I'm So SICK & TIRED of Neil Olshey (1 Viewer)

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jlprk said:
He doesn't believe it will succeed. I'm saying that the "plan" doesn't even exist.

Even if it does exist, why should Olshey be given 5 (by himself, since Allen has never said this), instead of say 1-2 years. After that length of time (of ignoring every trade deadline), it's obvious what's up. He's a do-nothing GM stalling for extra years of high pay.
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I still stand by the point that neither of you are falling for his bullshit... that was my entire point.
 
jlprk said:
He doesn't believe it will succeed. I'm saying that the "plan" doesn't even exist.

Even if it does exist, why should Olshey be given 5 (by himself, since Allen has never said this), instead of say 1-2 years. After that length of time (of ignoring every trade deadline), it's obvious what's up. He's a do-nothing GM stalling for extra years of high pay.
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Ok... I keep saying I’m not a fan of NO but you’re kind of off base here. He hasn’t ignored every trade deadline... He traded for Afflalo, Nurkic, and got rid of Vonleh this year, all trade deadline deals, now whether you think they were good deals or not doesn’t matter, it goes against you saying he “does nothing”. 1-2 years is Not usually long enough to turn a team around maybe in fringe cases but your post seems aimed at me and That’s fine but I don’t believe you really have this right...
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Let me ask you guys this. Do you think Olshey is the man to lead the Blazers to a championship? (I realize we aren't PA so our opinion doesnt mean much).
Ultimately we can talk about what we think are mistakes or good moves, or their flexibility, or whatever but the bottom line is I don't believe Olshey's 5 year plan, and I don't believe in Olshey at this point. I realize it's my opinion and that the only one that matters is PA's. I understand some of you may believe in his plan, and that's fine too.
I have spelled out my reasons (whether people agree or not) as to why I don't think Olshey is the man for the job and the mistakes I believe he has made. I'm just curious as Blazer fans do you feel Olshey will be the GM that brings the Blazers back to the top? Isn't that what all of us (for the most part) want?

Also, I don't know if I believe Stotts is the coach for the job either but that's a different discussion thread.

Just curious if you're defending him because you believe he'll get us there and we just need patience, or if there is some other reason for defending him as staunchly as some of you seem to be?
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I would say that Olshey has done a solid job of keeping this team relevant and in the playoffs while other teams in similar or even better cases have struggled and often times not made the playoffs (Sacramento, TWolves, lakers and Denver just to name some). I would agree that he overpaid some contracts but we also don't know how much of that was at the direction of PA. If he was to go, I can accept that, but I can see him getting another year as well. Stotts deserves at least another year as well. The season ended poorly, but I'm also not convinced that the results will stay the same if we were to play the Pelicans again. If we did everything that at least one poster in this forum wanted then we would;

Hope that Paul Allen sells the team
Fire Olshey
Fire Stotts
Teade CJ
Trade Lillard
not re-sign Nurkic
not re-sign Davis

and we will be a better team.

Everyone has opinions, but many of the ideas can also make us a much worse team and in the lottery for several years.
 
Strenuus said:
I still stand by the point that neither of you are falling for his bullshit... that was my entire point.
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Tortured mildly questions Olshey, but he's granting him too much leeway. Tortured probably started out enthusiastic, but Cup has beaten him down with his high volume of posts.

TorturedBlazerFan said:
Ok... I keep saying I’m not a fan of NO but you’re kind of off base here. He hasn’t ignored every trade deadline... He traded for Afflalo, Nurkic, and got rid of Vonleh this year, all trade deadline deals, now whether you think they were good deals or not doesn’t matter, it goes against you saying he “does nothing”.
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2 of your 3 examples are Afflalo, when he gave away a #1 and Barton, and giving away Vonleh, so that he got nothing for Batum?

If you're supposedly an Olshey critic, I'd hate to argue with an Olshey defender!
 
CupWizier said:
I would say that Olshey has done a solid job of keeping this team relevant and in the playoffs while other teams in similar or even better cases have struggled and often times not made the playoffs (Sacramento, TWolves, lakers and Denver just to name some). I would agree that he overpaid some contracts but we also don't know how much of that was at the direction of PA. If he was to go, I can accept that, but I can see him getting another year as well. Stotts deserves at least another year as well. The season ended poorly, but I'm also not convinced that the results will stay the same if we were to play the Pelicans again. If we did everything that at least one poster in this forum wanted then we would;

Hope that Paul Allen sells the team
Fire Olshey
Fire Stotts
Teade CJ
Trade Lillard
not re-sign Nurkic
not re-sign Davis

and we will be a better team.

Everyone has opinions, but many of the ideas can also make us a much worse team and in the lottery for several years.
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That was my reaction after game 3 of the pelicans series, not even gonna try to defend it, I was really irked by it, but after some time I've back-tracked on that. Though one or two of those things might not be so bad....
 
jlprk said:
Tortured mildly questions Olshey, but he's granting him too much leeway. Tortured probably started out enthusiastic, but Cup has beaten him down with his high volume of posts.



2 of your 3 examples are Afflalo, when he gave away a #1 and Barton, and giving away Vonleh, so that he got nothing for Batum?

If you're supposedly an Olshey critic, I'd hate to argue with an Olshey defender!
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You said he didn't do any thing. My point was he did do something on the trade deadlines. I don't like NO you don't have to go back very many pages to figure that out. I'm not beaten down, I'm just level-headed about it. The fact is some of those moves are reasons why I don't think Olshey belongs, why I don't believe in his "plan" or him, why would I want to ignore them by saying he doesn't do anything. You can't just be so one-sided that you ignore the fact some of NO's moves have worked, some haven't. Whether NO "has" a plan or not I have no idea, PA obviously believes he does or he wouldn't still be working for him. You're assertions appear to be completely just you spouting your opinion. There are a ton of reasons to dislike Olshey, but lets try to stick to reality or at least what we know instead of wild swings about things we don't.

I don't like NO, but also I can't deny that Drafting Dame was a pretty good move, CJ was the best player in that draft or at least one of them. Trading Plumlee for Nurkic was good. Aminu is actually on a good contract for his production. I'm not ignoring the good NO has done, but I still have a lot of reasons why I don't trust or believe in NO's plan. All you've done is make a baseless claim that he literally doesn't have one, which you don't know that.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Lets take Aminu/Hark/Collins as well as our 24th pick. What do you think the best return would be that we could get? Then balance that return with the roster after the trade and evaluate if you actually think it is an upgrade or not.

I'M not trying to be argumentative, i'm genuinely curious. I don't think we can get an upgrade back that helps the overall roster. Yeah we could get back one player better than anyone on the list, but does it help the TEAM?
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Clips, Heat, Hornets, Bulls, Magic all have vets and all should be trying to rebuild. So, players should be available.

e.g. Orlando's Jonathon Simmons is 28. If they had any sense, they'd try to move him for picks/younger players. If we had any sense, we'd inquire.
 
hoopsjock said:
You know it's bad around here if @Orion Bailey is down on the team.
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The grass is sometimes appears greener on the other side....

If I were to go tell another fan base "hey, we have a PF who in the playoffs averaged over 17 and 9 with a steal and half a block, shot .519 from the field, and .433 from 3", they'd say "he's the answer to our prayers!" But we sigh, and say "It's only Aminu."
 
Wizard Mentor said:
The grass is sometimes appears greener on the other side....

If I were to go tell another fan base "hey, we have a PF who in the playoffs averaged over 17 and 9 with a steal and half a block, shot .519 from the field, and .433 from 3", they'd say "he's the answer to our prayers!" But we sigh, and say "It's only Aminu."
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My problem with Aminu is I believe he’s a natural 3 and gets stuck playing the 4 a lot, though that’s on Stotts not him.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
My problem with Aminu is I believe he’s a natural 3 and gets stuck playing the 4 a lot, though that’s on Stotts not him.
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I don't know if I agree with that as in my opinion a 3 needs to be able to put the ball on the floor and create to really be most effective. The game has shrunk and other than weight, Aminu is 6'9" and a long wing span so he can match up well with most 4's. It also allows him to switch on to the 3 when screened. I happen to think Aminu is best suited at the 4. He has some flaws to be a 3 but I think they are less than at the 3.
 
@CupWizier I can see the argument for certain match ups, but it seems he gets pushed around a lot by bigger 4’s. I think he would make a good 3 combined with Collins at the 4 because all of a sudden the Blazers have a ton of length and size, to compliment CJ and Dames lack of those things. I think Aminu is good especially when you take his contract into consideration, and his ball handling has gotten better.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I don't necessarily disagree, but you're proving my point about the grass being greener...
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I’m not saying move home to another team or anything just that I think he fits better as 3. Yes his stats were good, but the other side of that was they were basically begging him and the rest of the role guys to beat them, and we’ll yeah know...
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I’m not saying move home to another team or anything just that I think he fits better as 3. Yes his stats were good, but the other side of that was they were basically begging him and the rest of the role guys to beat them, and we’ll yeah know...
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The main weakness for Aminu at the 4 is he doesn't really post up which would help him be more effective. The weakness I see him as a 3 is that he isn't a good ball handler and just an average passer without much abilty to create for himself or others.. My preference would be to have a more complete player on the offensive side at the 3 that can dribble, pass and create his own shot. With Aminu at the 3 that leaves us only Lillard and McCollum that can do that and easier for teams to take either or both out of their game.
 
Aminu has a freakish wingspan...same as Nurk's....but he can keep his man in front of him...his lateral quickness is great. He's improved his shot and game every year he's been here...best player we had in the Pelicans series.
 
Easy to be the "best" player when the other team doesn't even bother guarding you.
And for as good as his defense was in that series, he regularly gets blown by when guarding on the perimeter. I have vivid memories of Danilo Gallinari playing in his first game post-injury and getting past Aminu for lay-ups as if Aminu had his feet glued to the ground.
The only reason Aminu is in the NBA is because of his wingspan.
 
riverman said:
Aminu has a freakish wingspan...same as Nurk's....but he can keep his man in front of him...his lateral quickness is great. He's improved his shot and game every year he's been here...best player we had in the Pelicans series.
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No doubt as he definitely stepped up his game in the playoffs. We could have used a few more.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I’m not saying move home to another team or anything just that I think he fits better as 3. Yes his stats were good, but the other side of that was they were basically begging him and the rest of the role guys to beat them, and we’ll yeah know...
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and yet "stats"-evaluation is precisely how board members (including me) decide whether we want to trade for a player.
 
blue9 said:
Easy to be the "best" player when the other team doesn't even bother guarding you.
And for as good as his defense was in that series, he regularly gets blown by when guarding on the perimeter. I have vivid memories of Danilo Gallinari playing in his first game post-injury and getting past Aminu for lay-ups as if Aminu had his feet glued to the ground.
The only reason Aminu is in the NBA is because of his wingspan.
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Which is the reason some argue Aminu can't play SF. He's a small ball backup PF who is only effective on offense if he's unguarded and camped in the corner. Trade him.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
and yet "stats"-evaluation is precisely how board members (including me) decide whether we want to trade for a player.
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Hopefully we use a larger sample size of stat evaluation than 4 games. When it comes to wanting to trade players or for players.
 
Lillard's combine measurements were 6' 1.75" w/o shoes.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Lillard's combine measurements were 6' 1.75" w/o shoes.
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Pretty much exactly my height when I was 18. Dame, leave the new baby and come party in Vegas (not with me) then we can meet and stand barefoot back to back and settle this matter.
 
Does anyone know if trades can happen now? Or do you have to wait til after season ends?
 
Any team that is out of the playoffs can technically trade again but it's usually a pretty common practice to wait until around the end of the Finals. However I think there was a big trade last year or the year before while the playoffs were still going so it can happen.
 
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