If CJ were to be traded, who are we most likely to get?

[wizenheimer]

I think you guys are setting yourselves up for disappointment with these names. CJs value is at an all time low. There’s a good chance he doesn’t get moved at all because there’s nothing out there.

I really wonder how much CJ's value was impacted by the playoffs this year. Maybe a little

but I don't believe CJ is a mystery to the rest of the NBA. They know who he is as a player since he's been the same player for 6 years. Same strengths, same weaknesses, same one-way qualities, good and bad. I don't think the rest of the NBA values him nearly as highly as he's valued in various places in Blazer nation

opposing coaches certainly don't seem to worry about him. He always draws the weaker defenders and single coverage. I've never seen a team flex their defense toward CJ like defenses are flexed toward Dame. I'd guess NBA front offices would take cues from their coaching staffs

There’s also an argument to be made that the team is just better without him period, at least with Terry as the coach. Maybe under a new coach that holds him accountable this may he different. Maybe he even comes off the bench next year….

a 33M/year player as a 6th man? Would be pretty unprecedented...?

it's going to be a conundrum because I'm about 83% convinced no new coach would consider Powell as the full-time starter at SF. Of course, it may be the new coach won't have that option

 

[wizenheimer]

Cleveland has two up and coming small guards who get paid a lot less than CJ; why trade one of them for CJ?

from what I've read it sounds like Sexton's teammates are really fed up with his selfishness. He's a mini-MeJ on crank

 

[speeds]

McCollum, Collins, DJJ and a pick for Pascal Siakam and Chris Boucher

Toronto traded a package involving their 1A/1B player in DeRozan for Leonard. I think that's the kind of deal they would be willing to make involving Siakam but not for a borderline all-star like McCollum. McCollum is the kind of player you add to a team in the last year of his contract, not gut a team to get.

I don't know what Toronto's plans are going forward but given the moves they've most recently made, I can see them letting Lowry go and pursuing younger pieces for Siakam. If that's the case, obviously they won't want CJ but I really think the Knicks do and if we sent everything we got from the Knicks, future draft considerations of our own and DJ (if Toronto is into him). Then I don't see why we couldn't land Siakam and Baynes.

Dame, re-signed Norm, RoCo, Siakam, Nurk, Ant, Nas, Zach, Baynes and an Elfrid Payton signed with the tax payers MLE

Pascal is 27 but only started playing basketball when he was 18. In terms of his development and wear-and-tear on his body, he's more like a second-year NBA player. OG Anunoby and GTJ are also both in their early 20s. The only guy in the core that's in his prime is FVV at 27. This is not a team in search of youth.

 

[mook]

I really wonder how much CJ's value was impacted by the playoffs this year. Maybe a little

but I don't believe CJ is a mystery to the rest of the NBA. They know who he is as a player since he's been the same player for 6 years. Same strengths, same weaknesses, same one-way qualities, good and bad. I don't think the rest of the NBA values him nearly as highly as he's valued in various places in Blazer nation

opposing coaches certainly don't seem to worry about him. He always draws the weaker defenders and single coverage. I've never seen a team flex their defense toward CJ like defenses are flexed toward Dame. I'd guess NBA front offices would take cues from their coaching staffs

a 33M/year player as a 6th man? Would be pretty unprecedented...?

it's going to be a conundrum because I'm about 83% convinced no new coach would consider Powell as the full-time starter at SF. Of course, it may be the new coach won't have that option

CJ is essentially Jamal Crawford peaking in an era that's better optimized for Jamal Crawford-type skills.

Crawford has played on 9 different teams now. It's kind of crazy that CJ is still on his first team at this point.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Toronto traded a package involving their 1A/1B player in DeRozan for Leonard. I think that's the kind of deal they would be willing to make involving Siakam but not for a borderline all-star like McCollum. McCollum is the kind of player you add to a team in the last year of his contract, not gut a team to get.

Pascal is 27 but only started playing basketball when he was 18. In terms of his development and wear-and-tear on his body, he's more like a second-year NBA player. OG Anunoby and GTJ are also both in their early 20s. The only guy in the core that's in his prime is FVV at 27. This is not a team in search of youth.

It's pretty hard to read what they are doing in Toronto. Have you seen anything from management that would clear it up?

 

[Natebishop3]

CJ is essentially Jamal Crawford peaking in an era that's better optimized for Jamal Crawford-type skills.

Crawford has played on 9 different teams now. It's kind of crazy that CJ is still on his first team at this point.

Because the league recognized that Crawford was a bench guy. A spark off the bench. Our team has been stubborn as hell in admitting that CJ shouldn't be a starting two guard.

 

[speeds]

It's pretty hard to read what they are doing in Toronto. Have you seen anything from management that would clear it up?

You're correct it's very unclear right now. There are two major uncontrollable factors--Masai Ujiri's status and the draft lottery.

Ujiri leaving for other pursuits would put GM Bobby Webster in charge of the team. I think he generally has the same vision and approach as Ujiri but whether there are differences of opinion on the roster makeup is unknowable. The team core is still pretty young so blowing it up makes little sense unless they looked at the roster they created and said 'this isn't ever going to work' which is hard to say with rings on their fingers already.

Lowry sign-and-trades seem more likely than him staying for more than one year. There would be several teams wanting him (Heat, Sixers, and Lakers still most likely). You normally get fuck all back in a S&T but this would impact the roster makeup if you got a young player at guard who needs minutes (Herro, Maxey, THT, etc.)

GTJ re-signing is uncertain. I've seen valuations of him in the 4/$90MM range which is painful for someone who hasn't shown a great deal of consistency. Toronto really needs a second scorer next to Siakam (hey wonder why...oh right you took Powell) so the odds of overpaying him to stay seem to be good. Winning a top pick in the lottery may or may not affect his chances of re-signing. Cunningham needs to play right away. I am less certain about the other top guards in the draft. We have room for forwards and bigs.

 

[B-Roy]

GTJ re-signing is uncertain. I've seen valuations of him in the 4/$90MM range which is painful for someone who hasn't shown a great deal of consistency. Toronto really needs a second scorer next to Siakam (hey wonder why...oh right you took Powell) so the odds of overpaying him to stay seem to be good. Winning a top pick in the lottery may or may not affect his chances of re-signing. Cunningham needs to play right away. I am less certain about the other top guards in the draft. We have room for forwards and bigs.

That is ridiculous and a massive overpay. Who is giving him that bag?

 

[Scalma]

Idk if it’s been posted here, too lazy to browse, but Jabari Young, who covers San Antonio, said the spurs like CJ. He also mentioned Miami and the Clippers (for George)

I still think a Ben Simmons/CJ trade makes the most sense, for both teams.

 

[speeds]

That is ridiculous and a massive overpay. Who is giving him that bag?

I hope it's way higher than reality. Davis Bertans just signed 5/$80MM. Powell will likely get that kind of deal. GTJ is younger than both of them... I'd be comfortable with a Malik Beasley level deal (4/$60MM) but I've seen a lot of fans saying that's way too low. Is GTJ worth $5MM more per year than Beasley... or more?

 

[boredinsalem]

Since Cleveland has been mentioned in some CJ trade talk:
CJ and DJJ for Love and Sexton

I think part of Cleveland's issue is they're not sure if they can afford Sexton with Love on the books. I think we could trade CJ to NYK for picks that go to Cleveland, trade DJJ to Cleveland, and receive back Love and Larry Nance Jr. He'd fit like a glove in between Roco (switch ability) and Nurk.

Lillard/Powell/Covington/Nance/Nurkic
vet (Cory Joseph)?/Simons/Little/Love/Collins

I think that's a better 10 man unit than we had this last year. We'd need some guys for injury insurance (Ed Davis, Harkless), but it looks balanced and good defense.

 

[mook]

Idk if it’s been posted here, too lazy to browse, but Jabari Young, who covers San Antonio, said the spurs like CJ. He also mentioned Miami and the Clippers (for George)

I still think a Ben Simmons/CJ trade makes the most sense, for both teams.

You know, I keep thinking there's no way we get Simmons so cheap. And then I see shit like this:


He's standing next to the rim and it's a dead ball and he misses 4 layups in a row. How the fuck do you do everything else so well and have just zero ability to score?

He is the absolute, complete opposite of CJ in every basketball sense.

 

[Scalma]

You know, I keep thinking there's no way we get Simmons so cheap. And then I see shit like this:


He's standing next to the rim and it's a dead ball and he misses 4 layups in a row. How the fuck do you do everything else so well and have just zero ability to score?

He is the absolute, complete opposite of CJ in every basketball sense.

yeah if you look up his metrics he’s actually very comparable to CJ with regards to overall value. It wouldn’t be a lopsided trade at all.

Simmons is overrated by the media, but his strengths would help our weaknesses. Great defender and passer, good size. Can run the second unit and take pressure off Dame with the starters.

On the other hand, CJ would help philly. Gives them a go to scorer on the perimeter and helps space the court around Embiid.

I don’t think we can get Simmons for CJ straight up, but it’s a good starting point. No matter what Morey says, after being around Harden for so long, he’s probably yearning for another scorer as well, and he also has a history with Olshey.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Two important truths that must not be forgotten in the "Trade CJ!" discussion.
1. His value is at an all-time low right now
Before his injury, it was at an all-time high, but these playoffs...

2. If we're trading him to keep Lillard happy, it severely restricts our options
The best offers we're likely to get are going to involve packages of picks (a la Harden/Paul George). If we're going to insist that trading CJ makes us better RIGHT NOW, then (a) we're going to have to include a shitload of picks, thereby hamstringing our progress for years to come (especially as picks are much more valuable to small-market franchises than to places like LA that can always land free agents)
(b) we're going to rule out our best offers right off the bat.

So... if you really want to trade CJ, the best thing to do is TRADE LILLARD FIRST, and then HANG ON TO CJ FOR A (HALF-) SEASON so he can pump up his value as the primary scoring threat.

Sorry folks, this is cold hard facts.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Since Cleveland has been mentioned in some CJ trade talk:
CJ and DJJ for Love and Sexton

I'm interested, but cav fans would be unlikely to...

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The NYK is almost bare, but the one's left are very interesting.

 

[tykendo]

Tobias Harris in Philly is my pick. Great player, great dude. Has played his best ball with Embiid out. Salaries match.

 

[Hoopguru]

Two important truths that must not be forgotten in the "Trade CJ!" discussion.
1. His value is at an all-time low right now
Before his injury, it was at an all-time high, but these playoffs...

2. If we're trading him to keep Lillard happy, it severely restricts our options
The best offers we're likely to get are going to involve packages of picks (a la Harden/Paul George). If we're going to insist that trading CJ makes us better RIGHT NOW, then (a) we're going to have to include a shitload of picks, thereby hamstringing our progress for years to come (especially as picks are much more valuable to small-market franchises than to places like LA that can always land free agents)
(b) we're going to rule out our best offers right off the bat.

So... if you really want to trade CJ, the best thing to do is TRADE LILLARD FIRST, and then HANG ON TO CJ FOR A (HALF-) SEASON so he can pump up his value as the primary scoring threat.

Sorry folks, this is cold hard facts.

Depends on your objective, if its to start over and maximize assets, sure trade Dame and pump up CJ's value and maybe Nurk and Simons?
If its to appease Dame and keep the playoffs as the synergy to make money, keep fans in the stands and hope for a decent trade to better improve the balance of the team, continue with that process.
Dames is basically in part control with what they do going forward one way or the other.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

https://theathletic.com/2638547/202...xt-coach-hollingers-front-office-perspective/

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Two important truths that must not be forgotten in the "Trade CJ!" discussion.



So... if you really want to trade CJ, the best thing to do is TRADE LILLARD FIRST, and then HANG ON TO CJ FOR A (HALF-) SEASON so he can pump up his value as the primary scoring threat.

Sorry folks, this is cold hard facts.

Here is a guy who agrees with you, he also advises trading Lillard:
"Trading CJ McCollum would be putting a bandaid over a situation that needs stitches. The Blazers could go the route of acquiring draft capital in a trade for McCollum or they could go explore getting back NBA ready talent now. But in any scenario in where McCollum is sent packing, it’s not as though the Blazers would be getting a player back that is wildly better. That’s not exactly how trades work.

A game plan that consists of a McCollum trade could shake things up and maybe that’s all the Blazers need. That’s what they would be banking in on at least. In the last few years of the Terry Stotts era, the Blazers had really maxed out as much as they could and started to plateau. Trading McCollum for another solid NBA player wouldn’t be enough to put them over the top in the loaded Western Conference."https://clutchpoints.com/damian-lil...re-cj-mccollum-by-the-blazers-this-offseason/

 

[blazerkor]

So this trade gives us a mobile C who is phenomenal defensively that can hit the three and would be a great second option scorer off of pick and roll/pop situations.

It also gives us a versatile wing who can defend forwards at 6'6" and having a 6'10" wingspan. He can also initiate offense and get his own shot. The move also saves us 8M.

If we re-signed Norm we'd be looking at Dame, Norm, LeVert, RoCo, Turner, DJ, Ant, Nas, Zach and a MLE PG. In reality this lineup doesn't have a true second option scorer because Turner, LeVert and Norm can be considered 2a, 2b and 2c. They can all score in multiple ways and are great options.

For the Pacers the deal makes sense because Brogdon is the perfect guard to play in a back court with CJ. They still get defensive big man and one that can score on the inside. ESPN Trade Machine gives them +10 wins with this moves so the analytics are on their side.

 

[Cugel]

Not clear why Philly would want to unload a guy like Harris who is having a monster year. Makes no sense to me.

 

[Natebishop3]

Not clear why Philly would want to unload a guy like Harris who is having a monster year. Makes no sense to me.

They probably won't.

 

[blazerkor]

Not clear why Philly would want to unload a guy like Harris who is having a monster year. Makes no sense to me.

They probably won't.

Yeah the time to strike with Harris was the season before last when Philly was reportedly pursuing CJ, management has changed. The only team in the league that I know their current management was reported to want CJ was the Knicks. I'm sure he has value on other teams that don't let stuff like that leak but the Knicks are the only team reported to have interest.

 

[wizenheimer]

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So this trade gives us a mobile C who is phenomenal defensively that can hit the three and would be a great second option scorer off of pick and roll/pop situations.

It also gives us a versatile wing who can defend forwards at 6'6" and having a 6'10" wingspan. He can also initiate offense and get his own shot. The move also saves us 8M.

If we re-signed Norm we'd be looking at Dame, Norm, LeVert, RoCo, Turner, DJ, Ant, Nas, Zach and a MLE PG. In reality this lineup doesn't have a true second option scorer because Turner, LeVert and Norm can be considered 2a, 2b and 2c. They can all score in multiple ways and are great options.

For the Pacers the deal makes sense because Brogdon is the perfect guard to play in a back court with CJ. They still get defensive big man and one that can score on the inside. ESPN Trade Machine gives them +10 wins with this moves so the analytics are on their side.

I'd much rather have Brogdon than LeVert, but that's probably too much to ask. I would think CJ and LeVert would be better than CJ and Brogdon

 

[Hoopguru]

I could see Morey having interest in CJ and some for Simmons. He is an offensive guru GM that likes run and gun style and three's. Fits CJ's game perfectly. Prop need to throw in Little and/or picks.

 

[blazerkor]

I'd much rather have Brogdon than LeVert, but that's probably too much to ask. I would think CJ and LeVert would be better than CJ and Brogdon

Yeah, I just thought that Brogdon is more valuable to the Pacers but I'd take either guy. Brogdon is a really big guard so I think he could play the 3. Either way, I would do the trade.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yeah, I just thought that Brogdon is more valuable to the Pacers but I'd take either guy. Brogdon is a really big guard so I think he could play the 3. Either way, I would do the trade.

Only problem is the idea of a Nurk/Sabonis pairing probably doesn't really work.

 

[blazerkor]

Only problem is the idea of a Nurk/Sabonis pairing probably doesn't really work.

I said that earlier in the season when people were talking about getting Sabonis but then I watched a lot of Sabonis and he's quick and gets out on the perimeter better than I thought. So I don't know if they're incompatible. I think they might work well together.

 

[BBert]

Trading Dame would be suicide, and he'd probably drop 60 on us every time we faced him. Bad idea.