If CJ were to be traded, who are we most likely to get?

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wizenheimer said:
it is only reasonable if CJ isn't the all-star level SG so many have said he is
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Huh? I don't get this... I certainly don't think he is an all-star level player, but I also don't want to trade CJ traded with picks for Harrison Barnes... and it's quite possible that these are the only types of moves available.
 
Graduate32 said:
Huh? I don't get this... I certainly don't think he is an all-star level player, but I also don't want to trade CJ traded with picks for Harrison Barnes... and it's quite possible that these are the only types of moves available.
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He's an all star level player in a league where there are too many all star level guards for all of them to make the cut.

He'd have a better chance being an allstar in the East
 
B-Roy said:
You understand the reason I (and many others here) are laughing about this, is that this is literally what he's been saying (and doing) for about 6 years straight right? Even if it's a correct statement, you have to think about the decisions that led us here, who made those decisions, and whether you think his current decisions (or nondecisions) will lead us down the exact same path a year from now (it will).
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I'm in agreement that Neil should have moved off CJ long before this summer, and I certainly wish that the GM was someone other than Olshey, but my original post is regarding about the fact that we can't change the past, and what's available right now appears to be really, really bleak.

I'll hold Neil responsible for getting us to this point, but I genuinely believe that there isn't much out there for CJ+... which is why I lean towards blowing it up now.
 
Graduate32 said:
Huh? I don't get this... I certainly don't think he is an all-star level player, but I also don't want to trade CJ traded with picks for Harrison Barnes... and it's quite possible that these are the only types of moves available.
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lol...ok. It's now CJ plus picks for Barnes. That's the example instead of CJ + picks for Simmons or Siakam, or CJ plus anything for Grant. We don't even konw if Olshey has offered anything like CJ and picks for any player. I'd bet he hasn't

I know you have already said you think Olshey is responsible for the dead end Portland appears to be in. I agree; I'm just not willing, at all, to give him the out of "there are no good options"...fuck that mercy for that jackass. And as far as desperation, Dame considering asking for a trade sure should have the red flags flashing all over the Blazer front office
 
wizenheimer said:
lol...ok. It's now CJ plus picks for Barnes. That's the example instead of CJ + picks for Simmons or Siakam, or CJ plus anything for Grant. We don't even konw if Olshey has offered anything like CJ and picks for any player. I'd bet he hasn't

I know you have already said you think Olshey is responsible for the dead end Portland appears to be in. I agree; I'm just not willing, at all, to give him the out of "there are no good options"...fuck that mercy for that jackass. And as far as desperation, Dame considering asking for a trade sure should have the red flags flashing all over the Blazer front office
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I look at teams like Miami, Houston and Dallas. Every move every off-season is made with careful thinking and planning about the future. There's contingency plans on contingency plans, and usually they are ready to pivot when plans go south. They are also always trying to operate creative deals to get players even through unconventional means.

Olshey looks at the roster and signs a few guys using the exceptions he has. Then maybe trades 1:1 or fills out his bench with some vets. That is literally doing the bare minimum. So yeah, no shit we are stuck in a corner. When you do the bare minimum you get the bare minimum.
 
B-Roy said:
I look at teams like Miami, Houston and Dallas. Every move every off-season is made with careful thinking and planning about the future. There's contingency plans on contingency plans, and usually they are ready to pivot when plans go south. They are also always trying to operate creative deals to get players even through unconventional means.

Olshey looks at the roster and signs a few guys using the exceptions he has. Then maybe trades 1:1 or fills out his bench with some vets. That is literally doing the bare minimum. So yeah, no shit we are stuck in a corner. When you do the bare minimum you get the bare minimum.
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Neil is the dude who listens to his own music and says "that shit is dope!"
 
wizenheimer said:
lol...ok. It's now CJ plus picks for Barnes. That's the example instead of CJ + picks for Simmons or Siakam, or CJ plus anything for Grant. We don't even konw if Olshey has offered anything like CJ and picks for any player. I'd bet he hasn't

I know you have already said you think Olshey is responsible for the dead end Portland appears to be in. I agree; I'm just not willing, at all, to give him the out of "there are no good options"...fuck that mercy for that jackass. And as far as desperation, Dame considering asking for a trade sure should have the red flags flashing all over the Blazer front office
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From everything I've read, Siakam, Simmons, and Grant appear to be off the table... though I will admit to not wanting to do CJ+picks for Grant (you could talk me into one pick perhaps). Perhaps, we are arguing semantics here, if I am Jody, I eat the dead money and I've fired Olshey yesterday. That said, I'd fire him for getting us here, not for anything that doesn't happen this summer.

Unless, as B-Roy notes above, that a contending, active free agency team wants to pivot to CJ AND wants to give up a valuable win-now piece in the process (or negotiate through a third team), I'm just not seeing it out there. I'd love to be wrong though.
 
Chris Craig said:
He's an all star level player in a league where there are too many all star level guards for all of them to make the cut.

He'd have a better chance being an allstar in the East
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Joel Embiid
Ben Simmons
Kevin Durant
Kyrie Irving
James Harden
Giannis
Khris Middleton
Jrue Holiday
Julius Randle
Trae Young
Jimmy Butler
Bam Adebayo
Jaysun Tatum
Jalen Brown
Bradley Beal
Domanta Sabonis
Malcolm Brogdon
Zach LaVine
Nicola Vucevic'
Pascal Siakam
Colin Sexton
Jerami Grant

all he'd have to do is beat out 10 of those guys for the all-star nod
 
wizenheimer said:
Joel Embiid
Ben Simmons
Kevin Durant
Kyrie Irving
James Harden
Giannis
Khris Middleton
Jrue Holiday
Julius Randle
Trae Young
Jimmy Butler
Bam Adebayo
Jaysun Tatum
Jalen Brown
Bradley Beal
Domanta Sabonis
Malcolm Brogdon
Zach LaVine
Nicola Vucevic'
Pascal Siakam
Colin Sexton
Jerami Grant

all he'd have to do is beat out 10 of those guys for the all-star nod
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Trae Young was not even an All star this year. CJ is nowhere near his level.
 
Simmons isn't Harden. That's highway robbery

I doubt Neil goes for that to get Simmons. He wouldn't even do it to get Harden.
 
Chris Craig said:
Simmons isn't Harden. That's highway robbery

I doubt Neil goes for that to get Simmons. He wouldn't even do it to get Harden.
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Lol, it doesn't make him right for not doing it. It just makes him stupid.
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't think it's ridiculous...as long as there are some protections on any picks/swaps after the next 3 drafts.
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Just in case we go to shit and have to blow it up?
 
GDiama said:
Ιf we include Raptors maybe they can give the 3 picks and we give just one. So we take Siakam instead of Simmons.
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I think it would have to be 2 and 2
 
CJ +

2022 1st
2023 swap
2024 1st
2025 swap (lottery protected)

If the Blazers have Dame, Simmons, Powell, and Nurkic over the next 3 seasons, those picks will be pretty low in the order
 
B-Roy said:
Lol, it doesn't make him right for not doing it. It just makes him stupid.
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I didn't say he was right. He should have done it. No balls though
 
Worst case, if we blow our future to try to make Dame happy, we could just move the team to Seattle and start over with an expansion :devilwink:
 
wizenheimer said:
CJ +

2022 1st
2023 swap
2024 1st
2025 swap (lottery protected)

If the Blazers have Dame, Simmons, Powell, and Nurkic over the next 3 seasons, those picks will be pretty low in the order
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Probably lower than Phillies
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't think it's ridiculous...as long as there are some protections on any picks/swaps after the next 3 drafts.
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When you start trading multiple firsts, the protections start to get difficult. In most scenarios you will end up doing no protections on the picks themselves.

ie. If I trade you a 2022 top 4 protected pick, what happens if I get a top 4 pick? Well, it just moves to the next tradable pick right? If I traded you my 2023 pick as a swap though, it can't be that. If I traded you my 2024 pick, well woops, I owe you that pick already. So what happens to it? Usually it turns into two seconds or something like that. Well then the value of that pick is not as high because I could always tank next year and keep my pick and just send you two later seconds.

Protecting the swaps is probably okay. In this scenario, if you wanted to trade 4 picks with protections, it would probably go something like this:

2022 1st Unprotected
2023 Swap (You can protect this however you want, since 2022 is unprotected)
2024 1st Unprotected
2025 Swap (You can protect this however you want, since 2024 is unprotected)

Like I said, it's tricky. If you protect 2024, you have to get Philly to agree to move that pick to 2026 if they don't get it. That may be a harder sell.
 
Graduate32 said:
Yeah, I'd do it, begrudgingly... I still have trouble believing that such a deal would be available to our franchise until everyone receives more clarity on the Dame situation. From everything I've read and heard, a CJ-Simmons framework (even with picks included) is currently off the table.
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Yeah, cause Neil doesn't want to do anything besides a CJ 1:1 swap.

Philly offered Simmons to the Spurs for 4 picks + 3 swaps and a player worse than CJ. So I think CJ + 2 picks 2 swaps is more than enough for them to accept.
 
B-Roy said:
Yeah, cause Neil doesn't want to do anything besides a CJ 1:1 swap.

Philly offered Simmons to the Spurs for 4 picks + 3 swaps and a player worse than CJ. So I think CJ + 2 picks 2 swaps is more than enough for them to accept.
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Value-wise, certainly! I was trying to make more of the point that if there is a chance Morey can get Dame, he won't want to potentially assuage the tense star situation in Portland (though frankly, I have no idea if such a move would do it for Dame).
 
B-Roy said:
When you start trading multiple firsts, the protections start to get difficult. In most scenarios you will end up doing no protections on the picks themselves.

ie. If I trade you a 2022 top 4 protected pick, what happens if I get a top 4 pick? Well, it just moves to the next tradable pick right? If I traded you my 2023 pick as a swap though, it can't be that. If I traded you my 2024 pick, well woops, I owe you that pick already. So what happens to it? Usually it turns into two seconds or something like that. Well then the value of that pick is not as high because I could always tank next year and keep my pick and just send you two later seconds.

Protecting the swaps is probably okay. In this scenario, if you wanted to trade 4 picks with protections, it would probably go something like this:

2022 1st Unprotected
2023 Swap (You can protect this however you want, since 2022 is unprotected)
2024 1st Unprotected
2025 Swap (You can protect this however you want, since 2024 is unprotected)

Like I said, it's tricky. If you protect 2024, you have to get Philly to agree to move that pick to 2026 if they don't get it. That may be a harder sell.
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It's not that tricky, they fact is both Dame and Simmons are under contract through 2024... if Dame picked up his option it would be 2025. The gamble is will Ben Simmons get better or at least play at the best level he has so far. If he plays at least at his past best then we'll be able to put players around Dame and Simmons that make us relevant.
 
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