I'm So SICK & TIRED of Neil Olshey (1 Viewer)

[UKRAINEFAN]

Be careful mentioning Olive on this forum as there are some who take offense to people from there lol.

Don't worry about that! I think we're gonna like this TorturedBlazerFan!

 

[calvin natt]

@hoopsjock
I realize luck is involved to a degree. I'm not that out of the realm of reality. Look at Boston too though, they traded off HOF'ers at the end of their career for a bunch of draft picks that have them set up for a while too. No we can't duplicate what some other team did, but we can in fact have our own ideas of how to compete for a championship. I don't really think we have the core right now to get there (I could be wrong). I think using what we have to get a bunch of high draft picks is an interesting idea and at least provide some entertainment and make me want to watch.
I'm telling you right now if they go into next season with CJ / Dame / Nurk and Stotts and the role players are mostly the same, it's gonna be painful to accept that. You gotta get lucky, but you can build through the draft and smart free agent pick ups. GS basically did that (I know they ended up with Durant, but they built mostly through the draft prior to that).

You might not be wrong but the owner might now want to go that route, and that's all that matters. Owners routinely tell their basketball people what they will/wont accept to build a team, and blowing it up and going the Sixers route is likely a no-go from Paul Allen.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

The 1988-89 team got swept in the first round in Drexler's 6th year and hadn't done shit in the playoffs prior. Should they have blown it up then?

No, but maybe they should have got a new coach, and in fact they did! After you posted this (thanks) I did some research and I noticed something. In the middle of that season Rick Adelman replaced Mike Schulman. I somehow missed the timing on that back then. I know that the storyline has always been that acquiring Buck Williams (13.6 points, 9.8 rebounds) is what pushed them from 39-43 to 69-23 (and into the finals) in one year, but I think now it's a lot more likely it was due to the coaching change. And I doubt if Schulman was a bad coach. But Adelman was better and sometimes just the change is really good. And since we are in the Olshey thread, I want to say again that the most disappointing thing for me is that he has not replaced Stotts.

 

[Gronk Brady]

The bottom line is someone has to pay the price for that disastrous performance in the playoffs... there are only 3 options: 1) fire Stotts, 2) fire Olshey, or 3) trade Dame or CJ... until one of those three happens there is no reason to be happy with or trust the Blazers... there needs to be some accountability, for how much fans invest emotionally and financially with the team

 

[hoopsjock]

No, but maybe they should have got a new coach, and in fact they did! After you posted this (thanks) I did some research and I noticed something. In the middle of that season Rick Adelman replaced Mike Schulman. I somehow missed the timing on that back then. I know that the storyline has always been that acquiring Buck Williams (13.6 points, 9.8 rebounds) is what pushed them from 39-43 to 69-23 (and into the finals) in one year, but I think now it's a lot more likely it was due to the coaching change. And I doubt if Schulman was a bad coach. But Adelman was better and sometimes just the change is really good. And since we are in the Olshey thread, I want to say again that the most disappointing thing for me is that he has not replaced Stotts.

I can certainly see the argument that replacing the coach could give the team a bump. The Nuggets haven't made the playoffs since replacing George Karl 5 seasons ago so sometimes the opposite happens too. It's a tough spot to be in because the team DID overachieve in the regular season but completely vanished in the playoffs. Do you reward the coach and GM for doing as well as they did or do you punish them for the playoff failure? Could it just simply be that Dame was off his game and the Pelicans couldn't miss and we're trying to make it into a larger problem than it is? Does our team suck and need an overhaul based on 4 games? Even if you answer those questions correctly and make every right decision is it enough to get past the Warriors anyway? This is why I say building an NBA title roster is the hardest thing to do in sports.

 

[hoopsjock]

The bottom line is someone has to pay the price for that disastrous performance in the playoffs... there are only 3 options: 1) fire Stotts, 2) fire Olshey, or 3) trade Dame or CJ... until one of those three happens there is no reason to be happy with or trust the Blazers... there needs to be some accountability, for how much fans invest emotionally and financially with the team

Or they could land a quality player with the TPE, find a gem in the draft, sign a vet with the tax-MLE, and/or make a good trade with other players.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The bottom line is someone has to pay the price for that disastrous performance in the playoffs... there are only 3 options: 1) fire Stotts, 2) fire Olshey, or 3) trade Dame or CJ... until one of those three happens there is no reason to be happy with or trust the Blazers... there needs to be some accountability, for how much fans invest emotionally and financially with the team

4) KILL THE TRAIL CAT!

 

[Gronk Brady]

Or they could land a quality player with the TPE, find a gem in the draft, sign a vet with the tax-MLE, and/or make a good trade with other players.

None of those options will get you a difference maker... it will be the same team with Dame/CJ jacking up most the shots, dribbling away most he shot clock... getting destroyed on defense

 

[Hobbesarable]

No, but maybe they should have got a new coach, and in fact they did! After you posted this (thanks) I did some research and I noticed something. In the middle of that season Rick Adelman replaced Mike Schulman. I somehow missed the timing on that back then. I know that the storyline has always been that acquiring Buck Williams (13.6 points, 9.8 rebounds) is what pushed them from 39-43 to 69-23 (and into the finals) in one year, but I think now it's a lot more likely it was due to the coaching change. And I doubt if Schulman was a bad coach. But Adelman was better and sometimes just the change is really good. And since we are in the Olshey thread, I want to say again that the most disappointing thing for me is that he has not replaced Stotts.

Another team that benefited from a coaching change were the Chicago Bulls going from Doug Collins (1986-89) to Phil Jackson (1989-1998). And the rest is history!

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I can certainly see the argument that replacing the coach could give the team a bump. The Nuggets haven't made the playoffs since replacing George Karl 5 seasons ago so sometimes the opposite happens too. It's a tough spot to be in because the team DID overachieve in the regular season but completely vanished in the playoffs. Do you reward the coach and GM for doing as well as they did or do you punish them for the playoff failure? Could it just simply be that Dame was off his game and the Pelicans couldn't miss and we're trying to make it into a larger problem than it is? Does our team suck and need an overhaul based on 4 games? Even if you answer those questions correctly and make every right decision is it enough to get past the Warriors anyway? This is why I say building an NBA title roster is the hardest thing to do in sports.

So I took a break from this, but I would like to say, I think it's more than 4 games. At the end of the season they had a brutally bad road trip, they lost to Dallas (trying to lose) and Memphis (also trying to lose). This team was also last in assists, and last in fast break points it's somewhat miraculous that they had the record they did when they clearly did not get easy baskets. Yes the Pelican series was embarrassing and is fueling some of it, but there was cause for concern before that. Before the 13 game winning streak, this was a very frustrating season, the Blazers were incredibly inconsistent all year. Just a weird season and maybe it's an over-reaction on my part but I really do want to see some changes, and if I was Paul Allen, NO would be on incredibly thin ice if I hadn't already let him go.
I'm not claiming NO's job is easy but he get's paid pretty well to do it.

 

[hoopsjock]

So I took a break from this, but I would like to say, I think it's more than 4 games. At the end of the season they had a brutally bad road trip, they lost to Dallas (trying to lose) and Memphis (also trying to lose). This team was also last in assists, and last in fast break points it's somewhat miraculous that they had the record they did when they clearly did not get easy baskets. Yes the Pelican series was embarrassing and is fueling some of it, but there was cause for concern before that. Before the 13 game winning streak, this was a very frustrating season, the Blazers were incredibly inconsistent all year. Just a weird season and maybe it's an over-reaction on my part but I really do want to see some changes, and if I was Paul Allen, NO would be on incredibly thin ice if I hadn't already let him go.
I'm not claiming NO's job is easy but he get's paid pretty well to do it.

I guess my problem is that every single thing you just mentioned is coaching related issues but your conclusion is to fire Olshey, not Stotts. Despite struggling on offense for a good portion of the year they still finished 9th in offensive rating. We can harp on the lack of fast breaks and assists all day but the team still scored a lot of points.

The Blazers were 25-7 against under .500 teams. Losing to Memphis and Dallas wasn't the problem. Some people keep mentioning injuries to other teams being the reason we got the 3rd seed but then seem to forget that the Memphis game we didn't have Dame and then Dame, Ed, and Moe all missed games down the stretch too. Losing on the road to Denver, SA, and Houston isn't really a big surprise either. That was a brutal road trip but you're right they should've got the Dallas game but sometimes the toughest games are the ones you HAVE to win. They went 21-20 on the road too which is very respectable.

 

[hoopsjock]

None of those options will get you a difference maker... it will be the same team with Dame/CJ jacking up most the shots, dribbling away most he shot clock... getting destroyed on defense

Actually all those options have the possibility of getting a difference maker. Plus the defense was the 7th rated defense in the league.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I guess my problem is that every single thing you just mentioned is coaching related issues but your conclusion is to fire Olshey, not Stotts. Despite struggling on offense for a good portion of the year they still finished 9th in offensive rating. We can harp on the lack of fast breaks and assists all day but the team still scored a lot of points.

The Blazers were 25-7 against under .500 teams. Losing to Memphis and Dallas wasn't the problem. Some people keep mentioning injuries to other teams being the reason we got the 3rd seed but then seem to forget that the Memphis game we didn't have Dame and then Dame, Ed, and Moe all missed games down the stretch too. Losing on the road to Denver, SA, and Houston isn't really a big surprise either. That was a brutal road trip but you're right they should've got the Dallas game but sometimes the toughest games are the ones you HAVE to win. They went 21-20 on the road too which is very respectable.

My point was that it's not just the 4- game series against the Pelicans it's more than that. There was some signs coming into it that things weren't right. Memphis was missing Conley, and actively trying to lose and the Blazers excuse is Dame wasn't playing, I get it, but also what does that say about the rest of the roster NO has put together?
Whether it's Stotts, Olshey, players whatever there appears to be some issues that need addressed, my guess is a new GM would put pressure on Stotts to perform or he wouldn't be here long so that the GM could bring in his own coach. The Blazers have skated by the last few years on the fact they've had to play Golden State in the Playoffs, so we've excused the bad record, but I think it's hard after this year to look at it and say well the only reason they struggled in the playoffs is because they were playing GS it looked like they weren't that close to taking the step to be competitive with the Pelicans.

 

[hoopsjock]

My point was that it's not just the 4- game series against the Pelicans it's more than that. There was some signs coming into it that things weren't right. Memphis was missing Conley, and actively trying to lose and the Blazers excuse is Dame wasn't playing, I get it, but also what does that say about the rest of the roster NO has put together?
Whether it's Stotts, Olshey, players whatever there appears to be some issues that need addressed, my guess is a new GM would put pressure on Stotts to perform or he wouldn't be here long so that the GM could bring in his own coach. The Blazers have skated by the last few years on the fact they've had to play Golden State in the Playoffs, so we've excused the bad record, but I think it's hard after this year to look at it and say well the only reason they struggled in the playoffs is because they were playing GS it looked like they weren't that close to taking the step to be competitive with the Pelicans.

Once again, I can't excuse getting swept by the Pelicans. It was pathetic. You keep referring the the regular season though. They won 8 more games than the previous year which is a pretty sizeable jump. Last summer I'm pretty sure you were complaining on O-Live about how all of the teams in the West made major additions and the Blazers didn't do much so I think you're changing the narrative a little bit after the fact. Neither one of us is right or wrong though. It's very conceivable that they could take another jump like that next year with only minor tweaks. It's also possible that everything was "fools gold" and they are stuck in mediocrity forever with no chance of ever coming out of it. If the team fails to make moves this summer with all the avenues available to do so then I will fully be aboard with your stance.

 

[Orion Bailey]

That is incorrect as there are other ways to improve the roster. Some of you are so fixated on hating Olshey and thinking trading McCollum is the only way to improve the roster and showing very little creativity.

Please list the other ways to build/improve this roster?

If you are going to discount ones opinion and say its incorrect, please offer an alternative, or its hard ot take your post seriously.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

@hoopsjock
I remember not really being on board with the Blazers chasing Carmelo though if they would’ve got him I think he have been upgrade at the 3. I don’t remember complaining that other teams got better and the Blazers didn’t but I guess I can’t refute it either. I know I get went into the season saying they had a chance to compete for 3rd in the West (and hey I guess they got it). I know around the end of December was about the worst I had felt towards the Blazers in years. Like the inconsistency, the bad play calling and was just so hard to watch the rotation also took forever to come around. It just seems like everything went right for those 13 games and it really changed how people talked and thought about the Blazers (with good reason 13 game streaks are impressive). Whether Paul Allen fires NO or not, I think it will be interesting to see what comes of this summer, and I really hope it’s not disappointing...

 

[Orion Bailey]

Heck, I have seen it happen many times where a team chooses to go all in on a rebuild and take several years to maybe get back to the same level. I have no problem with Olshey and Stotts having another year and see what they can put together. If nothing better happens then get a new GM and coach.

Ive decided, I am okay with one more year too, because then Turner and Meyers are expiring that will be assets. Then NO has no more excuses. If he cant dump that money for a disgruntled star to get us to thyeynext level....

Adios.

 

[CupWizier]

Please list the other ways to build/improve this roster?

If you are going to discount ones opinion and say its incorrect, please offer an alternative, or its hard ot take your post seriously.

I can only assume by your post that you agree there is no other way to improve the roster. Can you clarify your position?

 

[Hoopguru]

My point was that it's not just the 4- game series against the Pelicans it's more than that. There was some signs coming into it that things weren't right. Memphis was missing Conley, and actively trying to lose and the Blazers excuse is Dame wasn't playing, I get it, but also what does that say about the rest of the roster NO has put together?
Whether it's Stotts, Olshey, players whatever there appears to be some issues that need addressed, my guess is a new GM would put pressure on Stotts to perform or he wouldn't be here long so that the GM could bring in his own coach. The Blazers have skated by the last few years on the fact they've had to play Golden State in the Playoffs, so we've excused the bad record, but I think it's hard after this year to look at it and say well the only reason they struggled in the playoffs is because they were playing GS it looked like they weren't that close to taking the step to be competitive with the Pelicans.

I think coming off that long road trip and with Dame having a kid, and the injuries seemed to have hurt their continuity.
Not many teams ion the third year of a major overhaul even get in the playoffs let alone beat out 6/7 teams for third place.
Year 4 of their rebuild will be even more critical as I think Neil and Pauls plan was to have this team in WC contention after 5 years. They still can accomplish that if they come back really focussed and wanting to climb, climb, climb.

 

[blue9]

CJ and Lillard are the same height.

Only nominally, but not actually:

 

[CupWizier]

Only nominally, but not actually:

I believe it was around 3/4 inch difference in their actual combine measurements

 

[Orion Bailey]

I can only assume by your post that you agree there is no other way to improve the roster. Can you clarify your position?

Huh? ASSume?

You disagreed. Id like to hear your other options. I might agree, but I don't know without reading them.

 

[Hoopguru]

Only nominally, but not actually:

CJ listed 6'4
Dame 6'3

 

[CupWizier]

Huh? ASSume?

You disagreed. Id like to hear your other options. I might agree, but I don't know without reading them.

Well hoopsjock pretty much outlined other options that are available such as the 13mil TPE and there are players like Aminu, Harkless, Collins as well as a 24th pick and future picks. I'm not going to pretend to know what other teams are willing to trade and what it would take but it shows that we do have some assets that can help improve the roster.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Well hoopsjock pretty much outlined other options that are available such as the 13mil TPE and there are players like Aminu, Harkless, Collins as well as a 24th pick and future picks. I'm not going to pretend to know what other teams are willing to trade and what it would take but it shows that we do have some assets that can help improve the roster.

That's the key though is the overall consensus is those players and picks will not net an upgrade back.

But let me get this straight. You are able to tell someone else they are incorrect, but aren't willing to tell them why and instead lead them to some other poster and their opinions?

sigh......

 

[Orion Bailey]

Well hoopsjock pretty much outlined other options that are available such as the 13mil TPE and there are players like Aminu, Harkless, Collins as well as a 24th pick and future picks. I'm not going to pretend to know what other teams are willing to trade and what it would take but it shows that we do have some assets that can help improve the roster.

Lets take Aminu/Hark/Collins as well as our 24th pick. What do you think the best return would be that we could get? Then balance that return with the roster after the trade and evaluate if you actually think it is an upgrade or not.

I'M not trying to be argumentative, i'm genuinely curious. I don't think we can get an upgrade back that helps the overall roster. Yeah we could get back one player better than anyone on the list, but does it help the TEAM?

 

[jlprk]

It's been a couple of days. Better check the board to see who replaced Olshey.

WHAT THE HELL?

Maybe they couldn't wake him up to fire him. I hear he's a heavy sleeper at his desk.

 

[CupWizier]

That's the key though is the overall consensus is those players and picks will not net an upgrade back.

But let me get this straight. You are able to tell someone else they are incorrect, but aren't willing to tell them why and instead lead them to some other poster and their opinions?

sigh......

apparently this was all for argument. No thanks. Over all consensus from a forum is really irrelevant. Only thing that is relevant is what our GM and the other teams GM is willing to do. I didn't think Plumlee could bring Nurkic and a first round pick. I didn't think Outlaw and Blake could bring us Camby. Bottom line, deals are made all the time that nobody sees coming.

sigh....

 

[CupWizier]

Lets take Aminu/Hark/Collins as well as our 24th pick. What do you think the best return would be that we could get? Then balance that return with the roster after the trade and evaluate if you actually think it is an upgrade or not.

I'M not trying to be argumentative, i'm genuinely curious. I don't think we can get an upgrade back that helps the overall roster. Yeah we could get back one player better than anyone on the list, but does it help the TEAM?

Do you know what players other teams are willing to trade and what they are willing to accept in trade? My initial point, that for some reason you took offense to, is that we have other assets to acquire a player that could help the team.. If you disagree that's fine, but I already explained to you that I don't get into fantasy basketball. I'll give you one to play with. Harkless or Aminu and our pick (and possibly a future first round pick) for Tobias Harris. That would be an upgrade.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Quick question, can someone explain how exactly the trade exception works and how easy or hard it is for the Blazers to use it? I think I get it but I know Cup and Hoops know more than me about it.

If I remember right most “experts” when they traded Crabbe said it would be hard to use the exception they made last summer.
Not arguing just ignorant-