Imagine you are George Zimmerman

[PapaG]

I don't give a shit about the minute.

You are the one who claimed perfect knowledge of Zimmerman's actions - when in reality - you don't know shit.

You brought up the minute, and I'm going on the statements by Zimmerman and the witnesses in the police report. With that, I know fuck's more than you do, since you're just talking out of your ass.

You're being ridiculous. Come with some facts, hell, anything in the public record that says that the police just ignored this tragic shooting.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

hey you two, im sure you are telling these theories to all your black friends right? im sure sheryl swoopes would love to hear about it!

doubt it

 

[PapaG]

hey you two, im sure you are telling these theories to all your black friends right? im sure sheryl swoopes would love to hear about it!

doubt it

I'm posting about what is on the police report, and the idiot President's comments on a case that he obviously hadn't researched.

Your post isn't a surprise, though, because other than crying RACISM, nothing you can post changes the reality of the police report and witness testimony.

Actually, your idiotic post is exactly what Obama wanted the reaction to be, IMO. The actual known facts don't matter, and getting idiots to cry RACISM where it doesn't exist is the goal. There is racism in our country, but based on everything we know about Zimmerman, including supporting comments from his friends and family, he is not a racist, and this shooting had nothing to do with Zimmerman trying to shoot a guy because he was black.

 

[crandc]

Claiming someone is playing victim, Papa, is a great way to not respond. I said nothing about being a victim, although I do think Trayvon was. It's like saying "he/she is playing the race card!" or "he/she is being politically correct!" or "Barry Obama!" - discussion ends, because you have supposedly proven something.

not sure what...

Incidentally, even the police report said Trayvon's body was face down with arms beneath him. So how was he on top of Zimmerman beating his brains out?

Oh, but I guess asking that is playing victim or race card or Obama's plan.

 

[PapaG]

Claiming someone is playing victim, Papa, is a great way to not respond. I said nothing about being a victim, although I do think Trayvon was. It's like saying "he/she is playing the race card!" or "he/she is being politically correct!" or "Barry Obama!" - discussion ends, because you have supposedly proven something.

not sure what...

Incidentally, even the police report said Trayvon's body was face down with arms beneath him. So how was he on top of Zimmerman beating his brains out?

Oh, but I guess asking that is playing victim or race card or Obama's plan.

He was on top of Zimmerman, Zimmerman shoots him, and Martin falls face-first? Seems obvious to me.

Read up on the case, or stay ignorant like the majority of posters in this thread. Or are you saying the witnesses are lying as well?

 

[PapaG]

Hang him!!!

"With a single punch," the Orlando Sentinel, citing police sources, reported Monday, "Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer ... climbed on top of [him] and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered."

"That is the account Zimmerman gave police," the paper said, "and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say."

Doesn't matter. Zimmerman must fry, regardless of if Trayvon beat up a bus driver just a few weeks before jumping Zimmerman.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

[video=youtube;zrzMhU_4m-g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g[/video]

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Even Spike Lee's getting in on it.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...-spike-lee-re-tweets-incorrect-address-trayv/

Filmmaker Spike Lee made waves on Twitter last week when he re-tweeted to his 200,000 followers (h/t Twitchy) what was thought to be George Zimmerman's home address in Sanford, Florida. Mr. Zimmerman told Sanford police last month that he fatally shot 17 year old Trayvon Martin in self-defense.

However, the Edgewater Circle address Mr. Lee re-tweeted out is not part of the gated Retreat at Twin Lakes where the shooting took place and where Mr. Zimmerman lives. The area is not even a gated community.

In fact, I took a drive to that Edgewater Circle address that so many on Twitter re-tweeted and cursed, and I discovered through a neighbor, named Tim, who lives across the street from the address, that not only does George Zimmerman not live at the lakeside house but a woman by the name of Elaine does.

 

[RR7]

If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," Obama said, underscoring how the issue affected him on a personal, and not just a political or legal, level. "I think [Trayvon's parents] are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.

Obviously, this is a tragedy," he said. "I can only imagine what these parents are going through, and when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids, and I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this, and that everybody pulls together -- federal, state and local -- to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened

I think all of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how does something like this happen," said Obama. "And that means we examine the laws and the context for what happened, as well as the specifics of the incident.

Maybe you are going off of a different quote from him, if so, then disregard. But I don't see where the divisiveness is from Obama on this.
Oh, I see, Newt and others on the right called it as such. Carry on. He's tearing us apart!!!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

clearly, zimmerman is an idiot, and a pussy

"what happened?"

"it was self defense! he freaked out on me because i was running after him with a gun for no reason!"

"case closed"

and that is his actual statement? and we are to believe that because he said so? does he have any reason to embellish his story? think about it.

and while being so quick to defend this morons honor or whatever, you are making the same dumbfuck assumptions you are calling everybody else out on, typical

nobody saw who threw the first punch as far as i can tell, would it really surprise you that much if it came out zimmerman started the whole thing? or you just want to take him for his word...

 

[3RA1N1AC]

before jumping Zimmerman.

im sorry, where did these "facts" come from?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

clearly, zimmerman is an idiot, and a pussy

"what happened?"

"it was self defense! he freaked out on me because i was running after him with a gun for no reason!"

"case closed"

and that is his actual statement? and we are to believe that because he said so? does he have any reason to embellish his story? think about it.

and while being so quick to defend this morons honor or whatever, you are making the same dumbfuck assumptions you are calling everybody else out on, typical

nobody saw who threw the first punch as far as i can tell, would it really surprise you that much if it came out zimmerman started the whole thing? or you just want to take him for his word...

No. Not his statement. He had lost Martin, who then approached him and engaged him and attacked him.

All we are saying is there is nothing to indicate anything other than what Zimmerman said. If there is, let us know, because that's why there are no charges filed so far nor any arrest.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

LOOT WALGREENS FOR TREYVON

http://www.local10.com/news/Police-...tore/-/1717324/9719674/-/xctonpz/-/index.html

#nojusticenopeace

North Miami Beach police said surveillance video shows dozens of high school students demonstrating in the Trayvon Martin case Friday ransacking a Walgreens store.

The incident occurred during a walkout from North Miami Beach Senior High School in support of Martin, 17, who was fatally shot in Sanford. Protesters have been calling for the arrest of George Zimmerman, 28, who has not been charged because he claimed self-defense in the shooting, according to police.

Minutes after walking out of their school Friday, a large group of students walked through the streets of North Miami Beach. Along the way, they stopped at a Walgreens at 163rd Street and 15th Avenue at about 10:40 a.m.

Surveillance video shows dozens of teenagers running through the store. Police said about 80 to 100 students stormed in, ransacking the shelves, before the school's vice principal ordered everyone outside.

North Miami Beach police said students damaged items worth about $150. Local 10's John Turchin reported some merchandise also was stolen.

Some of the students dropped their IDs on the way out of the store, police said, so investigators have an idea of who was inside.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

He had lost Martin, who then approached him and engaged him and attacked him.

any witnesses to this? or just the "facts" from the one guy in the world with incentive to lie about it? this is the part that many people are curious about, not the whole race issue.

facts are he got out of his car with a gun and chased him down, this is proven. then the kid got shot after a scuffle. who started it in the first place is the part where many people arent going to just believe what the guy said, just because he said it.

"i was scared for my life!" stay in the fucking car then moron

 

[oldmangrouch]

People are basically advocating a witch hunt, but rather than "she's a witch" its become "he's a racist".

So...you are incensed that people are treating Zimmerman the way he treated Martin.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

any witnesses to this? or just the "facts" from the one guy in the world with incentive to lie about it? this is the part that many people are curious about, not the whole race issue.

facts are he got out of his car with a gun and chased him down, this is proven. then the kid got shot after a scuffle. who started it in the first place is the part where many people arent going to just believe what the guy said, just because he said it.

"i was scared for my life!" stay in the fucking car then moron

Again, there is no evidence to contradict his story. So what can you do?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So...you are incensed that people are treating Zimmerman the way he treated Martin.

How did he treat martin? He said he was acting suspiciously, which was his own interpretation.

 

[porkchopexpress]

No. Not his statement. He had lost Martin, who then approached him and engaged him and attacked him.

All we are saying is there is nothing to indicate anything other than what Zimmerman said. If there is, let us know, because that's why there are no charges filed so far nor any arrest.

Why would you trust his statement that he lost Martin over Trayvon's girlfriend saying that he said he lost him? Why would Trayvon state that he "lost him" and then attack Zimmerman? Does that make sense? I'm not saying that IS what happened, but why do you and PapaG keep stating that he was heading back to his car as a fact when there is a statement from Trayvon's girlfriend that does not mesh with that? Again, the only FACTS are that he was following Treyvon, that he called 911, that they told him not to keep following, that he did not follow their advice and that Treyvon was shot. We don't KNOW that he was headed back to his car and we do not KNOW that Treyvon attacked him.

 

[RR7]

How did he treat martin? He said he was acting suspiciously, which was his own interpretation.

Right, so his own interpretation, without any other details provided, was that he was suspicious. So if he can interpret that from....what exactly, we don't know, then others can interpret he's a racist, no? Theirown interpretation.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Why would you trust his statement that he lost Martin over Trayvon's girlfriend saying that he said he lost him? Why would Trayvon state that he "lost him" and then attack Zimmerman? Does that make sense? I'm not saying that IS what happened, but why do you and PapaG keep stating that he was heading back to his car as a fact when there is a statement from Trayvon's girlfriend that does not mesh with that? Again, the only FACTS are that he was following Treyvon, that he called 911, that they told him not to keep following, that he did not follow their advice and that Treyvon was shot. We don't KNOW that he was headed back to his car and we do not KNOW that Treyvon attacked him.

Zimmerman was a direct witness to the event in question. Sure, you can take into account the girlfriend's phone conversation I suppose but its far from enough evidence to charge Zimmerman with murder.

Martin's girlfriend did not observe, her account is one of hearsay.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Right, so his own interpretation, without any other details provided, was that he was suspicious. So if he can interpret that from....what exactly, we don't know, then others can interpret he's a racist, no? Theirown interpretation.

The police report hasn't been made public. There was a leak, we don't know the story.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Again, there is no evidence to contradict his story. So what can you do?

any murder that has ever happened without witnesses, is just "self defense! i swear it mr officer he was coming right at me!"

i think this idiot will see a little jail time, and should, even though i dont think he "hunted him down" or whatever, he was still grossly irresponsible and lead to the kids death

 

[3RA1N1AC]

The police report hasn't been made public. There was a leak, we don't know the story.

haha im sure they are still waiting for the right "witness" to come forward and save all their jobs

 

[Denny Crane]

I thought you were against infinite detention.

There are no charges and the police had nothing to charge him with since he apparently acted out of self-defense. You said it yourself, maybe he's innocent, maybe he's guilty. And you say that they should arrest him anyway? Ridiculous and a gross violation of his civil rights.

They had to let him go, they conducted their investigation and it wasn't "closed" by any means by the time the media started running with it.

They'll arrest you and charge you with manslaughter for shooting a burglar in your own home.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

They'll arrest you and charge you with manslaughter for shooting a burglar in your own home.

Not if you are being physically accosted and fear for your life. In many of these types of cases, the burglar is running away or not bashing your head into the ground. In Zimmerman's case, he claimed self defense. He had injuries consistent with his version of the incident.

 

[Masbee]

Hang him!!!



Doesn't matter. Zimmerman must fry, regardless of if Trayvon beat up a bus driver just a few weeks before jumping Zimmerman.

From your link:

One-minute gap
On Feb. 26, when Zimmerman first spotted Trayvon, he called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.
Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.
There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure what happened.

That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say. There have been no reports that a witness saw the initial punch Zimmerman told police about.

So despite the police leaking their report presumably to strengthen their case that they didn't whitewash the investigation, there is no information or evidence to substantiate YOUR CLAIM that Zimmerman was walking back to his car as he says, that he was jumped and attack first.

Nobody knows. Especially not you.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

"Nobody knows" = reasonable doubt.

 

[Masbee]

They'll arrest you and charge you with manslaughter for shooting a burglar in your own home.

Yep. And manslaughter was the recommendation by the lead investigator:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...orge-zimmerman-manslaughter/story?id=16011674

The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.
But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.

Serino filed an affidavit on Feb. 26, the night that Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman, that stated he was unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events.
Zimmerman, 28, claimed he shot Martin, 17, in self defense.
One complicating factor in the investigation was that the first detective to interview Zimmerman about the shooting was a narcotics officer rather than a homicide detective.
The State Attorney's office said only "no comment" when asked about the affidavit today.

Oh, snap.

Now the attorneys are going to be under some serious heat. Resignations to follow.

 

[Masbee]

"Nobody knows" = reasonable doubt.

No.

It means keep investigating. Don't cut it short. Don't do a quick and crappy job.

We already know they didn't canvass the neighborhood. They didn't get back to all the witnesses who tried to offer information. They didn't look at Trayvan's cell phone. They didn't re-interview Zimmerman. They didn't drug test Zimmerman. He wasn't interviewed by Homicide at first.

So many problems.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

resignations for what?

because the higher up stated there wasn't enough evidence?