I'm So SICK & TIRED of Neil Olshey (1 Viewer)

[UKRAINEFAN]

Question for you and everyone else regarding Paul George, using hindsight if you were the Pacers would you rather have?

A) Oladipo, Sabonis, and Leaf

B) Zach Collins and Donovan Mitchell

Factoring in Oladipo's pretty big contract, I would choose B. I actually think the Pacers surprise season is going to be hard on them long term. They probably would've been worse this year with B but they'd have a decent lottery pick to add to that core. It's very similar to our 2015-16 season in which we kinda screwed ourselves by being that good.

I don't understand; how could they have had both of Collins and Mitchell?

 

[Sarni]

I don't think it would've been difficult at all. We already know 15 and 20 got 10. 17 and 20 might have been enough too. Then 15 and 26 or 17 and 26 is better than what Denver got from Utah. They could've also skipped Denver and traded with Charlotte or Detroit. That draft was super deep.

Maybe you are right. Apparently Denver wanted to move back because they targeted OG Anunoby and figured he would have been available with the Jazz pick at 24 but Toronto took him one pick earlier so they were forced to take Lydon. They would have had a better chance to land OG at 17 of course. I am not sure how high they were on Lyles though, he has actually been good for them.

I’m not sure if anyone bar Sacramento would have traded back from top 12 but they could have got Mitchell at 10 and then Collins at 14 for instance. Thing is Monk was a better and a more stable prospect than Mitchell at the time. Nobody really grabbed their head at any team not picking Mitchell before 13. It was a toss between him and Kennard at 12 and Detroit were justified to go after Kennard. It’s only after a year of him exceeding all expectations at Utah that people think he was the obvious choice.

Back then you would have literally laughed at Donovan Mitchell plus a no. 26 pick (as that what you would have got for all our picks combined, no. 10 from Sacramento and a 26 from Cleveland) plus some bad contract like Crabbe which we would have had to throw into the deal to make it work financially. Not anymore now because Mitchell would have properly replaced George as the face of that franchise (just like Oladipo has).

Of course if you had offered Indiana CJ that’s a different conversation. It’s also what we should have done, in a hindsight, and gone for Mitchell in the draft. Lillard, Mitchell and George is better than Lillard, CJ and George (if you assume they would have taken the deal you proposed).

 

[Sarni]

I don't understand; how could they have had both of Collins and Mitchell?

Take one at 10 by combining no. 15 and no. 20 like we did and the other at wherever they land by combining no. 17 they had and no. 26 we would have given them. I think.

 

[hoopsjock]

Maybe you are right. Apparently Denver wanted to move back because they targeted OG Anunoby and figured he would have been available with the Jazz pick at 24 but Toronto took him one pick earlier so they were forced to take Lydon. They would have had a better chance to land OG at 17 of course. I am not sure how high they were on Lyles though, he has actually been good for them.

I’m not sure if anyone bar Sacramento would have traded back from top 12 but they could have got Mitchell at 10 and then Collins at 14 for instance. Thing is Monk was a better and a more stable prospect than Mitchell at the time. Nobody really grabbed their head at any team not picking Mitchell before 13. It was a toss between him and Kennard at 12 and Detroit were justified to go after Kennard. It’s only after a year of him exceeding all expectations at Utah that people think he was the obvious choice.

Back then you would have literally laughed at Donovan Mitchell plus a no. 26 pick (as that what you would have got for all our picks combined, no. 10 from Sacramento and a 26 from Cleveland) plus some bad contract like Crabbe which we would have had to throw into the deal to make it work financially. Not anymore now because Mitchell would have properly replaced George as the face of that franchise (just like Oladipo has).

Of course if you had offered Indiana CJ that’s a different conversation. It’s also what we should have done, in a hindsight, and gone for Mitchell in the draft. Lillard, Mitchell and George is better than Lillard, CJ and George (if you assume they would have taken the deal you proposed).

Actually Mitchell was shooting up the draft boards the month prior to the draft. I was the Kings in a mock off season on a different site and I drafted Mitchell at #10 before the actual draft. Besides a lot of people were laughing at Indy for only getting Oladipo and Sabonis.

If I'm trading my franchise player, I'm not doing so for an okay to decent player (which Oladipo was) and a big with some potential but not a game changer. I'm going full rebuild with draft picks. The problem with the way they did it, especially since Oladipo had a breakout season is that now they are in the same position a lot of other teams are in (including Portland) where it would take a super good draft pick outside of the lottery, a miracle trade, or a huge free agent signing(s) to compete but they aren't bad enough to rebuild either. Maybe it doesn't matter because Mitchell might have led them to a similar record as Oladipo did but at least in that situation they would have had a guy 4 years younger and on his rookie deal. They said the Blazers offered all 3 draft picks and anyone on the roster besides Dame, CJ, and Nurk. The package could have been the picks, Davis, and Harkless or the picks Davis, Aminu, and Napier/Vonleh. They wouldn't have had to take on a bad contract necessarily.

We also don't know how much Kevin Pritchard being the GM played into it either. He may not have traded with us no matter what the offer was.

 

[TBpup]

I don't understand the context of that quote; especially the part about pundits picking us to win?

The link to the podcast was with the quote. They were dumbfounded by Neil's quote at the exit interviews. (I believe that is where he said that.)

 

[Sarni]

Actually Mitchell was shooting up the draft boards the month prior to the draft. I was the Kings in a mock off season on a different site and I drafted Mitchell at #10 before the actual draft. Besides a lot of people were laughing at Indy for only getting Oladipo and Sabonis.

If I'm trading my franchise player, I'm not doing so for an okay to decent player (which Oladipo was) and a big with some potential but not a game changer. I'm going full rebuild with draft picks. The problem with the way they did it, especially since Oladipo had a breakout season is that now they are in the same position a lot of other teams are in (including Portland) where it would take a super good draft pick outside of the lottery, a miracle trade, or a huge free agent signing(s) to compete but they aren't bad enough to rebuild either. Maybe it doesn't matter because Mitchell might have led them to a similar record as Oladipo did but at least in that situation they would have had a guy 4 years younger and on his rookie deal. They said the Blazers offered all 3 draft picks and anyone on the roster besides Dame, CJ, and Nurk. The package could have been the picks, Davis, and Harkless or the picks Davis, Aminu, and Napier/Vonleh. They wouldn't have had to take on a bad contract necessarily.

We also don't know how much Kevin Pritchard being the GM played into it either. He may not have traded with us no matter what the offer was.

They weren’t willing to go for a full rebuild because they had a ton of cap space and figured they could build a fun team around it. They did exactly that.

You are not going to get a player of George’s caliber if you approach the team and tell them you will give them anybody bar everyone half decent that you have. If Spurs make Kawhi available this year and Olshey comes to them and tells them that he can offer our no. 24, the 2020 pick and btw you can choose anyone from Harkless, Aminu and Meyers it’s not going to work either. You need to offer proper assets to get a big player and you also need to take risks.

 

[BBert]

For sure Mitchell would have been good for us and that would be a heck of a 3 guard rotation going forward. But Mitchell would not have had the season he had if Portland had drafted him. How could he? He'd have played all season behind Dame and CJ. Then we'd be complaining about some other player we should have drafted instead of Mitchell. Maybe some team that needed a PF/C would have drafted Zach and he'd have started all season and he'd be the ROY candidate? Who knows? The Mitchell pick would have been good. The Zach pick was good. Maybe we can target a guard in the draft and trade up again? That would be good

 

[hoopsjock]

They weren’t willing to go for a full rebuild because they had a ton of cap space and figured they could build a fun team around it. They did exactly that.

You are not going to get a player of George’s caliber if you approach the team and tell them you will give them anybody bar everyone half decent that you have. If Spurs make Kawhi available this year and Olshey comes to them and tells them that he can offer our no. 24, the 2020 pick and btw you can choose anyone from Harkless, Aminu and Meyers it’s not going to work either. You need to offer proper assets to get a big player and you also need to take risks.

Huh? Taking on Oladipo and Sabonis was more against their cap than any trade with us. They used their cap space on Darren Collison (who had a decent year but had a domestic violence hit on his record from a couple years ago so not many teams were touching him) and Bojan Bogdonavic (who also had a decent year) but they signed them both to two year deals with the 2nd year non-guaranteed. It's possible neither guy is even on their roster next year. I can see the argument for making the trade they did for Oladipo, especially now, but I'm just saying I would have gone full rebuild and the jury is still out whether their "fun" team was the right play.

As for George I think last summer was a lot different than this summer because everyone knew he was unhappy and he was already rumored to be going to LA in a year no matter what. Of course the proposal you suggest is nowhere near fair value for Kawhi and wouldn't get any consideration. Offering the 15th, 20th, 26th (or maybe even our pick in 2018 and we'd just keep the 26th) and Davis, Aminu, and Napier is a much different trade offer than offering just the 24th and a future pick.

 

[Binx]

Does this fool not realize that the playoffs are an entirely different type of basketball? Its an entirely different game. So the basketball played in those 82 games doesnt always translate. Its very easy to take away 1-2 guys in the playoffs, especially on a team that doesnt move the ball.

And, by using his logic, I could counter with this: We should base the team off a 69-game sample size, as it's bigger than a 13-game sample size.

Agreed. This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard Olshey say. Who cares what the Blazers do in the regular season if they can’t duplicate it in the playoffs? What an idiot.

 

[Lanny]

He said that he cares about the team. hence emotion. So he is a die hard fan by your criteria.

But why do we go to the "if you're a real fan" in here? Who cares if you spend 40,000 on the team a year, or $1.

I felt sick giving the team any money. Not because of the team, but because of the business aspect. I try to avoid giving them any money if I possibly can, but I'm still a fan. They are not intertwined.

All that meaning people have different ways to show they are true fans. Money is not the currency of fandom.

There's a long history about how much one pays for Blazer tickets that you are obviously unaware of. It didn't occur suddenly.

 

[Lanny]

Agreed. This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard Olshey say. Who cares what the Blazers do in the regular season if they can’t duplicate it in the playoffs? What an idiot.

This sort of thinking simply defies logic.

 

[KingSpeed]

OMG. I just listened to Olshey's exit interview. So defensive. And why is he so angry? And who is he angry at? The people on this board? I'm pretty sure he reads this board. Unbelievable. I'm fine with what he said but the tone of voice? Wow.

 

[KingSpeed]

Olshey is so sick and tired of bonesjones.

Honestly? I think he is!

 

[jlprk]

I'm pretty sure he reads this board.

As a supervisor, Olshey needs to verify whether the three O-Livers are doing the job they're paid to do.

 

[BonesJones]

OMG. I just listened to Olshey's exit interview. So defensive. And why is he so angry? And who is he angry at? The people on this board? I'm pretty sure he reads this board. Unbelievable. I'm fine with what he said but the tone of voice? Wow.

That's exactly my issue with him. So condescending. Thinks he's some sort of genius and nobody else knows anything. Arrogant ass.

 

[BonesJones]

Olshey is so sick and tired of bonesjones.

I hope so!

 

[KingSpeed]

I hope so!

WHERE WERE YOU TEN DAYS AGO WHEN EVERYONE EXCITED ABOUT BEING THE THIRD SEED???!!??!

 

[Lanny]

WHERE WERE YOU TEN DAYS AGO WHEN EVERYONE EXCITED ABOUT BEING THE THIRD SEED???!!??!

Some were waiting for us to lose so they could rag on the team. Now, what's wrong with that? Perfectly normal thing for a fan. Right?

 

[Gronk Brady]

Some were waiting for us to lose so they could rag on the team. Now, what's wrong with that? Perfectly normal thing for a fan. Right?

Now this old fan Lanny is being condescending like Neil... we should just be thankful they win some regular season games... how dare any fan be disappointed the Blazers got swept.

 

[Lanny]

Now this old fan Lanny is being condescending like Neil... we should just be thankful they win some regular season games... how dare any fan be disappointed the Blazers got swept.

Is the personal attack your forte?

And what's my age got to do with the content of my post? Answer - Nothing unless you're a bigot.

 

[jlprk]

boohoo. Someone slaps you around and now you calaim we are paid? That's hilarious but extremely weak. Stick with macts instead of your alternative facts then.

Ollllsheeee!

Your man here can't even type. I hope you don't pay him $17 mill per year. More like $1-2M/yr.

 

[Sarni]

Huh? Taking on Oladipo and Sabonis was more against their cap than any trade with us. They used their cap space on Darren Collison (who had a decent year but had a domestic violence hit on his record from a couple years ago so not many teams were touching him) and Bojan Bogdonavic (who also had a decent year) but they signed them both to two year deals with the 2nd year non-guaranteed. It's possible neither guy is even on their roster next year. I can see the argument for making the trade they did for Oladipo, especially now, but I'm just saying I would have gone full rebuild and the jury is still out whether their "fun" team was the right play.

As for George I think last summer was a lot different than this summer because everyone knew he was unhappy and he was already rumored to be going to LA in a year no matter what. Of course the proposal you suggest is nowhere near fair value for Kawhi and wouldn't get any consideration. Offering the 15th, 20th, 26th (or maybe even our pick in 2018 and we'd just keep the 26th) and Davis, Aminu, and Napier is a much different trade offer than offering just the 24th and a future pick.

I didn't mean that they'd have more cap space by getting Oladipo, only that they'd have a ready now player who combined with a few more free agents who can compete now would give them a team that could play a bit of basketball already without having to go through 5-6 years rebuild which more often ends up in what Sacramento are today than in what Philadelphia have.

 

[AFully22]

This article perfectly drags Olshey through the mud and asks a lot of the questions I wanted him to be asked at the exit interviews.

 

[hoopsjock]

This article perfectly drags Olshey through the mud and asks a lot of the questions I wanted him to be asked at the exit interviews.

Was Eggers there? If not, why not? If he was, why didn't he ask these "questions" then?

 

[jlprk]

oooh, a typo. Wow, that's some serious stuff you have going on.

2 misspellings. We are seeing Olshey's hiring skills at work. He should have paid his secretary $17M/yr to post here instead of you.

 

[jlprk]

Was Eggers there? If not, why not? If he was, why didn't he ask these "questions" then?

You have proven that Olshey is right! Great proof there! Does Olshey ever think of anything the next day? Maybe he should.

 

[AFully22]

Was Eggers there? If not, why not? If he was, why didn't he ask these "questions" then?

It says right in the article he was there.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Neil Olshey is a coward... he is scared to make a big move... he knows this is a failed experiment and won’t admit it! You have to take a big risk for big reward. Do the right thing and trade CJ.

 

[hoopsjock]

It says right in the article he was there.

I can't respect someone who doesn't ask tough questions at the press conference and then "drags him through the mud" afterwards. Man up and ask these questions when you had the chance.

 

[AFully22]

I can't respect someone who doesn't ask tough questions at the press conference and then "drags him through the mud" afterwards. Man up and ask these questions when you had the chance.

If that’s what you got out of that article I don’t know what to say.