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Orion Bailey said:
If that were the case then NO wouldn't be able to sign anyone. :)

Yes, they can be, but are they? I don't think so. I think everyone who is knocking on NO are forgetting that they are probably also the ones who said Portland cant get a big name here. So which is it. Portlands' shortcomings or the GM's? If Portland cant get a big name, then how is that the GM's fault?
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I don't think it's his fault. I do think he's been lucky Hibbert and others said no or were matched though
 
Mediocre Man said:
I don't think it's his fault. I do think he's been lucky Hibbert and others said no or were matched though
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I can get on board with that with one exception. I wonder if Hibberts downslide has more to do with environment than him?

I'm not sure he is all washed up as many think. Do I want him? No. But in the right environment he might have a few more good years left.
 
Neil's been after bigs for years; it's not hard to see why. Even a healthy Meyers would have netted us one more win against Golden State. An Enis Kanter or Greg Monroe would have taken it to seven or even won the series. We're close, but undersized. Hibbert is only a mistake in hindsight, but I don't think any of them would have been net negative for us this season.
 
dude doesn't even look like he jumps lol
which is prolly good for a body of that size in the long run of things
 
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Fonzthecpt1 said:
Biyombo - A solid consolation prize, but if this happens I may consider it an L just based off my expectations for FA.
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After that Game 7 against MIA, Biyombo is about to be seriously overpaid by someone. I hope it's not us. People will remember that he went for 17 and 16 in a Game 7 to help his team advance. What they won't also remember is that he did it against a MIA team with ZERO healthy big men. Their biggest starter was Luol Deng who spent most of his career as a SF, but has been forced to be a PF due to MIA's lack off big men. Biyombo did most of his damage against Josh McRoberts, a soft perimeter "big" man not know for his low post defense.

That 17 points was a season high for Biyombo. He's athletic, strong and has a good motor, but is also undersized and very unskilled. He doesn't have the range on his shot to play PF and doesn't have the size to match up against centers. He would make a decent back up center when playing against teams like GSW that like to go small, but he's not, and never will be, starter material, although he is about to get starter money thrown at him.

Other than shot blocking, he's inferior to both Ed Davis and Miles Plumlee. And if he's going to get a big contract based on one big playoff game against an undersized, depleted team, then Miles Plumlee should be a max contract player because he had an even bigger playoff game against a full-strength Clipper team that had a healthy Deandre Jordan, Blake Griffin and Cole Aldrich manning the paint.

If we could get him cheap, it would be worth it just so he could guard Draymond when we play the Warriors and they go small, but he won't be cheap. So, I'd scratch him off the list.

BNM
 
Orion Bailey said:
I can get on board with that with one exception. I wonder if Hibberts downslide has more to do with environment than him?

I'm not sure he is all washed up as many think. Do I want him? No. But in the right environment he might have a few more good years left.
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His numbers have consistently went down down each year since 2011-2012, I don't think so
 
selloutking said:
I really don't get the trade ed davis talk. the guy actually likes it here, and wants to be here, and is happy with his role here. That isn't easy to find. You gotta hold on to guys that want be here. if nothing else it shows free agents that people like it here and might make more of them interested in at least checking it out.
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I would trade Plumlee before I'd trade Ed. Ed is kind of smallish, but he says he's going to work on that, and I believe him.

:cheers:
 
Schilly said:
He keeps the ball too low too long and doesn't go up tall.
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And starts his jump from too far out. It's good to go up strong, but it would be nice if he would make a move or fake or spin or something first.
 
BBert said:
And starts his jump from too far out. It's good to go up strong, but it would be nice if he would make a move or fake or spin or something first.
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which are all things he has shown to be capable of, but until he gets a mid range shot aint no body gunna bite on that pump fake
 
If Horford doesn't resign with ATL, first, I hope he signs with us and not HOU. Second, if they lose Horford, I hope ATL decides to make Millsap available and not risk also losing him for nothing a year from now.

Like Horford, Millsap is a little older than our core, but he is a great 2-way player. He's always been a good rebounder, steadily improved his offensive game and has now taken his defense to another level. He came in 5th in DPOY voting, and quite frankly should have come in higher. He was the only player in the league to be top 10 in both BLKS (5th) and STLs (9th). He led the league in Defensive Win Shares, was 3rd in Defensive Box Plus/Minus and 4th in DRtg.

And he also averaged 17 ppg and 9 rpg. Because he's way above average on both ends, he's also a top 15 player in many advanced metrics like VORP (10th). Total Win Shares (13th) and Box Plus/Minus (10th). He's a 21+ PER player with a lot of post season experience that doesn't wilt in the playoffs. Add him to our roster and we'd immediately be much better on both ends of the court.

Horford would be nice, but if we can't get him and someone else does, I'd go hard at ATL for Millsap. He's the kind of proven, experienced, 2-way player we need to take this team to the next level.

BNM
 
Natebishop3 said:
In a perfect world, we sign a center and trade for a power forward. Signing a center, whether it's Horford or Whiteside or Howard, should free up Plumlee or Davis (depending on who you want to keep) for a trade.

I would look at potentially dealing Plumlee/Aminu and possibly Vonleh for a power forward.

Example:

Sign Whiteside
Trade Plumlee/Vonleh/Cleveland 1st for Millsap.
Re-sign Crabbe.
Re-sign Harkless
Re-sign Leonard.

Dame/???
CJ/Crabbe
Aminu/Harkless
Millsap/Davis
Whiteside/Leonard
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LAWD.... YAAAASSSSSSSSSSS!
 
the price of a rim protecting, scoring big man would allow us to keep Plumlee and Davis if we didn't match Meyers and let Kaman retire. Both Davis and Plumlee are on really affordable deals.
 
Top Assist/Turnover Ratio for Forwards or Centers (more than 1.0 apg):
1. Josh McRoberts, 2.71 a/t (1.9 apg)
2. Al Horford, 2.46 a/t (3.2 apg)
3. Draymond Green, 2.32 a/t (7.4 apg)
4. Al Jefferson, 2.14 a/t (1.5 apg)
5. Joakim Noah, 2.11 a/t (3.8 apg)
6. Blake Griffin, 2.04 a/t (4.9 apg)
7. Aaron Gordon, 2.00 a/t (1.6 apg)
8. David West, 2.00 a/t (1.8 apg)
9. Harrison Barnes, 2.00 a/t (1.8 apg)
10. Andrew Bogut, 1.92 a/t (2.3 apg)
90. Dwight Howard, 0.61 a/t (1.4 apg) (out of 90 qualifying Forwards and Centers)

Dwight Howard certainly has his strengths, but Al Horford is a better fit in my opinion.
 
But when you play with Kobe or Harden you just don't expect that pass to be coming most of the time....turnover..
 
dviss1 said:
Ouch!
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Schilly said:
It is interesting though, because on one Hand Portland historically struggles at landing big name FA's, and on the other hand Neil's GM history was with the Clippers who historically haven't ever wanted to spend money on FA's, and were a basement team, but he has been able to get FA's to listen to him and hear him out.
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The clippers owner had alot to do with not signing big FA.
 
42N8Bounce said:
Top Assist/Turnover Ratio for Forwards or Centers (more than 1.0 apg):
1. Josh McRoberts, 2.71 a/t (1.9 apg)
2. Al Horford, 2.46 a/t (3.2 apg)
3. Draymond Green, 2.32 a/t (7.4 apg)
4. Al Jefferson, 2.14 a/t (1.5 apg)
5. Joakim Noah, 2.11 a/t (3.8 apg)
6. Blake Griffin, 2.04 a/t (4.9 apg)
7. Aaron Gordon, 2.00 a/t (1.6 apg)
8. David West, 2.00 a/t (1.8 apg)
9. Harrison Barnes, 2.00 a/t (1.8 apg)
10. Andrew Bogut, 1.92 a/t (2.3 apg)
90. Dwight Howard, 0.61 a/t (1.4 apg) (out of 90 qualifying Forwards and Centers)

Dwight Howard certainly has his strengths, but Al Horford is a better fit in my opinion.
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Horford is cool but he's cool in the whiteside way, meaning not really realistic. I don't see either guy leaving their current teams. Howard is the most realistic option on the FA market. I think he ends up in either Portland or Charlotte.

I think Olshey will make a run at Dwight, and if that doesn't work out he'll circle back to Monroe or maybe give Larry Sanders a call.

Dwight is not without flaws, but he's such a massive upgrade Olshey would almost be irresponsible not attempting it. And like I said, I doubt it'll take a max contract. Acquiring a true difference maker without giving up assets is an opportunity that might not come around again.
 
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Scalma said:
So Monroe, Howard, or Horford? Does horford have a post up game or us he more of a face up guy? I still feel like Howard is the best combination of post scoring and defense.
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Horford is by far the best big out their.

Horford has the advantage over Howard in these categories:
3 Point Shooting
Mid Range Shooting
Free Throw Shooting
Passing
Dribbling
Perimeter Defense
Overall Defense (2.6 DBPM to Howards 1.8)

They're even in:
Rim Protection
Inside Finishing

Dwight has the advantage in...
Rebounding

I know which one I'd rather have, especially for Stott's Offense.
 
Scalma said:
Horford is cool but he's cool in the whiteside way, meaning not really realistic. I don't see either guy leaving their current teams. Howard is the most realistic option on the FA market. I think he ends up in either Portland or Charlotte.

I think Olshey will make a run at Dwight, and if that doesn't work out he'll circle back to Monroe or maybe give Larry Sanders a call.

Dwight is not without flaws, but he's such a massive upgrade Olshey would almost be irresponsible not attempting it. And like I said, I doubt it'll take a max contract. Acquiring a true difference maker without giving up assets is an opportunity that might not come around again.
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The Hawks just got absolutely dominated by the Cavs for the 2nd straight year and the East is getting better. I say there's a 60% chance for him to leave, with us being the favorite to sign him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
In a perfect world, we sign a center and trade for a power forward. Signing a center, whether it's Horford or Whiteside or Howard, should free up Plumlee or Davis (depending on who you want to keep) for a trade.

I would look at potentially dealing Plumlee/Aminu and possibly Vonleh for a power forward.

Example:

Sign Whiteside
Trade Plumlee/Vonleh/Cleveland 1st for Millsap.
Re-sign Crabbe.
Re-sign Harkless
Re-sign Leonard.

Dame/???
CJ/Crabbe
Aminu/Harkless
Millsap/Davis
Whiteside/Leonard
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Sorry to burst your bubble but if we keep Harkless, Leonards, and Crabbe's hold while signing Whiteside, we'd have about $4M in cap space. Millsap makes $20Mish. we'd only trade out $5M. We'd need to trade out an extra $9M.

If we traded out Davis instead of Plumlee and didn't resign on of Harkless/Leonard we could make that work.
 
I think an under the radar Olshey move to get bigger would be Mozgov. His value is super low right now, he is a HUGE dude and would give really good depth to the frontcourt.
 
Ideally, we trade Plumlee for a mid to late first round pick along with a future 1st or at least the rights to swap. We draft Taurean Prince, then sign Horford and bring everyone back except Roberts, Kaman, and Henderson. We sign Langston Galloway with the cap space exception

Lillard / Galloway
McCollum / Crabbe / Connaughton
Aminu / Prince / Montero
Harkless / Davis / Alexander
Horford / Leonard / Vonleh
 
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