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Now you are just being a jerk, with clearly no reason to be.

We are done. Don't ever quote me again. Don't ever reply to me ever again. If you persist. I will contact the dog to make sure you don't harass me, for your misguided beliefs.
 
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I actually knew someone once who said both sides were equivalent because Jewish partisans in World War II killed Nazi soldiers. No difference between that and mass slaughter of millions of civilians.
 
crandc said:
I actually knew someone once who said both sides were equivalent because Jewish partisans in World War II killed Nazi soldiers. No difference between that and mass slaughter of millions of civilians.
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It's a special form of gas-lighting to be that misinformed, ain't it?
 
Road Ratt said:
The threads real purpose, from my perspective, is for both sides to hate on each other.

In other words: "Business as usual" in the OT section.
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I do hate: I hate having my rights taken away. I hate having my identity and experiences minimized by people who think their way of seeing the world is obviously correct because everyone does it.

trans people are 4x more likely to be autistic than cis people. I myself am autistic; I think you might understand the frustration I feel as a trans person, because what the cis community does to trans people is not dissimilar to what the allistic community does to autistic people. The casual talk of eugenics, the insistence it’s not real and also that it’s ruining lives (mostly the lives of parents). The infantilizing of the people themselves because neurodivergence of any kind is seen as a deficiency.

I’m sorry if my defense of myself and my people comes across as hate similar to the hate of people trying to delegitimize me and my people.
 
Everything Beagle said:
I do hate: I hate having my rights taken away. I hate having my identity and experiences minimized by people who think their way of seeing the world is obviously correct because everyone does it.
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Very good point. People love to assume their way is the only way, or that everything is black or white (not race wise, just the expression "the world is not black or white, but shades of grey" sorta thing).

trans people are 4x more likely to be autistic than cis people. I myself am autistic; I think you might understand the frustration I feel as a trans person, because what the cis community does to trans people is not dissimilar to what the allistic community does to autistic people. The casual talk of eugenics, the insistence it’s not real and also that it’s ruining lives (mostly the lives of parents). The infantilizing of the people themselves because neurodivergence of any kind is seen as a deficiency.

I’m sorry if my defense of myself and my people comes across as hate similar to the hate of people trying to delegitimize me and my people.
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I'm not speaking for anyone else but me, and I know you weren't responding to me but meh, I feel that you've been justified in your responses.
 
julius said:
Very good point. People love to assume their way is the only way, or that everything is black or white (not race wise, just the expression "the world is not black or white, but shades of grey" sorta thing).
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I feel like a lot of that lack of nuance is because people (in my experience, mainly allistic people) don’t really feel good having to re-examine the frameworks their experience of reality is based on. Autistic people by and large build up their moral and experiential frameworks by hand from the bottom up, from examples they see. So our framework is often made up of smaller bricks that can be replaced without the entire framework collapsing.

I feel like allistic people’s framework is made up of a lot fewer pieces; I don’t mean to imply the infantile but think Duplo versus Lego. To get the same size, you need like 12 Lego bricks or one Duplo brick. It’s a lot more effort to build if you’re autistic, and you might end up having a really rough childhood learning all those “obvious” lessons that came built-in to the duplo block.

Trans people are complicating (not complicated, at least for this discussion!): accepting our legitimacy requires re-examining your frameworks and replacing parts to accept us. For some folks that’s easy; maybe they got more examples to build a more flexible framework. For others it means having to tear everything down and rebuild. And that’s a big hassle. Usually people only do that for their family if they know that love is more important than parts.

I'm not speaking for anyone else but me, and I know you weren't responding to me but meh, I feel that you've been justified in your responses.
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thanks, I feel like I have been as well.
 
julius said:
It's a special form of gas-lighting to be that misinformed, ain't it?
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More like ultimate both siderism.

Trans and queer people generally just want to live our lives in peace. A major political party, backed by money and media empire, considers it top priority to attack trans people, not just civil rights but their actual existence. Trans people have been called demonic and mutant, blamed for school and other mass killings, called enemy of Christianity. When trans people and allies protest, we are not trying to take away cis people's civil rights. There is no both sides equally hating. Saying that is simply excusing the full out assault on trans people.
 
NOOOO! I was told Tennessee is a wonderful place! How can this be Dog?
 
julius said:
This like saying how "both sides do it", when one side makes up laws taking away rights from people, and the other points out how unethical that is to do.
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Both sides make up laws to take rights away from people...
 
Everything Beagle said:
I'm probably mis-reading this, but I don't think trans people are trying to take rights away from cis people (last I checked we have.... three or four in politics above the local level nationwide?)
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Sorry, speaking generally about right and left political ideologies. Actually, I may have been misreading the conversation. Been a lot on my mind lately.
 
https://erininthemorn.substack.com/p/missouri-ag-just-banned-most-adult


Missouri AG Just Banned Most Adult Gender Affirming Care In Cruelest Anti-Trans Move Yet

The Attorney General of Missouri just unilaterally banned most adult gender affirming care. This decision is one of the most cruel policies ever released and represents a new front in this fight.

It would require that all trans people have 3 years of severe, persistent gender dysphoria to obtain care, and would require 18 months of therapy sessions designed to “explore influences on the patient’s gender identity and mental health comorbidities.” It would require things like depression and anxiety to be resolved before starting gender affirming care, and would also ban that care for trans adults with autism. It would require tests for “social contagion” and would require 15 years worth of medical follow-ups for all trans adults. Collectively, these requirements would ban gender affirming care for most adults in the state.
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What the Fuck is social contagion?

And how do you treat depression while ignoring the cause?

Cruelty is the point.

This is also the state that legalized grown men marrying 12 year old girls, outlawed all abortion and defunded libraries.

Change the name to Misery.
 
crandc said:
What the Fuck is social contagion?

And how do you treat depression while ignoring the cause?

Cruelty is the point.

This is also the state that legalized grown men marrying 12 year old girls, outlawed all abortion and defunded libraries.

Change the name to Misery.
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social contagion is the new term for “being trans is cool now so all the kids are doing it but it’s just a fashion phase.” Kind of a fearmongering combo of peer pressure and media glorification
 
Everything Beagle said:
social contagion is the new term for “being trans is cool now so all the kids are doing it but it’s just a fashion phase.” Kind of a fearmongering combo of peer pressure and media glorification
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I remember hearing how "being gay" is a choice/fad and that's the only reason why kids were doing it. Such an odd argument to make.
 
julius said:
I remember hearing how "being gay" is a choice/fad and that's the only reason why kids were doing it. Such an odd argument to make.
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It makes total sense when you realize it’s just bullshit to justify authoritarian control over your children. None of these arguments “make sense”; they aren’t supposed to stand up to rigor. They’re meant to froth up mom and dad to get them to send their kid to some conversion camp in the woods.
 
Everything Beagle said:
It makes total sense when you realize it’s just bullshit to justify authoritarian control over your children. None of these arguments “make sense”; they aren’t supposed to stand up to rigor. They’re meant to froth up mom and dad to get them to send their kid to some conversion camp in the woods.
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Yep. They know that the people they are reaching are gullible morons who are simple minded oafs.
 
julius said:
Yep. They know that the people they are reaching are gullible morons who are simple minded oafs.
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It’s not even a gullible thing (at least I don’t think it is), it’s more like evangelical dog whistling, letting them know who needs to be socially ostracized or outright stoned to death
 
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