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The absurd thing is that the right also believe in freedom, unless it is freedom to be different from their approved doctorine. Absurd.
 
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andalusian said:
The absurd thing is that the right also believe in freedom, unless it is freedom to be different from their approved doctorine. Absurd.
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They are big on "equality/rights/freedoms/socialism for me, but not for thee".
 
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julius said:
They are big on "equality/rights/freedoms/socialism for me, but not for thee".
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Quit picking on them! Haven't they been through enough already?! Won't somebody think of the elder white males???
 
Mediocre Man said:
Yes, He is. I am a believer in Christ and like to think I have a relationship with Him. I am also flawed, but I try and love everyone, regardless of their hatred towards some people.

I am not a big fan of judgmental people

Get over yourselves and love people like Christ says

The cherry picking of what in the Bible to observe and not to observe by so called devout Christians is ridiculous
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I'm not a fan of judgmental people, who are judgmental of things people can't control. What do I mean by that? Simple, I don't like people who are judgmental/judging of someone's color, sexual preference, how they identify, etc.

Someone can't change that they're gay, they can, however, change that they're a bigot or a racist.
 
RR7 said:
Quit picking on them! Haven't they been through enough already?! Won't somebody think of the elder white males???
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They are the only group that can STILL be made fun of. Them and Christians...
 
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julius said:
I'm not a fan of judgmental people, who are judgmental of things people can't control. What do I mean by that? Simple, I don't like people who are judgmental/judging of someone's color, sexual preference, how they identify, etc.

Someone can't change that they're gay, they can, however, change that they're a bigot or a racist.
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Here is the argument though. Are you born gay, or do you choose to be gay. I believe born gay, but that’s the argument
 
Phatguysrule said:
Mog. You're a mog. Half mod, half dog. You're your own best friend!
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I had a cat named Mog when I was a kid. Named her after this book.

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Mediocre Man said:
Here is the argument though. Are you born gay, or do you choose to be gay. I believe born gay, but that’s the argument
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It's such a faulty argument, because it implies they know the persons thoughts. (I know you're not making that argument)
 
Mediocre Man said:
Here is the argument though. Are you born gay, or do you choose to be gay. I believe born gay, but that’s the argument
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There is no argument.

Unless you think you chose to be straight. That at some point you weighed the relative merits if being gay, straight, bi, asexual or some other variant and made a conscious choice to be straight.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Here is the argument though. Are you born gay, or do you choose to be gay. I believe born gay, but that’s the argument
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My sister was born straight. Then chose to be gay. Now she's straight. I think someone in here is married to a former lesbian.

Who's to judge, though? Y'all seem to think I'm judgemental. I'm not.
 
ABM said:
My sister was born straight. Then chose to be gay. Now she's straight. I think someone in here is married to a former lesbian.

Who's to judge, though? Y'all seem to think I'm judgemental. I'm not.
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So she was born bi. Got it.
 
ABM said:
My sister was born straight. Then chose to be gay. Now she's straight. I think someone in here is married to a former lesbian.
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So at what age did you chose to be straight?
 
julius said:
Your response shows even you know that you've made a weak argument.
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The inference is that there were choices involved, She had not the capacity to make choices when she was born, but identified as straight from a young age. Her choice to become a lesbian happened in her 20's. She was a lesbian for 13 years, then chose to be straight. Has been ever since. She's now in her 70's.
 
ABM said:
My sister was born straight. Then chose to be gay. Now she's straight. I think someone in here is married to a former lesbian.

Who's to judge, though? Y'all seem to think I'm judgemental. I'm not.
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Or is she just confused on what she truly wants

Or is she gay and chooses not to live that way because of the way she is treated

Or is she bi

Or does she just want to be loved
 
Mediocre Man said:
Or is she just confused on what she truly wants

Or is she gay and chooses not to live that way because of the way she is treated

Or is she bi

Or does she just want to be loved
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Could be the last one (as sly voted for), but it could also be someone who is repressing their feelings because of the fear instilled in them by their religion.

Lots of people repress themselves because of their religious beliefs. The 60's and 70's had a lot of women who "knew their roles" because that's what their respective religious communities told them was their role.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Or is she just confused on what she truly wants

Or is she gay and chooses not to live that way because of the way she is treated

Or is she bi

Or does she just want to be loved
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She has a very large network of friends. She's well loved by them, our family, and loves back in so many ways. She hasn't had a boyfriend in years, but would like one. She's pretty picky. LOL
 
ABM said:
The inference is that there were choices involved, She had not the capacity to make choices when she was born, but identified as straight from a young age. Her choice to become a lesbian happened in her 20's. She was a lesbian for 13 years, then chose to be straight. Has been ever since. She's now in her 70's.
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If she is saying she chose that then she was likely born bi.

If it's your interpretation that she chose then it could certainly be any of the scenerios MM mentioned.

I'm glad she found happiness.
 
There are people who live their lives gay or straight then surprise! Fall in love with "wrong" gender. IMO human sexuality is a continuum with some people exclusively gay or straight but most somewhere along the line. Primary but not exclusive. Mostly opposite sex attraction but occasionally same sex and vice versa. Only in a homophobic society there is intense pressure to avoid same sex relationship.
If a person says they found love, great. I don't give a damn the gender of the other person.
 
Glad we can all agree. :)
 
Chris Craig said:
The stakes for one side in this, are people just trying to live. They are just trying to be who they are and being told that is not ok and having laws made against them. The trans community is literally fighting for their lives.

Its like if a large group of people suddenly said it wasn't ok for me or you to be straight white males and made laws against it. It's far more complex than that, but the point is made.

On the other side is people trying to win. Whether because of willful ignorance or hate, trying to stop a group of people from being able to be who they are and live their lives accordingly.

Maybe hate is not the answer to hate. There are better ways to combat it. But, I can understand the cause for anger.
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What hate (anti-protection?) laws are out there as you see them?
 
ABM said:
Agreed. Who'll step up and be the arbiter, though?
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If only there were a way to love all people and not project hate on someone because they think different than someone else. There was a guy in the Bible like that, that so called Christians claim to love and try to be like. There would be no need for an arbitrator
 
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