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Orion Bailey said:
wtf????

you just said swimming doesnt have weight classes earlier?? Ive said im for adding weight classes??

its saturday. Are you guys on drugs? Did i fall into a rabbits hole????
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Wouldn't it be fairer to instead of using weight we use BMI and buoyancy?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Wouldn't it be fairer to instead of using weight we use BMI and buoyancy?
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To find the force of buoyancy acting on the object when in air, using this particular information, this formula applies: Buoyancy force = weight of object in empty space − weight of object immersed in fluid. The final result would be measured in Newtons. Air's density is very small compared to most solids and liquids.

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Orion Bailey said:
you were guessing. Without a question or a quote…no passive aggressive sarcasm at all right?
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Actually I asked a question in each of my posts. You just chose not to answer them (until now).

To answer your question, no.
Leave it just as it is for individual sports like swimming.
But add weight classes. Women vs women and men vs men. With weight classes.
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But why is weight even a relevant measure of fairness in swimming? Much less track and field...

barfo
 
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barfo said:
Actually I asked a question in each of my posts. You just chose not to answer them (until now).



But why is weight even a relevant measure of fairness in swimming? Much less track and field...

barfo
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pole vaulting sumo wrestlers would be great entertainment!
 
barfo said:
Actually I asked a question in each of my posts. You just chose not to answer them (until now).



But why is weight even a relevant measure of fairness in swimming? Much less track and field...

barfo
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no you see correct. You did ask a question. My mistake.
Because as i said in an earlier post sciences has shown…actually, here:


Orion Bailey said:
science has shown muscle growth and definition is based on metabolism and hormones. maybe there needs to be a range where the students have to land within that range with testing to be allowed to compete?
Then the ones outside of the range can have their own class or sect?

or any female over the range has to compete with the males?

Some peope will take offence to what im about to say but i dont care.
Maybe there should be a trans section?

We have special olympics for those with mental and physical disabilities. Would being born with sex organs opposite one thinks they are would also be a handicap or disability of some sort?

we have special olympics because they cant compete with healthy people.

Should be the same for trans.
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barfo said:
As would 90 lb women putting the shot.

barfo
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And it's a world record folks...a throw of 4'2"! meanwhile the pole vaulting sumo wrestlers have broken all but 3 poles....can they make it to the end?
 
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riverman said:
And it's a world record folks...a throw of 4'2"! meanwhile the pole vaulting sumo wrestlers have broken all but 3 poles....can they make it to the end?
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Take a walk on the wild side.
 
Weight classes in sports based on physical strength targeting an opponent directly makes sense. Boxing, wrestling, etc. Weight classes in sports like swimming and track make absolutely no sense what so ever. Its not a sound solution. It creates likely way more problems than there already are.
 
RR7 said:
Weight classes in sports based on physical strength targeting an opponent directly makes sense. Boxing, wrestling, etc. Weight classes in sports like swimming and track make absolutely no sense what so ever. Its not a sound solution. It creates likely way more problems than there already are.
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okay? You wanna name them?
 
Orion Bailey said:
okay? You wanna name them?
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It certainly doesn't solve the problem of people claiming lack of fairness. If a trans woman beats other female swimmers who all weigh in the same range, those who feel it's unfair will claim that she had more lean muscle for the same weight, as men are generally more capable of packing more lean muscle in and therefore a trans woman must have a similar advantage.

The issue isn't fairness. As barfo alluded to, Shaq isn't "fair" in basketball, just because he's a dude and other dudes are also dudes. He happened to get a biology that makes him far better than just about anyone else and there's nothing anyone can do to even out that advantage. Athletics has never been about fairness. The issue is unfamiliarity. The concept of trans people is a new one for a lot of people to grapple with and it "feels" wrong. That's not distinct to this issue--it "felt" wrong to people to have black people and white people marry; gay boys occupying the same locker room with straight boys "felt" wrong to people. It'll create anger, resentment and controversy for a number of years and then the generations that grew up with this as a rare but far from weird circumstance will stop caring. It doesn't require upending all sorts of social institutions to figure out how to make things feel fair to people who just aren't comfortable with the issue.
 
ABM said:
It is about fairness when time, measures, and/or strength are at stake.
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Thanks for the response. Next time read the post first. Your response had nothing to do with what I said.
 
Minstrel said:
It certainly doesn't solve the problem of people claiming lack of fairness. If a trans woman beats other female swimmers who all weigh in the same range, those who feel it's unfair will claim that she had more lean muscle for the same weight, as men are generally more capable of packing more lean muscle in and therefore a trans woman must have a similar advantage.

The issue isn't fairness. As barfo alluded to, Shaq isn't "fair" in basketball, just because he's a dude and other dudes are also dudes. He happened to get a biology that makes him far better than just about anyone else and there's nothing anyone can do to even out that advantage. Athletics has never been about fairness. The issue is unfamiliarity. The concept of trans people is a new one for a lot of people to grapple with and it "feels" wrong. That's not distinct to this issue--it "felt" wrong to people to have black people and white people marry; gay boys occupying the same locker room with straight boys "felt" wrong to people. It'll create anger, resentment and controversy for a number of years and then the generations that grew up with this as a rare but far from weird circumstance will stop caring. It doesn't require upending all sorts of social institutions to figure out how to make things feel fair to people who just aren't comfortable with the issue.
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Perfect. And anybody who has biological gifts that could make them be classified as men should have to compete against men.

A simple physical exam and x-ray should answer this fairly conclusively.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
To find the force of buoyancy acting on the object when in air, using this particular information, this formula applies: Buoyancy force = weight of object in empty space − weight of object immersed in fluid. The final result would be measured in Newtons. Air's density is very small compared to most solids and liquids.

1200px-Buoyancy.svg.png
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I’m VERY buoyant!
 
Minstrel said:
It certainly doesn't solve the problem of people claiming lack of fairness. If a trans woman beats other female swimmers who all weigh in the same range, those who feel it's unfair will claim that she had more lean muscle for the same weight, as men are generally more capable of packing more lean muscle in and therefore a trans woman must have a similar advantage.

The issue isn't fairness. As barfo alluded to, Shaq isn't "fair" in basketball, just because he's a dude and other dudes are also dudes. He happened to get a biology that makes him far better than just about anyone else and there's nothing anyone can do to even out that advantage. Athletics has never been about fairness. The issue is unfamiliarity. The concept of trans people is a new one for a lot of people to grapple with and it "feels" wrong. That's not distinct to this issue--it "felt" wrong to people to have black people and white people marry; gay boys occupying the same locker room with straight boys "felt" wrong to people. It'll create anger, resentment and controversy for a number of years and then the generations that grew up with this as a rare but far from weird circumstance will stop caring. It doesn't require upending all sorts of social institutions to figure out how to make things feel fair to people who just aren't comfortable with the issue.
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At least, in general it would put those with like muscle mass together in competition.

Your assertion its about feelings is again, very arrogant to assert you know why someone else has a conflict with this.

Why cant it be about fairness?

its never going to be perfect. But weight classes can have like muscle mass contenders compete, making it more competitive.

First you snark and insult intelligence.. be better.

Then you claim its cause our feels are hurt. No mention of the link and the family and crowd that are all against this.

Your posts reek of assholish arrogance…..

Dont tell other people what they feel or how to feel.

Thats some tall shit right there…..

BE BETTER!!!!!!

SMFH….
 
Phatguysrule said:
Perfect. And anybody who has biological gifts that could make them be classified as men should have to compete against men.

A simple physical exam and x-ray should answer this fairly conclusively.
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bullshit. You just have your little feels hurt and this thought is not worth anything more than snark.
Its not thought out and not deserving of a respectful response…

be aware.
Be better!!!
 
Minstrel said:
Thanks for the response. Next time read the post first. Your response had nothing to do with what I said.
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I did read your post and your response didn't appear to be germane to the direct issue at hand. But, that's OK, it's just your way.
 
ABM said:
This issue is getting parsed many different ways (but, of course), but it still doesn't discount nor eliminate the fact that trans boys/men competing in women's sports is flat out wrong and unfair on every level. It just is.
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Completely agree.
 
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Update on Alex: He still wants to be a girl, so the family is rolling with that. They're working now to find him a suitable school that he'd be comfortable in. I've been told they're visiting one in the San Juan's tomorrow.
 
ABM said:
This issue is getting parsed many different ways (but, of course), but it still doesn't discount nor eliminate the fact that trans boys/men competing in women's sports is flat out wrong and unfair on every level. It just is.
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thats just your feelings.
Be better!
 
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Orion Bailey said:
thats just your feelings.
Be better!
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Oh, if I were a river.

If I were a river
how would I feel
running and flowing
slipping over rocks
the sound thundering
or maybe whispering
along with the breezing
of the wind
and the song of birds
frozen over in winter
trapped in time
stuck
or not
just transformed
a new shape
a different perspective the seasons of the river
are the seasons of my life
the sun warms my soul
the rain replenishes
and soothes
river running
river of hopes and dreams
we are all the river
of life
 
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https://nypost.com/2021/12/07/dominating-in-womens-sports-as-a-trans-athlete-is-selfish/

Dominating in women’s sports as a trans athlete is fundamentally selfish

Lia Thomas, the transgender swimmer who broke a number of college records this past weekend, is not a hero. She’s selfish.

Why do we separate sports by gender? Because the differences are obvious to anyone with eyes.

In a hard-fought swim meet in February of this year, Kieran Smith of Florida won the men’s 500-yard freestyle event with a time of 4 minutes and 6 seconds, an American record.

A few days ago, Thomas set the women’s Ivy League record for the 500 freestyle, with 4 minutes, 34 seconds — 28 seconds slower.

Thomas competed as a male as recently as 2019. Up against Smith, he would have been destroyed. As a woman, she’s setting records.............
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The two biggest examples being used about transsexuals in sports have been in track and field and now swimming. Not sports that use weight classes.
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I believe there is a trans woman in professional wrestling (at least as of the posting of this message).
 
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Orion Bailey said:
Your assertion its about feelings is again, very arrogant to assert you know why someone else has a conflict with this.

Why cant it be about fairness?
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I explained why in the post. Read it before going off on your tirades.
 
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