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My issue with the bathrooms would specifically be for my wife's sake, thankyouverymuch. Sly's creepiness notwithstanding.

We have family bathrooms as it is.
 
ABM said:
My issue with the bathrooms would specifically be for my wife's sake, thankyouverymuch. Sly's creepiness notwithstanding.

We have family bathrooms as it is.
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1. I don't think a transgender woman is going to want to bang your wife, thankyouverymuch. What if the person has had sexual reassignment surgery. Still in fear for your wife?
2. How do you enforce such a law? What would be the punishment? There are already laws in every state that addresses sexual assault. You going to make every woman entering a public bathroom flash their privates? Just the ones you think might be transgender?
3. Should there be any special laws protecting a transgendered person who goes into the bathroom that you demand them to? What's the real threat here, a transgender person going into a woman's bathroom or a transgender person going into a men's bathroom? I would say there are going to be a lot more hateful things happening to a transgender female in a men's bathroom.

Multiple studies indicate that over 50% of transgender people have experienced sexual violence at some point in their lives. This rate is nearly double (1 in 3 girls) or triple (1 in 6 boys) the commonly reported rates of sexual abuse.

https://forge-forward.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/FAQ-10-2012-rates-of-violence.pdf
 
SlyPokerDog said:
1. I don't think a transgender woman is going to want to bang your wife, thankyouverymuch. What if the person has had sexual reassignment surgery. Still in fear for your wife?
2. How do you enforce such a law? What would be the punishment? There are already laws in every state that addresses sexual assault. You going to make every woman entering a public bathroom flash their privates? Just the ones you think might be transgender?
3. Should there be any special laws protecting a transgendered person who goes into the bathroom that you demand them to? What's the real threat here, a transgender person going into a woman's bathroom or a transgender person going into a men's bathroom? I would say there are going to be a lot more hateful things happening to a transgender female in a men's bathroom.

Multiple studies indicate that over 50% of transgender people have experienced sexual violence at some point in their lives. This rate is nearly double (1 in 3 girls) or triple (1 in 6 boys) the commonly reported rates of sexual abuse.

https://forge-forward.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/FAQ-10-2012-rates-of-violence.pdf
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She'd vote against any laws allowing transgenders using the same bathrooms as cis (or whatever you call us) folks. I support her in that decision.
 
RR7 said:
If someone is going to go in to a bathroom with the intent to sexually assault someone, then they are going to do that regardless of what the picture or words on the door say. That's such a dumb argument
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Also, you'd think if someone was against or scared of sexual assault (as we all should be), they wouldn't support a politician that openly wants to go up and grab women by their genitals.
 
There is not a single recorded case of a transgender person assaulting a cis person, or another trans person, in a public restroom.
A case that bigots like to point to did not involve a trans person at all. A high school girl was raped in a school restroom, which is horrible. But the rapist was a cis boy, her ex boyfriend with whom she had broken up, and who had a prior history of physical and sexual abuse. Yet, because it was in restroom, trans people got blamed.
But bigots don't care about facts. That's why they are bigots.
 
No link between trans-inclusive policies and bathroom safety, study finds
There is no evidence that letting transgender people use public facilities that align with their gender identity increases safety risks, a UCLA study finds.

There is no evidence that letting transgender people use public facilities that align with their gender identity increases safety risks, according to a new study from the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law. The study is the first of its kind to rigorously test the relationship between nondiscrimination laws in public accommodations and reports of crime in public restrooms and other gender-segregated facilities.

“Opponents of public accommodations laws that include gender identity protections often claim that the laws leave women and children vulnerable to attack in public restrooms,” said lead author Amira Hasenbush. “But this study provides evidence that these incidents are rare and unrelated to the laws.”

To determine whether a relationship exists between nondiscrimination laws and crime, Hasenbush, a law and policy fellow at the Williams Institute, zeroed in on Massachusetts, where at the time of the study some localities had transgender-inclusive public accommodation laws and others did not. She and her team compared cities and towns with similar characteristics that had such laws to those that did not. They then examined police reports of assault and privacy violations in these localities both before and after the laws came into effect.


The data were collected prior to the 2016 passage of Massachusetts’ statewide nondiscrimination law that protects transgender people in employment, housing and public accommodations.

“Research has shown that transgender people are frequently denied access, verbally harassed or physically assaulted while trying to use public restrooms,” according to Jody L. Herman, one of the study’s authors and a public policy scholar at the Williams Institute. “This study should provide some assurance that these types of public accommodations laws provide necessary protections for transgender people and maintain safety and privacy for everyone.”

TRANS RIGHTS ON THE BALLOT
The Williams Institute study comes just two months before the appearance of a Massachusetts ballot initiative that seeks to repeal the state’s 2016 nondiscrimination law, known as Senate Bill 2407, which added gender identity to existing laws prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations.

Opponents of the nondiscrimination law have been trying to repeal it since its passage. The group Keep MA Safe, founded less than two weeks after Gov. Charlie Baker signed Senate Bill 2407 in July 2016, argues that the law will enable people with “evil intentions” to “prey on the vulnerable.”

“This bill would endanger the privacy and safety of women and children in public bathrooms, locker rooms, dressing rooms, and other intimate places (such as common showers), opening them to whomever wants to be there at any given time, and also to sexual predators who claim ‘confusion’ about their gender,” Keep MA Safe Chairman Chanel Pruner stated on the organization’s website.

The organization succeeded in putting the Massachusetts Gender Identity Anti-Discrimination Veto Referendum on the ballot this November, making Massachusetts the first state to see a transgender nondiscrimination protection come up for a statewide vote.

As for the Williams Institute study, Yvette Ollada, a consultant for Keep MA Safe, called it “totally biased” and claimed “there was an obvious conflict of interest on the part of the researchers and publishers.” Ollada alleged the study’s researchers shared their findings with those in favor of keeping the nondiscrimination law in place before it was available to the public and denied that same early access to Keep MA Safe.

“This speaks to the bias of the researchers and publishers at UCLA, that they would withhold the study from one political campaign and share it with another,” Ollada said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...-policies-bathroom-safety-study-finds-n911106
 
crandc said:
There is not a single recorded case of a transgender person assaulting a cis person, or another trans person, in a public restroom.
A case that bigots like to point to did not involve a trans person at all. A high school girl was raped in a school restroom, which is horrible. But the rapist was a cis boy, her ex boyfriend with whom she had broken up, and who had a prior history of physical and sexual abuse. Yet, because it was in restroom, trans people got blamed.
But bigots don't care about facts. That's why they are bigots.
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I found one case.

https://www.kxii.com/content/news/T...ually-assaults-teen-in-walmart-505820451.html
 
Does @ABM want his wife to show her genitals and/or submit to DNA test every time she uses a public restroom? Does he want to do the same? Because the only way to enforce a ban on trans people using restroom of true gender is to check everyone. Plenty of trans people are quite gender conforming, to their true gender. Plenty of cis gender people are gender nonconforming. So the only way to tell is to have restroom police in every public restroom testing everyone. Will taxpayers foot the bill? Private business, who pass costs to customers?
These laws are not enforceable and are not intended to be. Their purpose is to whip up hate and fear of my community, so people vote Republican and the rich get more tax cuts.
 
As I said, I don't really care if there are trans folks in my public bathroom, or not. My wife is not in favor of it, and that's her choice. I'm not going to debate her decisions in here.

Actually, though, I did say bathrooms and sports. I was speaking for my wife regarding bathrooms, so I'll take that back.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
That's not an uncommon trait in people.
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Nope. It's probably the biggest
reason people hate other groups.

That and a severe lack of empathy.
 
ABM said:
As I said, I don't really care if there are trans folks in my public bathroom, or not. My wife is not in favor of it, and that's her choice. I'm not going to debate her decisions in here.

Actually, though, I did say bathrooms and sports. I was speaking for my wife regarding bathrooms, so I'll take that back.
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Maybe let her speak for herself instead of making a post using her beliefs as a security blanket.
 
julius said:
Maybe let her speak for herself instead of making a post using her beliefs as a security blanket.
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It's an issue many woman have. They need to quit being so skeeered!
 
ABM said:
It's an issue many woman have. They need to quit being so skeeered!
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Not sure what that has to do with anything I said, but ok.
 
julius said:
Not sure what that has to do with anything I said, but ok.
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what. i. said. was. it's. not. just. my. wife, who. takes. issue. with. it.

followed by a facetious they just need to get over it.
SlyPokerCat said:
If woman are that skeeered, they certainly shouldn't have voted for Trump.

Don't you think someone scared of using a bathroom with a transgender person, even if they had zero intent to sexually assault anyone, then turning around and voting for a politician openly talking about going up to women and grabbing their pussies, may be a hypocrite?
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Who said all the women who are skeered voted for Trump?
 
ABM said:
As I said, I don't really care if there are trans folks in my public bathroom, or not. My wife is not in favor of it, and that's her choice. I'm not going to debate her decisions in here.

Actually, though, I did say bathrooms and sports. I was speaking for my wife regarding bathrooms, so I'll take that back.
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How would she even know they're trans? Does everyone that doesn't look feminine enough get questioned and have to show proof?
 
julius said:
Dude, you are so clueless on so many things, it's actually comical to read your takes.
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My takes are fine. They're just not liberocity like yours. Whenever I call you out for specific examples, I get crickets.
 
RR7 said:
How would she even know they're trans? Does everyone that doesn't look feminine enough get questioned and have to show proof?
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When she hears them pissing in the stall next to her....standing up.
 
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SlyPokerCat said:
I'm not saying they are.

But wouldn't you admit that someone skeeered of transgendered people in the bathroom sexually assaulting them are hypocrites if they voted for Trump?

A simple yes or no question.
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It may not all be about assault, comrade.
 
ABM said:
When she here's them pissing in the stall next to her....standing up.
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Your wife clearly spends too much time in the bathroom.

Maybe she should find a new hobby.
 
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