I want to keep Hickson more than ever: Dynamic duo frontcourt!

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westnob said:
I'm a beavers fan, and a ducks fan when they aren't playing OSU or Wisconsin. I'm sorry I flipped out, I just really hate when people don't spell out words they know how to spell. If you someone is bad at spelling, no big deal.
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Sorry for the dig, but I always snicker when someone is grammer or spelling police and they explain screwing up grammer or spelling. This is why I don't correct. I am God awful at both.
 
Koufos is in his 5th Season. Drafted originally by Utah.

Because his contract is nearly same as Hickson ($3M vs $4M) and for only two more years after this, a deal would make sense for PDX. KK's contract would count only as $3M on the books (instead of JJ's $7.6M cap hold) and allow us cap room for signing up to $9M yr player. Be creative Portland!!!
 
magnifier661 said:
Sorry for the dig, but I always snicker when someone is grammer or spelling police and they explain screwing up grammer or spelling. This is why I don't correct. I am God awful at both.
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I just like how you misspelled grammar.
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
Koufos is in his 5th Season. Drafted originally by Utah.

Because his contract is nearly same as Hickson ($3M vs $4M) and for only two more years after this, a deal would make sense for PDX. KK's contract would count only as $3M on the books (instead of JJ's $7.6M cap hold) and allow us cap room for signing up to $9M yr player. Be creative Portland!!!
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Still need Hickson to agree before the deal is made. I just don't see him accepting it. Also, I think Denver would need some more talent in exchange; just in case Hickson decides to bolt.
 
magnifier661 said:
Sorry for the dig, but I always snicker when someone is grammar or spelling police and they explain screwing up grammar or spelling. This is why I don't correct. I am God awful at both.
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First sentence is a run-on. Please see Mrs Allison after class!

ps I accidentally a word.
 
westnob said:
First sentence is a run-on. Please see Mrs Allison after class!

ps I accidentally a word.
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"This is why I don't correct. I am God awful at both."

I guess both you and Nik skimmed through my post eh?
 
Interesting discussion. Here's my bottom line:

I don't want JJ to be our starting center next year.

I'm happy to re-sign him as our backup PF/C. The team rebounds better when he's not on the floor, but he's playing out of position, and he's playing predominately against starters. I think that will change, perhaps even dramatically, if he was our backup PF.

One poster thinks JJ is looking for a monster contract. I'm not sure if this is right. If I was JJ, I'd be looking for a LONG TERM contract, like 5 years guaranteed. I'd be interested in a 5 year, 35 mil contract - not interested at all in a 4 year, $40 mil contract.

Truthfully, I don't think JJ's problem is JJ, it's Leonard. Leonard is not starting material right now and may never be. While he is an athletic freak, Leonard is not really a basketball player. If Leonard were starting, the team would have a better rebounding rate with JJ on the floor than off.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Interesting discussion. Here's my bottom line:

I don't want JJ to be our starting center next year.

I'm happy to re-sign him as our backup PF/C. The team rebounds better when he's not on the floor, but he's playing out of position, and he's playing predominately against starters. I think that will change, perhaps even dramatically, if he was our backup PF.

One poster thinks JJ is looking for a monster contract. I'm not sure if this is right. If I was JJ, I'd be looking for a LONG TERM contract, like 5 years guaranteed. I'd be interested in a 5 year, 35 mil contract - not interested at all in a 4 year, $40 mil contract.

Truthfully, I don't think JJ's problem is JJ, it's Leonard. Leonard is not starting material right now and may never be. While he is an athletic freak, Leonard is not really a basketball player. If Leonard were starting, the team would have a better rebounding rate with JJ on the floor than off.
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If JJ wants a 5 year deal then he has to get it from us. Can't from any other team. Thing is I don't think he gets it from us either (edit because I don't think we can even offer it. Can only offer 5 years to 1 player and they have to be multiple All-Star or league MVP). 4 years sure.

From Wikipedia (but only for Rookies coming off deals): Under the 2011 CBA, maximum salaries, as expressed as a percentage of the cap, remained mostly unchanged. However, a player coming off his rookie scale contract is eligible to sign for 30% of the cap if he was voted to start in two All-Star Games, was named to an All-NBA Team twice, or was named MVP. This was dubbed the "Derrick Rose Rule" after the 2011 MVP.[10] In addition, newly signed contracts now have a maximum duration of five years for players with Bird rights and four years for all other players (including sign-and-trade acquisitions).[5] Every team is allowed one "designated player" who receives a five-year maximum extension on his rookie scale contract.[11]

For non-rookie deals, it is 4 years according to me reading but need to find a good link.
 
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There's too much money and not enough talent in free agency this coming year. That alone guarantees JJ is going to get paid ... a lot!
 
Nikolokolus said:
There's too much money and not enough talent in free agency this coming year. That alone guarantees JJ is going to get paid ... a lot!
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Agree. I don't think teams are looking at him as a star who will average a double double or change a team around. But he is a hustle guy who is young, can rebound and is still developing each year . . . he will be overpaid.
 
Nikolokolus said:
There's too much money and not enough talent in free agency this coming year. That alone guarantees JJ is going to get paid ... a lot!
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He wouldn't be the first couple choices though. Milsap would likely get more (not to say he won't be overpaid too).
 
I think this summer's FA signings will be interesting. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see teams start showing restraint. The Rudy Gay Trade could have some influence on future contracts - if MEM can't trade Gay for anything solid then I think teams will be scared of creating contracts that nobody wants to trade for. In the past that was never a concern because SO MANY teams had bad contracts that they could just shuffle them around and use them to make lop-sided trades. But if we start to see that teams aren't getting any value in return for "good players with bad contracts" then that could makes GMs more conservative in what they offer.

And whoever said something to the effect of Hickson/LMA being our starting front-court for the foreseeable future - I'm with you, that's a recipe for perhaps a good regular season record but not much else. I still think that we have to be open to the idea of trading LMA as he would be the player that would bring the most back. If you can get a legit C and a 6th man that could give us some depth which we badly need. The risk is that if Hickson signs elsewhere then we're looking for a PF. Luckily there are a LOT of PFs in the league - we could take another swing at Millsap if Hickson leaves.
 
buncha weird stuff going on in this thread

people saying trade hickson--he isnt going to waive his no trade, complete waste of breath even typing such a thing

and unless there are some super secret stats someone invented yesterday hickson is a net neutral player at worst...an average starting center, and a few years from his prime...is this such a bad thing?

the "we must have all stars at every position!" crowd is entertaining, but misguided
 
KeepOnRollin said:
He wouldn't be the first couple choices though. Milsap would likely get more (not to say he won't be overpaid too).
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dho
bynum
al jefferson
pekovic
okafor
kaman
dalembert
splitter
josh smith
david west
paul milsap
blatche

the big market has alot of options, but if the chicken littles predict someone blowing away jj hickson with a huge offer, let them decipher that with their junior nostradamus decoder ring
 
blue9 said:
I think this summer's FA signings will be interesting. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see teams start showing restraint. The Rudy Gay Trade could have some influence on future contracts - if MEM can't trade Gay for anything solid then I think teams will be scared of creating contracts that nobody wants to trade for. In the past that was never a concern because SO MANY teams had bad contracts that they could just shuffle them around and use them to make lop-sided trades. But if we start to see that teams aren't getting any value in return for "good players with bad contracts" then that could makes GMs more conservative in what they offer.
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That would be nice if teams would start paying players what they're worth and nothing more. You "may" be on to something with the pendulum swinging back that way.
 
Pau Gasol will be traded for Josh Smith in a package deal by trade deadline.
 
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