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Natebishop3 said:
Excuse me? He signed Aminu and Davis for bargain contracts, and both of those players were key components in our season. Aminu had a pretty damn good postseason. I thought his free agents from last year were exemplary, considering what he had to work with.
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There's a reason they are on bargain contracts - they were signed from the Bargain Bin. Also, it's possible to separate a player's contributions from a player's salary - it's not like the points they score are worth more because we're paying them less.

I like Davis a lot - he's a typical Portland hero. But he's just not that good. Aminu is worse - he gives the appearance of working hard, but usually you get one step forward, two steps back with him. He was surprisingly good in the GSW series, and had one good game in the LAC series. Not enough to overlook his lack of any discernible skill or his propensity for stupid mistakes. Neither player should be considered a long-term piece - cash in on those bargain contracts before they lose their value.
 
Cuban doled out a 70 mil contract for Wessy last year.

We got both Aminu and Davis combined for that amount.

Ya the Neil FA comment is off base.

Edit: Wes' contract is 70(!) mil, not 64. Wow
 
Mediocre Man said:
Please don't take this as combative, I like discussion and promise I won't bash you for having a different opinion, unlike others, but who, in your opinion, should he have gone after that he didn't?
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I honestly don't remember who past free agents were. But throughout his tenure I've felt like his drafting and trading have been far better than his signings - so my answer would probably be that he should focus on improving the team through trades, rather than free agency - there's more than one way to use cap space. Going back I remember:

Hibbert - I thought it was a bad idea to offer him a MAX contract, but I understood the move.
Hawes - I thought it was just a bad idea, period.
Kaman - I liked it, but he was the back-up plan to Hawes.
Dorell Wright - Bad player.
Mo Williams - Pretty decent signing.
Terry Stotts - I don't remember who the candidates were, but I'm pretty sure we passed on Joerger. I remember liking one or two candidates a lot more than Terry...but admittedly my opinions were based off of what I had read, and not what I had seen.
 
blue9 said:
There's a reason they are on bargain contracts - they were signed from the Bargain Bin. Also, it's possible to separate a player's contributions from a player's salary - it's not like the points they score are worth more because we're paying them less.

I like Davis a lot - he's a typical Portland hero. But he's just not that good. Aminu is worse - he gives the appearance of working hard, but usually you get one step forward, two steps back with him. He was surprisingly good in the GSW series, and had one good game in the LAC series. Not enough to overlook his lack of any discernible skill or his propensity for stupid mistakes. Neither player should be considered a long-term piece - cash in on those bargain contracts before they lose their value.
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The ability to acquire rotation caliber players on reasonable contracts is how good GM's build contenders. It's why we're able to have max money to throw at a key guy this summer. The points might not be worth more, but those contributions wouldn't even exist without them. Do you remember how bad our bench was? Luke Babbitt and Nolan Smith. Neil has been slowly building our bench and adding pieces. We had one of our best bench units in 15 years. That's all possible because he's picking up guys on bargain contracts.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Um by FAR his worst move was trading Will and a pick for 25 games of Afflalo.
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Well, yeah - not all his trades have been stellar! That was a bad one, but I believe it's the lone exception.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The ability to acquire rotation caliber players on reasonable contracts is how good GM's build contenders. It's why we're able to have max money to throw at a key guy this summer. The points might not be worth more, but those contributions wouldn't even exist without them. Do you remember how bad our bench was? Luke Babbitt and Nolan Smith. Neil has been slowly building our bench and adding pieces. We had one of our best bench units in 15 years. That's all possible because he's picking up guys on bargain contracts.
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Great - Davis and Aminu are still the two player I feel should be traded.
 
I think some team is going to end up with big buyer's regret signing Meyers. You can look at his stats and convince yourself that he's worth a lot of money in an expanded role....but that's the thing, you can't extrapolate out his numbers because he's so limited.

Horford might be the best FA out there outside James/Durant. We could have a 9 man rotation, splitting their minutes up pretty evenly, and allow us to play high energy basketball.

Lillard/Roberts
CJ/Crabbe
Harkless/Aminu
Horford/Davis
Plumlee
 
blue9 said:
Great - Davis and Aminu are still the two player I feel should be traded.
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What do you think we could give for them? They're both under reasonable contracts for 2 years and are very good off the bench.
 
yuyuza1 said:
You still have yet to point out a bad FA signing that happened.
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So? I didn't say they were BAD signings, I said I'm unimpressed with his targets. I also said that I LIKE Olshey, I just think his trades and draft picks have done more for us than his signings. I'm not going to go in circles like so many people here love to do. If you like his signings - great! I think they're okay, at best, and am glad he hasn't overpaid for anyone.
 
blue9 said:
I honestly don't remember who past free agents were. But throughout his tenure I've felt like his drafting and trading have been far better than his signings - so my answer would probably be that he should focus on improving the team through trades, rather than free agency - there's more than one way to use cap space. Going back I remember:

Hibbert - I thought it was a bad idea to offer him a MAX contract, but I understood the move.
Hawes - I thought it was just a bad idea, period.
Kaman - I liked it, but he was the back-up plan to Hawes.
Dorell Wright - Bad player.
Mo Williams - Pretty decent signing.
Terry Stotts - I don't remember who the candidates were, but I'm pretty sure we passed on Joerger. I remember liking one or two candidates a lot more than Terry...but admittedly my opinions were based off of what I had read, and not what I had seen.
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It has seemed a bit like he tries to sign guys that we were lucky not to sign, but the signings he has made have been pretty solid. Even some of the ones he has missed on like Kanter and Monroe
 
Natebishop3 said:
Will+TRob+pick.

We could use both of those guys right now.
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It was a bad trade in hindsight. No doubt.

Although as I recall most of this forum wanted us to make some sort of a trade to help our bench. And i don't think any of us thought Will or TRob would be back anyways. (since they were't playing much) We had to make a decision on either Will or Crabbe for the future, and IMO Crabbe was the right call even though you can make an argument for both.

But in the future we need to learn not to trade young assets (Including draft picks) for a half season rental. Unless we know for sure he will re-sign.
 
The biggest problem is that our biggest need isn't necessarily Center. Mason isn't the perfect Center by any means, but he holds his own most the time. The problem is we don't have anyone at the 4 or 5 that really is an offensive post threat that can finish in the paint. Ed Davis is probably best in that regard, but he doesn't muscle in, and has no shot beyond 3'. Mason gets blocked a lot and has no shot beyond 3'. Vonleh does pretty well at the rim .603 (lots of follow dunks) struggles from 3-10ft .283 (yips and adrenaline of a 20yo) but shoots pretty dang well from 10-16 at .467. Meyers has the ability to score from everywhere really. He shoots .527 from 2pt land his lowest rating being .500 from 10-16 and his best being .548 from 3-10 all the other ranges are in the .525 range, he just needs to react and shoot more. We really lack a power guy, I look at the effect Bogut has and while he doesn't play a ton, he definitely changes how people enter the paint and frees things up defensively for others and can score a bucket here or there.
 
blue9 said:
I honestly don't remember who past free agents were. But throughout his tenure I've felt like his drafting and trading have been far better than his signings - so my answer would probably be that he should focus on improving the team through trades, rather than free agency - there's more than one way to use cap space. Going back I remember:

Hibbert - I thought it was a bad idea to offer him a MAX contract, but I understood the move.
Hawes - I thought it was just a bad idea, period.
Kaman - I liked it, but he was the back-up plan to Hawes.
Dorell Wright - Bad player.
Mo Williams - Pretty decent signing.
Terry Stotts - I don't remember who the candidates were, but I'm pretty sure we passed on Joerger. I remember liking one or two candidates a lot more than Terry...but admittedly my opinions were based off of what I had read, and not what I had seen.
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Neil Olshey Draft Picks, Trades, and Free Agent Signings
http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/olshene99x.html
 
So is it the city that cant get big time free agents or is it NO?

I think we are unfairly judging NO. Just about everyone on this board has agreed that Portland doesn't attract big time players, but yet we are outing NO for his FA signings? Not impressed?


Oh lord some people are impossible to please.....
 
I really don't get the trade ed davis talk. the guy actually likes it here, and wants to be here, and is happy with his role here. That isn't easy to find. You gotta hold on to guys that want be here. if nothing else it shows free agents that people like it here and might make more of them interested in at least checking it out.
 
Schilly said:
The biggest problem is that our biggest need isn't necessarily Center. Mason isn't the perfect Center by any means, but he holds his own most the time. The problem is we don't have anyone at the 4 or 5 that really is an offensive post threat that can finish in the paint. Ed Davis is probably best in that regard, but he doesn't muscle in, and has no shot beyond 3'. Mason gets blocked a lot and has no shot beyond 3'. Vonleh does pretty well at the rim .603 (lots of follow dunks) struggles from 3-10ft .283 (yips and adrenaline of a 20yo) but shoots pretty dang well from 10-16 at .467. Meyers has the ability to score from everywhere really. He shoots .527 from 2pt land his lowest rating being .500 from 10-16 and his best being .548 from 3-10 all the other ranges are in the .525 range, he just needs to react and shoot more. We really lack a power guy, I look at the effect Bogut has and while he doesn't play a ton, he definitely changes how people enter the paint and frees things up defensively for others and can score a bucket here or there.
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I agree with most of this. Which is why I think Horford is the best option. He would fit next to any of of our current bigs.

On a side note, Plums may get a lot of his shots blocked, but he also finishes strong a lot of times too. (In traffic) I think his issue is knowing when not to throw it up soft. He has a decent hook....he needs to use it more when someone is on him.
 
That's a pretty solid track record. In most cases the vast majority of transactions long term are very lateral, what you look for is routine pattern of bombs. Neil's biggest bomb was actually a good move at the time considering the goal and circumstances, but in hind sight looks ugly.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I agree with most of this. Which is why I think Horford is the best option. He would fit next to any of of our current bigs.

On a side note, Plums may get a lot of his shots blocked, but he also finishes strong a lot of times too. (In traffic) I think his issue is knowing when not to throw it up soft. He has a decent hook....he needs to use it more when someone is on him.
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He keeps the ball too low too long and doesn't go up tall.
 
Orion Bailey said:
So is it the city that cant get big time free agents or is it NO?

I think we are unfairly judging NO. Just about everyone on this board has agreed that Portland doesn't attract big time players, but yet we are outing NO for his FA signings? Not impressed?


Oh lord some people are impossible to please.....
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Can't they be separate issues? Can't it be that the city of Portland doesn't attract big name FA's, but also that the GM is below par. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with that, just asking.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Um by FAR his worst move was trading Will and a pick for 25 games of Afflalo.
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The only reason that didn't work out is because Wes went down and Afflalo was thrust into a much, MUCH bigger role with zero time to prepare. Can't blame Afflalo for that, it took a long time to develop the chemistry in that lineup, and to expect him to step in and be Wes was unreasonable and unfair, both to him and to Wes.
 
It is interesting though, because on one Hand Portland historically struggles at landing big name FA's, and on the other hand Neil's GM history was with the Clippers who historically haven't ever wanted to spend money on FA's, and were a basement team, but he has been able to get FA's to listen to him and hear him out.
 
Schilly said:
He keeps the ball too low too long and doesn't go up tall.
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Sounds like with a little work over the summer, he can eliminate that problem. We need to keep him one more year at least, to see how much he improves. My guess is he will be better next year.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Can't they be separate issues? Can't it be that the city of Portland doesn't attract big name FA's, but also that the GM is below par. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with that, just asking.
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If that were the case then NO wouldn't be able to sign anyone. :)

Yes, they can be, but are they? I don't think so. I think everyone who is knocking on NO are forgetting that they are probably also the ones who said Portland cant get a big name here. So which is it. Portlands' shortcomings or the GM's? If Portland cant get a big name, then how is that the GM's fault?
 
selloutking said:
I really don't get the trade ed davis talk. the guy actually likes it here, and wants to be here, and is happy with his role here. That isn't easy to find. You gotta hold on to guys that want be here. if nothing else it shows free agents that people like it here and might make more of them interested in at least checking it out.
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Yeah, he's the perfect backup PF for us. I'm tired of trading great backup PFs because they're the coolest guys on our team *cough*should have kept Channing Frye and traded LaMarcus *cough*
 
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