-could-be-free-agent-commodity/



There was an article or comment about Stotts getting people to buy into their roles or something, and I imagine it was Hickson he had to
correct" on what his role is. Hickson has mentioned not wanting to be called a hustle guy, which is the way he is viewed here. If he were traded to potentially start elsewhere at PF, or have a role as one, I imagine he would ok it. ANd Boston is one of those options.
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I see no team giving anything of value for Hickson without some sort of insurance that he will be signing long term with the team.
 
magnifier661 said:
I see no team giving anything of value for Hickson without some sort of insurance that he will be signing long term with the team.
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Teams trade for players all the time who are expiring contracts, and they have no guarantee they will re-sign with them.
 
magnifier661 said:
But that's not true. One can't assume that just because his opponent is scoring at the same level as he is that the team isn't benefiting. In fact, looking at his stats, he is out rebounding bigger centers he's up against by 3.
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That is pretty much meaningless. The team's rebound rate is better with him off the court. What does that tell you about his impact on the game and the importance of the rebounds he collects?

I get that you like his energy and his hustle (I like it too) but his contributions are nowhere close to being irreplaceable, in fact I think there's a pretty compelling case to be made that for this team they'd probably be better off if they could find a more traditional defensive oriented pivot to help shore up their interior defense and take some of the burden of paint defense off of Aldridge.
 
Nikolokolus said:
... in fact I think there's a pretty compelling case to be made that for this team they'd probably be better off if they could find a more traditional defensive oriented pivot to help shore up their interior defense and take some of the burden of paint defense off of Aldridge.
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Yes, that'd be nice to get a defensive C. But let's not pretend that "paint defense" is any sort of burden on LMA at the moment. If we want to get marginally better at defending the paint we should have LMA guarding the best post player and put Hickson on the less able big.
Also, I'm not so sure that the rebound rate improving with Hickson off the court means that Hickson's rebounds aren't important rebounds. This could easily just be another advanced stat that's making more noise than meaningful insight. It could be the result of the opposition's better rebounders sitting at the same time Hickson is sitting. I would love to see a "Contested Rebound" stat - that to me is a true measure of a player's ability to rebound. I wish I could get paid to gather the data for this...
 
I didnt even read the last page of this thread, but can anyone deny the Blazers record in the last 15 games? Production is production, and Hickson is the most productive player in the NBA based on his contract! That's the truth! U really wanna trade what we've been lookin for all these years? Then ur crazy...dont give me Drtg as an argument
 
This is Zach Randolph all over again...if u don't see it I don't know what to tell ya...we must keep JJ!
 
PHXBlazer1 said:
I didnt even read the last page of this thread, but can anyone deny the Blazers record in the last 15 games? Production is production, and Hickson is the most productive player in the NBA based on his contract! That's the truth! U really wanna trade what we've been lookin for all these years? Then ur crazy...dont give me Drtg as an argument
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TYPE THE WORD YOU! I HATE THE LAZY FLAGARANT IGNORANCE! It's TWO LETTERS and you look like a fucking moron when you do it.
 
RR7 said:
?? JJ hitting hookers?
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Ya totally..Is that what you remember about Zach? Do you remember that we basically traded him for Greg Oden? The hookers still got paid, so did Oden
 
here's a comprehensive list of centers in their 20s who are averaging at least 9 rebounds and 2 blocks per 36 this year.

Gortat, Ezeli, Koufos, McGee, Howard, Thabeet, Jordan, Hibbert.

Are any of these realistic or desirable trade targets? If not, then I would suggest that the idea of trading Hickson for a more "traditional" center should be shelved.
 
So everybody close your eyes and try to envision a JJ Hickson, LMA front-court for the next 3 years. How's that going to work out?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
here's a comprehensive list of centers in their 20s who are averaging at least 9 rebounds and 2 blocks per 36 this year.

Gortat, Ezeli, Koufos, McGee, Howard, Thabeet, Jordan, Hibbert.

Are any of these realistic or desirable trade targets? If not, then I would suggest that the idea of trading Hickson for a more "traditional" center should be shelved.
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The ones out of that list that I would deem realistic are Ezeli, Koufos, and Thabeet. That is not to say I would want those ones....
 
westnob said:
TYPE THE WORD YOU! I HATE THE LAZY FLAGARANT IGNORANCE! It's TWO LETTERS and you look like a fucking moron when you do it.
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U look like the psycho when u call someone out for it WITH ALL CAPS! settle down u nob from the west!
 
Nikolokolus said:
So everybody close your eyes and try to envision a JJ Hickson, LMA front-court for the next 3 years. How's that going to work out?
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Pretty damn good, IMO. Especially since we still have hopes Leanord will come into his own in 3 years.
 
magnifier661 said:
That is a terrible list! Hahaha
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Koufos would actually be a pretty decent option for us, and Hickson's value is probably a touch higher. If Denver has any inclination to do a Koufos for Hickson deal, that would be worth consideration.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Koufos would actually be a pretty decent option for us, and Hickson's value is probably a touch higher. If Denver has any inclination to do a Koufos for Hickson deal, that would be worth consideration.
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Well that is the one player I doubt Denver gives up. I mean he is a damn rookie and he's cheap for them. With his type of production, they won't want to give him up; especially since he is defensive minded and Denver already has all their offense they need.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Koufos would actually be a pretty decent option for us, and Hickson's value is probably a touch higher. If Denver has any inclination to do a Koufos for Hickson deal, that would be worth consideration.
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Koufos for Hickson? You're outta UR mutherfuckin mind! I'm sure UVE considered a bunch of fancy cap situations but JJ is by far the better player. It's not even close!
 
magnifier661 said:
Well that is the one player I doubt Denver gives up. I mean he is a damn rookie and he's cheap for them. With his type of production, they won't want to give him up; especially since he is defensive minded and Denver already has all their offense they need.
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I don't think he's a rook mags, didn't he play for Utah for a few years? He's startin to look better but there's no way in hell I trade him for Hickson, that would be horrrible
 
PHXBlazer1 said:
Koufos for Hickson? You're outta UR mutherfuckin mind! I'm sure UVE considered a bunch of fancy cap situations but JJ is by far the better player. It's not even close!
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Better player can be argued because the question remains on what type of player you get in return. Koufos is defensive minded and can still finish around the rim. He can't command doubles yet, but he can definitely rebound, defend and block shots. That's something I would definitely trade Hickson for.

But the reality is Denver would never give him up. He is young and one of the few bright futures of their team.
 
PHXBlazer1 said:
Rept!
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I'm a beavers fan, and a ducks fan when they aren't playing OSU or Wisconsin. I'm sorry I flipped out, I just really hate when people don't spell out words they know how to spell. If you someone is bad at spelling, no big deal.
 
PHXBlazer1 said:
I don't think he's a rook mags, didn't he play for Utah for a few years? He's startin to look better but there's no way in hell I trade him for Hickson, that would be horrrible
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My mistake and you're right. :P But he is still young and a damn good defender.

Regardless, I still want Hickson. I think his work ethic as a big is contagious. Our other players are starting to hustle even more.
 
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