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I remember when I came out as trans to Orion Bailey at a Blazers game he'd invited me to. He was really gracious, and the entire thing was extremely low-stress, especially since I was scared out of my wits being trans in public, let alone at a sports event. Near the end he mentioned that I didn't need to go any further with my transition. I'm sure it was meant as a sort of "you're fine as you are" comment, but I remember feeling a little sad that the support was all weighted in the "stay the way you are" side, and not on the "keep going" side.

So much of cis people's opinions of trans people center around cis comfort and cis convenience. Being trans is, in a lot of people's eyes (including my own in the decades before I came out to myself) intensely transgressive. It takes a lot of effort to wrap your brain around, and even more to accept that someone else can, and should, lead their life their way without your comfort in mind. So much of my early days post-transition were spent kind of raging against people who centered their comfort level in their arguments about me and people like me.

I've finally calmed down about that, thank god. It took seven years, but I finally feel like I'm confident enough in myself that I don't really get heated about that junk anymore.

It's really tough on newly out trans people, having to answer a bunch of questions and concerns from people who need you to comfort them in some way, to reassure them that they aren't the enemy to you, or to let them know you're one of the good ones so they can exist beside you without feeling scared of some repercussions for saying something ignorant. Newly out trans people usually have nobody supporting them no-questions-asked, and everybody questioning them. Naturally they get defensive, aggressive, and use bravado and anger to push through the crowd and find their people, the people who will actually support them without questioning them.

It takes years. It is not easy. Not all of us make it.

But a damn sight more of us make it after that process begins, than before when even entertaining the thought of coming out is somehow more difficult than just killing yourself instead, either slowly through nihilistic behavior, or all at once. A lot of us don't make it to the point where we come out, because the world is making it known that they don't want the path to be easy for us.

The solutions to a lot of the "issues" here come down to consent, confidence, and timing.

1. If your child tells you they're trans, believe them. It's fucking scary for you, and 10x scarier for them. What they need most is a no-questions-asked supporter. Gotta get that attempted suicide rate down.
2. Puberty blockers are safe, and have been used for decades on kids with precocious puberty syndrome. Trust me when I say you can induce puberty at any time, but it'll be most effective if you have a blank hormonal slate to work with. The best part here is: totally reversible, and is a step forward for the kiddo, so they probably won't feel like they're totally unsupported.
3. If you get them the puberty blockers early enough, the stress about surgery at 16 or whatever goes away because they don't grow the parts of them they'll end up wanting removed.

An interesting sidebar: Puberty blockers early enough would remove the inherent physical differences between boys and girls from a sport perspective. The trick here is making the environment safe enough for kids to come out when they know, not when they feel like coming out is the only thing to keep them alive.

In an ideal world, your kid would tell you when they figured it out. That's usually pretty early, like before 12 years. That gives supportive parents (remember this is an ideal world) the opportunity to get their kid on the medicine they need: puberty blockers, then the correct hormones, then any required surgeries in tandem with the hormone therapy. All this would be easy to access and affordable, because it's an ideal world. These actions are expressions of love and support to the child, and as they go through the correct puberty at roughly the correct time, their life will be in the long run minimally affected.

Being transgender is not a choice; it cannot be morally wrong.

It isn't a malady of the mind, it is an incongruity of the body.

The reason we're in this mess, the reason transness is associated with mental illness and suicide, and with weird, half-feral aggression is because the world isn't just "not ideal"; it is actively, openly, and proudly hostile. Trans people grow up with trauma: the trauma of having to hide, or being visible and targeted, of wondering if you are legal, wondering which one among the people you're around at the cafeteria will decide to become a legend and try to kill you, of wondering if anyone in that crowd of people will stop that person, of hearing your people loudly and actively mocked and called pathetic or crazy or ugly. Trauma does bad things to people, gives them paranoia, gives them ticks and bad coping mechanisms, gives them the feeling that, if everyone thinks they're a mistake doomed to die, then why not live up to that.

And the closer to home that trauma comes from, the more intense it is. The World hating you is one thing; your sibling or parent questioning something so fundamental about you? That's honestly ten times worse to hear.

I don't have a good ending to this rant; I just wish there were more compassion for my people, especially from people I otherwise respect and like. I left this forum as an angry baby-trans, and I come back as a trans elder; I'm glad I'm back, but I wish it wasn't because of this thread.

--BC

I found this to be an intriguing article. Do you basically agree with this assessment?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022...ling-where-the-gay-rights-movement-succeeded/
 
So long as you remember this: :)

Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. ~John 14:6
Yeah, we did that. Repeated it word for word, just like they told us.
 
I remember when I came out as trans to Orion Bailey at a Blazers game he'd invited me to. He was really gracious, and the entire thing was extremely low-stress, especially since I was scared out of my wits being trans in public, let alone at a sports event. Near the end he mentioned that I didn't need to go any further with my transition. I'm sure it was meant as a sort of "you're fine as you are" comment, but I remember feeling a little sad that the support was all weighted in the "stay the way you are" side, and not on the "keep going" side.

So much of cis people's opinions of trans people center around cis comfort and cis convenience. Being trans is, in a lot of people's eyes (including my own in the decades before I came out to myself) intensely transgressive. It takes a lot of effort to wrap your brain around, and even more to accept that someone else can, and should, lead their life their way without your comfort in mind. So much of my early days post-transition were spent kind of raging against people who centered their comfort level in their arguments about me and people like me.

I've finally calmed down about that, thank god. It took seven years, but I finally feel like I'm confident enough in myself that I don't really get heated about that junk anymore.

It's really tough on newly out trans people, having to answer a bunch of questions and concerns from people who need you to comfort them in some way, to reassure them that they aren't the enemy to you, or to let them know you're one of the good ones so they can exist beside you without feeling scared of some repercussions for saying something ignorant. Newly out trans people usually have nobody supporting them no-questions-asked, and everybody questioning them. Naturally they get defensive, aggressive, and use bravado and anger to push through the crowd and find their people, the people who will actually support them without questioning them.

It takes years. It is not easy. Not all of us make it.

But a damn sight more of us make it after that process begins, than before when even entertaining the thought of coming out is somehow more difficult than just killing yourself instead, either slowly through nihilistic behavior, or all at once. A lot of us don't make it to the point where we come out, because the world is making it known that they don't want the path to be easy for us.

The solutions to a lot of the "issues" here come down to consent, confidence, and timing.

1. If your child tells you they're trans, believe them. It's fucking scary for you, and 10x scarier for them. What they need most is a no-questions-asked supporter. Gotta get that attempted suicide rate down.
2. Puberty blockers are safe, and have been used for decades on kids with precocious puberty syndrome. Trust me when I say you can induce puberty at any time, but it'll be most effective if you have a blank hormonal slate to work with. The best part here is: totally reversible, and is a step forward for the kiddo, so they probably won't feel like they're totally unsupported.
3. If you get them the puberty blockers early enough, the stress about surgery at 16 or whatever goes away because they don't grow the parts of them they'll end up wanting removed.

An interesting sidebar: Puberty blockers early enough would remove the inherent physical differences between boys and girls from a sport perspective. The trick here is making the environment safe enough for kids to come out when they know, not when they feel like coming out is the only thing to keep them alive.

In an ideal world, your kid would tell you when they figured it out. That's usually pretty early, like before 12 years. That gives supportive parents (remember this is an ideal world) the opportunity to get their kid on the medicine they need: puberty blockers, then the correct hormones, then any required surgeries in tandem with the hormone therapy. All this would be easy to access and affordable, because it's an ideal world. These actions are expressions of love and support to the child, and as they go through the correct puberty at roughly the correct time, their life will be in the long run minimally affected.

Being transgender is not a choice; it cannot be morally wrong.

It isn't a malady of the mind, it is an incongruity of the body.

The reason we're in this mess, the reason transness is associated with mental illness and suicide, and with weird, half-feral aggression is because the world isn't just "not ideal"; it is actively, openly, and proudly hostile. Trans people grow up with trauma: the trauma of having to hide, or being visible and targeted, of wondering if you are legal, wondering which one among the people you're around at the cafeteria will decide to become a legend and try to kill you, of wondering if anyone in that crowd of people will stop that person, of hearing your people loudly and actively mocked and called pathetic or crazy or ugly. Trauma does bad things to people, gives them paranoia, gives them ticks and bad coping mechanisms, gives them the feeling that, if everyone thinks they're a mistake doomed to die, then why not live up to that.

And the closer to home that trauma comes from, the more intense it is. The World hating you is one thing; your sibling or parent questioning something so fundamental about you? That's honestly ten times worse to hear.

I don't have a good ending to this rant; I just wish there were more compassion for my people, especially from people I otherwise respect and like. I left this forum as an angry baby-trans, and I come back as a trans elder; I'm glad I'm back, but I wish it wasn't because of this thread.

--BC
YT, appreciate you sharing! You have a great way of expressing yourself.
I apologize my memory isnt what it used to be, but who is BC?
Enjoy and explore!
 
this is why im against deleting of any posts. You cant prove anything in this post because posts get deleted. So no record so now you can say nothing was saod when it may inded have been.
But then there is also the passive aggressive attack.
Yea ive seen it.
Abm posts something and someone else posts without quoting, but in context, how if someone thinks like that, they are racist or a woman hater, etc.

You cant say thst hasn't happened because ive sen it happen and have had it happen to me in similar situations.
When mods delete posts they then have no ground to stand on when they try to say someone did or did not say something. The foundation is flawed from the get go. You continue to support these types of posts by acting as though they don't happen.

The only one you are fooling is yourself. many of us see the bigger picture of whats going on and how some skate the personal insult rules and its supoorted.

“Anyone who thinks like that can just fuck off. “

“Anyone who voted for Trump is a racist supporter. “

we know each others party affiliation so the common one is to call out republicans because they cant call out ABM directly. But everyone knows the post is referring to ABM and not republicans.

Big games being played supported and encouraged by you.

Very uncool.

What post was deleted?

The one I screen-captured and posted in my replay to @ABM is still in this thread.

The last action (deleting, moving, editing, etc posts) by a moderator in this thread was on Feb. 23 when CC changed the thread title.
 
What post was deleted?

The one I screen-captured and posted in my replay to @ABM is still in this thread.

The last action (deleting, moving, editing, etc posts) by a moderator in this thread was on Feb. 23 when CC changed the thread title.

And I did a screen capture instead of quoting it since one of @ABM's accusations was that I liked a post that called him a racist. Quoting a post doesn't show who liked it.
 
What post was deleted?

The one I screen-captured and posted in my replay to @ABM is still in this thread.

The last action (deleting, moving, editing, etc posts) by a moderator in this thread was on Feb. 23 when CC changed the thread title.

Did i say it happened in this thread???

keep playing games… you know the truth.
 
Yeah, we did that. Repeated it word for word, just like they told us.

Very good.

If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
 
Always makes me laugh when people say the bible is true because the bible says so. I mean, what is it about religion that makes (some) people incapable of seeing the logical fallacy?
 
Yes, you reply to my reply to ABM about a specific post in this thread I'm going to assume you're talking about that same post and this thread.

which shows me you didn't read my post. I provided examples of behavior and never stated it was in this thread and yeah…

Games are getting old…
 
this is why im against deleting of any posts. You cant prove anything in this post because posts get deleted. So no record so now you can say nothing was saod when it may inded have been.
But then there is also the passive aggressive attack.
Yea ive seen it.
Abm posts something and someone else posts without quoting, but in context, how if someone thinks like that, they are racist or a woman hater, etc.

You cant say thst hasn't happened because ive sen it happen and have had it happen to me in similar situations.
When mods delete posts they then have no ground to stand on when they try to say someone did or did not say something. The foundation is flawed from the get go. You continue to support these types of posts by acting as though they don't happen.

The only one you are fooling is yourself. many of us see the bigger picture of whats going on and how some skate the personal insult rules and its supoorted.

“Anyone who thinks like that can just fuck off. “

“Anyone who voted for Trump is a racist supporter. “

we know each others party affiliation so the common one is to call out republicans because they cant call out ABM directly. But everyone knows the post is referring to ABM and not republicans.

Big games being played supported and encouraged by you.

Very uncool.

Yes, you reply to my reply to ABM about a specific post in this thread I'm going to assume you're talking about that same post and this thread.

read it again. Several times its implied these things happen in the forum. Not in this thread….
Everyone knows im referring to history in the forum but you. Why you play these games is beyond me…

you are better than this….
 
On a side note, I purchased this new kindling splitter. Man, works like a champ!!

SPLITTER.jpg
 
which shows me you didn't read my post. I provided examples of behavior and never stated it was in this thread and yeah…

Games are getting old…

The first line in your post this morning was this:

this is why im against deleting of any posts. You cant prove anything in this post because posts get deleted. So no record so now you can say nothing was saod when it may inded have been.

That's the first thing you say. You are clearly talking about my reply to ABM in this thread. "You can't prove anything in THIS post." "...you can say nothing was said when it may have indeed have been."
 
The first line in your post this morning was this:



That's the first thing you say. You are clearly talking about my reply to ABM in this thread. "You can't prove anything in THIS post." "...you can say nothing was said when it may have indeed have been."

yes. Your post doesn't prove anything, When posts are deleted. ABM wasn't referring to this thread. Pretty obvious he was referring to his time here in general.

your spin is just ridiculous man.

smfh…
You aRe bettter than this….
 
yes. Your post doesn't prove anything, When posts are deleted. ABM wasn't referring to this thread. Pretty obvious he was referring to his time here in general.

your spin is just ridiculous man.

smfh…
You aRe bettter than this….

That's BS dude. He was referring to the post I was talking about. You can read the entire exchange.
 
You said Rick Scott's program was so great you wanted to post it twice. How many times have you praised DeSantis? You can't sing praises of transphobic haters and then say you don't mean it.

There are other examples of me being called a hater and/or racist. Various threads. But in this case I'm a hater by association? And what do you know about Ron DeSantis personal feelings? Have you ever met the man? Moreover, in the case of HB 1557, it was not even generated by him. Besides, there's not a politician in this world whom I support everything he or she, or they espouses. I'm pretty sure we all could make that same claim.
 
If you unabashedly vote for and support laws that take away rights from others, it's comical to me to then play the victim and cry about getting labeled a hater. What about my feelings as an old white male? You make your bed, you lay in it. If you don't like the labels that come with the support of taking away people's rights, then change up your support or thicken your skin.
 
If you unabashedly vote for and support laws that take away rights from others, it's comical to me to then play the victim and cry about getting labeled a hater. What about my feelings as an old white male? You make your bed, you lay in it. If you don't like the labels that come with the support of taking away people's rights, then change up your support or thicken your skin.

I said recently that I supported HB 1557. There's nothing in that makes me nor Ron DeSantis a hater. Period.
 
I have never voted for a specific law restricting an individuals rights. I have voted republican for my consertaive reasons regarding government spending is all.
In no way os that deserving of being called a hater.
The things people use to hate by association is absolutely ridiculous.
Whatever it takes to justify personal attacks...
 
I said recently that I supported HB 1557. There's nothing in that makes me nor Ron DeSantis a hater. Period.
You already stated you'll unabashedly support laws that reflect god's standards, while discussing not supporting same sex marriage.
I'll again refer back to my original post...
"I don't hate you, I just feel that you should have less rights than I do because of a book I read. And I will unabashedly vote for and support those laws that look to limit your freedoms and also potentially punish you for who god made you."
 
I said recently that I supported HB 1557. There's nothing in that makes me nor Ron DeSantis a hater. Period.

you arent going to change the few people on here who think their shit don't stink and put hate on anyone who disagrees with them on anything.
Some people are so narrow minded that any opposing opinion means you are a hater. Lesser than. Evil. Part of the problem…

when its their polarization and inability to have a constructive conversation about opposing opinions that is really the problem.
 
you arent going to change the few people on here who think their shit don't stink and put hate on anyone who disagrees with them on anything.
Some people are so narrow minded that any opposing opinion means you are a hater. Lesser than. Evil. Part of the problem…

when its their polarization and inability to have a constructive conversation about opposing opinions that is really the problem.
You do realize these sorts of posts are passive aggressive right? When you decry passive aggressiveness, you do realize how hypocritical that is, when you do it every day with posts like this and others. I hope that isn't lost on you, but I imagine it is.
 
You already stated you'll unabashedly support laws that reflect god's standards, while discussing not supporting same sex marriage.
I'll again refer back to my original post...
"I don't hate you, I just feel that you should have less rights than I do because of a book I read. And I will unabashedly vote for and support those laws that look to limit your freedoms and also potentially punish you for who god made you."

OK?
 
you arent going to change the few people on here who think their shit don't stink and put hate on anyone who disagrees with them on anything.
Some people are so narrow minded that any opposing opinion means you are a hater. Lesser than. Evil. Part of the problem…

when its their polarization and inability to have a constructive conversation about opposing opinions that is really the problem.

I hear ya. BTW, as mentioned, I really did love the post from your friend, YamTastic. Much looking forward to great conversations.
 
You do realize these sorts of posts are passive aggressive right? When you decry passive aggressiveness, you do realize how hypocritical that is, when you do it every day with posts like this and others. I hope that isn't lost on you, but I imagine it is.

more blah blah blah from my own little stalker.
How cute.

stalker thinks me speaking to someone else directly is passive aggressive. Lol.
You need to have a point for it to be lost on anything. You have no point. Just your want to exacerbate drama and then blame others for it. Good job!!!!
 
Very good.

If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
Yes, it appears that is one way to do it. But Romans 10:9 doesn't say that's necessary. It just says doing so will put you on the saved list.

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
 
Yes, it appears that is one way to do it. But Romans 10:9 doesn't say that's necessary. It just says doing so will put you on the saved list.

It can be a slippery slope if you're not careful.

You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way.14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it. ~Matthew 7:13-14
 
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